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[Dixie1954]

Well I got my bottle of DIY WTA today ty jfresh. Have you been told that it seems stronger than just plain nic base before? I mixed it down with some pg/vg so I am trying it at 18mg It is thicker than usual for me because I did not have plain pg, but I do not mind.

 

[jfresh]

Hi Dixie,
Yes, It's generally well known that it's "stronger" than nic-only base. A good baseline would be about 5mg "stronger" in a subjective sense. For example, I vaped 30mg nic-only (in the distant past) and find 25mg WTA to be somewhat similar...also the throat hit of a VG only liquid measures up to a 70/30 PG/VG due to the minor alkaloids providing such a realistic "cigarette-like" hit.

Hope you find it as satisfying and pleasurable as I do!

 

[Dixie1954]

Hi Dixie,
Yes, It's generally well known that it's "stronger" than nic-only base. A good baseline would be about 5mg "stronger" in a subjective sense. For example, I vaped 30mg nic-only (in the distant past) and find 25mg WTA to be somewhat similar...also the throat hit of a VG only liquid measures up to a 70/30 PG/VG due to the minor alkaloids providing such a realistic "cigarette-like" hit.

Hope you find it as satisfying and pleasurable as I do!

It obviously is not well known or I would have known to mix it into thirds instead of halves and since I do not care for pepper it is not what I had hoped - maybe when I get some regular nic base next month to use this as a drop into my 1.5ml tanks I will appreciate it more

 

[jfresh]

No, perhaps I misspoke. Generally well known among regular WTA vapers, I should have said. WTA itself is not generally well known.
I'm vaping from the same batch and taste no "pepper" notes, so...not sure what you're talking about there. Could be different devices, I suppose. Or maybe the addition of PG...that seems more likely. I haven't vaped WTA with PG in over a year, so not sure how that affects the taste.

Sorry you don't find it to your liking.

 

[Dixie1954]

jfresh, I am a taster I can taste things that 75% of the population don't, I am only using about 25% pg so it is not that. Good try though, knowing how you feel about pg I am not surprised you blame it on the pg I bought the WTA to hopefully fill in till I could get more *normal* nic base next month. I was intrigued after reading the reviews on it so I am trying it. I still feel it may be ok at a drop per *normal* nic base to help curb my analog cravings so please calm down. There are a couple nic brands out there that even mixed with 60% pg have *no taste*. It is actually the nic that turns peppery for your information, believe me I do know of what I speak as I have thrown out over 3yrs worth of nic base figuring it out So,

 

[jfresh]

I'm calm. Chill, even.

 

[Dixie1954]

I have been playing catch up on this thread - interesting stuff Dvap once said, "...concentrated nicotine and concentrated WTA have distinctly different odors." So yes, the taste will be completely different as well. Nic will have that almost peppery-ness sensation on the palate, but not much of an actual taste, and WTA will have some taste and a little less of that peppery-ness (though it does have its own kind of sensation). I copied it this from page 16 and I have Dvaps blog saved - so I guess I am not the only 1 that tastes a peppery taste - thank goodness

 

[jfresh]

seems legit.

I may not taste it (as "peppery") simply because it's such a familiar and recurring taste. (I am a pretty heavy WTA vaper.) Like a person with cats can't smell their litter box (terrible comparison, but yeah...) But yes, WTA is going to have a taste, for sure. The notes I taste are slightly "hay-like" ...or "woody" ...along with a bit of sweetness (probably the VG)
Pretty sure there's very little oxidation of the nicotine, though...I chill it in an ice-water bath before removing from vacuum after evaporating the final solvent and mix with VG immediately after weighing it. It's exposed to air for less than a minute. Almost certainly unnecessary overkill. Plus, VG preserves compounds very well.

 

[Dixie1954]

As far as I know oxidation just makes it change color?? The nic bases I tried did not seem to change color in the heat of my wee sweatbox - they changed taste

 

[jfresh]

No, nicotine does change taste when oxidized. Color and taste. Not necessarily drastic change, it depends on how oxidized it is.

Here's a useful primer from an expert in the field. https://www.indypress.org/news-press/expert-talks-about-nicotine-and-e-liquid-facts.html

 

[jfresh]

Having a sale!

15% OFF All orders for three days, only! Through Oct. 15.

Use code: SUPER

 

[Dixie1954]

No, nicotine does change taste when oxidized. Color and taste. Not necessarily drastic change, it depends on how oxidized it is.

Here's a useful primer from an expert in the field. https://www.indypress.org/news-press/expert-talks-about-nicotine-and-e-liquid-facts.html

Since I do not plan on ever making my own nic or WTA I do not need a primer thank you for the thought though

 

[jfresh]

Since I do not plan on ever making my own nic or WTA I do not need a primer thank you for the thought though

I linked the article because it addressed your question. Or clarified your misconception. I got the impression you were interested in the subject.


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[pamdis]

Having a sale!

15% OFF All orders for three days, only! Through Oct. 15.

Use code: SUPER

Oh No! Tried to use the coupon and got this message "Warning: Coupon is either invalid, expired or reached it's usage limit!"

ETA: was finally able to get a note through on the website, (hate those human verification things), so hopefully you will see one of these before the sales expires tonight!

ETA: Kept trying several times during the day, and the code finally took. Thanks!

 

[Dixie1954]

Ok it says - When vapers discern a peppery taste to their vape juices, Le Houezec noted that it is due to flavor degradation. When nicotine oxidizes, only the taste will change, but not the effect. I tested plain nic bases not so much with flavors added, is this what you wanted me to see?

 

[sammy76]

Glad you got it to work Pam, I was trying to order some of their DIY 36mg Wed but the coupon wouldn't work. I figured maybe they meant Sun thru Tue.

 

[jfresh]

Hello all.

I should let you know that I'm running towards the long end of 7-12 days...Just in case you may be running low....to keep that timeframe in mind when planning your orders.


Thanks. Working on it getting back to the short end or better.

 

[jfresh]

Having a sale!

Use code: HOLIDAY for 15% off all orders through Nov. 19th!

 

[baphomet68]

when will the unflavored 36mg WTA be back in stock?

 

[Angel Eyes]

when will the unflavored 36mg WTA be back in stock?

I would also like to know this! - In the meantime, I would go ahead and order some 30ml bottles of the 25mg, because, if you do the math, unless you are ordering the giant 240ml size of 36mg, the cost is basically the same after dilution. Unless you vape the 36mg undiluted, and in that case, you are nuttier than I am! - lol