What's the scare with essential oils?

[favor1]

I've been reading through the forums and it seems like many people have misgivings about using essential oils at any concentration. However, if you pull up the meaning of "natural flavors," which is the stuff you buy in TPA, Lorann, and other flavors, I find that natural flavors are a broad definition which includes many oil-based substances, including essential oils. Also, essential oils are used in much smaller quantities than carrier oils (vegetable oil) because they are more potent so it doesn't seem like there would be any problems with it building up in the lungs. So although people may have misgivings about vaping it, they may probably be already doing so if they buy flavors that contain "natural flavors." What do you guys think?

Natural Flavors

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavor

 

[salemgold]

I do not use flavoring that actually contain oil because our lungs are able to evaporate water based substances off but not oil based substances. I have had a very bad experience with a flavor that contained tangerine oil and it is my personal preference not to use any oils in my flavors. Oil just tends to sit there in the lungs.

Now, some flavors use the word oil in them but do not actually contain oil.

My and I hope that helped.

 

[favor1]

I do not use flavoring that actually contain oil because our lungs are able to evaporate water based substances off but not oil based substances. I have had a very bad experience with a flavor that contained tangerine oil and it is my personal preference not to use any oils in my flavors. Oil just tends to sit there in the lungs.

Now, some flavors use the word oil in them but do not actually contain oil.

My and I hope that helped.

I've actually read that tangerine was one of the essential oils that people were skeptical about even for aromatherapy. My deal is with the ones that are popular with aromatherapy, such as eucalyptus, which is commonly offered by flavor vendors, and similar ones, such as peppermint, spearmint, wintergreen, etc.

 

[Rocketman]

You could try and evaporate a small quantity to determine what is left behind (non-volatile residue).
A Pyrex container should be 'spotless' afterward.

 

[zoiDman]

I don’t use Oil Based Flavorings for the reasons salegold mentioned.

Some people have told me that certain oils have been used for years as cures for this or that. Not saying they haven’t. But they also haven’t been vaped for years 24-7 in e-Liquids.

Many people vape constantly from the time the wake to the time they go to sleep. I don’t believe that this amount of exposure to Oil Based Flavorings is good for your lungs.

But as Always, YMMV.

 

[salemgold]

I've actually read that tangerine was one of the essential oils that people were skeptical about even for aromatherapy. My deal is with the ones that are popular with aromatherapy, such as eucalyptus, which is commonly offered by flavor vendors, and similar ones, such as peppermint, spearmint, wintergreen, etc.

I have learned a lot about the respiratory system in general because I have parrots. They have very sensitive respiratory systems. I can not use any of the home type plug in fragrance dispensers and many other things that contain pine oil, etc. It could kill them but is not good for us to inhale either.

 

[favor1]

So if someone is to vape essential oils, they should do it at least sparingly, not as an ADV. I've added eucalyptus essential oil diluted with PGA to about .1% in total to some of my mixes and they taste great; maybe there are allergy issues? The thing about eucalyptus is that it works to free up phlegm in your lungs as well as the sinuses so it should be a great additive in theory. There are speculations that it might cause inflammation of the lungs, which seems very probably since it is a natural vasodilator, but according to other sources it is anti-inflammatory, so it is very confusing. However, since it is a vasodilator, it should boost absorbtion of nic as your body would absorb it more efficiently and you wouldn't have to use as much nic in mixes, resulting in increased TH in theory.

According to this source, the probable lethal dose is .1ml per kg, so a 70kg person would have to ingest about 7ml of eucalyptus to be poisoned so it isn't doesn't pose much of a threat at the miniscule concentrations used in E-Liquid.

Eucalyptus oil (PIM 031)

 

[zoiDman]

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According to this source, the probable lethal dose is .1ml per kg, so a 70kg person would have to ingest about 7ml of eucalyptus to be poisoned so it isn't doesn't pose much of a threat at the miniscule concentrations used in E-Liquid.

Eucalyptus oil (PIM 031)

Not Disputing the Numbers posted about what a Lethal Dosage is for an Adult.

But I do know this, there are many Undesirable Health Effects to can occur when you ingest a Chemical Compound Before you reach a Lethal Level. So Lethal Dosages are Not always the best mark as to whether a Substance is “Safe” of Not.

 

[zoiDman]

Also, From the Link that was posted...

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5. ROUTES OF ENTRY

5.1 Oral

Well absorped orally. Absorption expected to increase in
the presence of lipid substances such as milk.

5.2 Inhalation

Inhalation of the liquid or aerosol can be directly
toxic to the lungs. No data available on systemic absorption
via the lungs in humans.

5.3 Dermal

No data available

5.4 Eye

No data available

5.5 Parenteral

No data available

5.6 Others

No data available

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Would'nt Vaping be considered "Inhalation"?

I would also like to know more about what Eucalyptus Oil breaks down into at Elevated Tempertatures and what it is Known to react with like Esters and Alcohols.

 

[favor1]

Also, From the Link that was posted...

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5. ROUTES OF ENTRY

5.1 Oral

Well absorped orally. Absorption expected to increase in
the presence of lipid substances such as milk.

5.2 Inhalation

Inhalation of the liquid or aerosol can be directly
toxic to the lungs. No data available on systemic absorption
via the lungs in humans.

5.3 Dermal

No data available

5.4 Eye

No data available

5.5 Parenteral

No data available

5.6 Others

No data available

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Would'nt Vaping be considered "Inhalation"?

I would also like to know more about what Eucalyptus Oil breaks down into at Elevated Tempertatures and what it is Known to react with like Esters and Alcohols.

That's a fair point, but there is no data as of yet to make an accurate judgement; I bet it's kind of like a disclaimer just in case someone poisons themselves by inhaling an ungodly high amount of eucalyptus oil.

 

[zoiDman]

That's a fair point, but there is no data as of yet to make an accurate judgement; I bet it's kind of like a disclaimer just in case someone poisons themselves by inhaling an ungodly high amount of eucalyptus oil.

You do have to agree that to a Lay-Person, unfamiliar with Monoterpenes, that seeing the words "toxic to the lungs" in a description of a potential e-Liquid Flavoring could be somewhat Disquieting.

 

[favor1]

You do have to agree that to a Lay-Person, unfamiliar with Monoterpenes, that seeing the words "toxic to the lungs" in a description of a potential e-Liquid Flavoring could be somewhat Disquieting.

Exactly

The gist of what I'm saying is that natural flavors, in many cases, contain essential oils already; I wouldn't be surprised if VZ superconcentrated flavors were flavored with essential oils since they are only dissolved in alcohol and are "superconcentrated." I guess I'll have to check when they come in. I don't mean to be trying to promote eucalyptus or anything, but it seems like a generally safe additive imo since it is already used in aromatherapy (although the amount inhaled is probably a lot higher if something containing eucalyptus would be your ADV).

 

[zoiDman]

... I don't mean to be trying to promote eucalyptus or anything, but it seems like a generally safe additive imo since it is already used in aromatherapy (although the amount inhaled is probably a lot higher if something containing eucalyptus would be your ADV).

I subscribe to the belief that is a Reasonably Educated Adult wants to put something into their body, go for it.

The only thing I don't like seeing, and I see it here on the ECF a Lot, is the logic that if something is "Believed" to be "Safe" when used one way on an Occasional basis, that it Surely must be "Safe" to Vape Daily.

Here's an Example...

There was a Very Popular e-Liquid Flavor that came out about 18 months ago which contained High Amounts of Cinnamon Oil. I won't mention it's name because it is still sold as far as I know. Anyway, it was all the Rage for People wanting a "Face Melting" hit.

But then the reports started to come in of some Plastics Degrading when in contact with this e-Liquid. There were ripples of talk that maybe it wasn't as "Safe" as it seemed even though "Cinnamon" has been around since before Christ.

But, as with all things, the talk died away as time went by.

But it resurfaced about 6 months later when reports started to come in of people having Massive Tooth Decay. People posted that they had never had a Cavity in their life and at their last check up, they had Three or Four. People also reported that Dentists were confused how such Massive Tooth Decay could occur in between normal Checkups. One dentist told his patient "It was like you hadn't been to the dentist in Years. And I just say you 6 Months ago."

Someone started a Poll and guess what? Many of the people who reported Oral Problems were found to use Cinnamon Oil Flavored e-Liquids with High Regularity.

Now this is Far From Conclusive evidence that Cinnamon Oil Flavorings causes Tooth Decay. But for many, it was enough to Switch to another Flavor.

I don't know what the Long Term effects of Constantly Vaping Eucalyptus Oil or any "Essential Oils". I don't think anyone does. But I'll stand on the side and let the Others test out it's Toxicity and Long Term Effects.

 

[favor1]

Read about that one, pretty crazy. Definitely a good idea to really research stuff before selling to the public. Cinnamon oil is an aldehyde though, and from my limited chemistry knowledge, aldehydes are not things you want to play around with as they are highly reactive. I would never try to recommend anything with my experience, just wanted to see what the general opinion is. Sorry for playing devil's advocate

 

[zoiDman]

Read about that one, pretty crazy. Definitely a good idea to really research stuff before selling to the public. Cinnamon oil is an aldehyde though, and from my limited chemistry knowledge, aldehydes are not things you want to play around with as they are highly reactive. I would never try to recommend anything with my experience, just wanted to see what the general opinion is. Sorry for playing devil's advocate

But the Average person Doesn't know the Diffeence between an Isoprenoid and an Alkaloid. They just vape a something because it Tastes Good.

Like I said, I don't know if Eucalyptus Oil has any Long Term effects. I choose not to Vape it because I don't. It could be that Eucalyptus Cures Cancer or it might lead to Pulmonary Hemorrhaging. I just don't know.

And BTW - It's OK to Play the Devil's Advocate. I do it from Time to Time. LOL