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xtar xp4 or nitecore i4???

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  1. vapo jam

    vapo jam Super Member ECF Veteran

    May 25, 2013
    county of orange, ca
    i want to upgrade my charger, and think i've narrowed it down to these two. anyone with any experience with both/either have any reasons to go with one over the other? is there something else i should consider instead?

    thanks in advance!
  2. stevegmu

    stevegmu Moved On ECF Veteran

    Pila 4 Stage Charger.
  3. vapo jam

    vapo jam Super Member ECF Veteran

    May 25, 2013
    county of orange, ca
    i have heard very good things about pila's charger. the only reason i didn't include it was because, as far as i can tell, they only have a 2-port charger. i tend to go through 2-3 18500/18650's or 3-5 18350's a day, so i'm heavily leaning towards 4+ bay chargers.
  4. stevegmu

    stevegmu Moved On ECF Veteran

  5. Bombies

    Bombies Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 27, 2013
    United States
    I have the Xtar VP1 and a Nitecore i4.
    I love the xtar.
  6. cvedrick

    cvedrick Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 13, 2013
    League City, Texas
    just got the nitecore 4 bay the other day, it seems to work very well. Looked into the pila, but was turned off at having to buy adapters to charge smaller batteries.
  7. vapo jam

    vapo jam Super Member ECF Veteran

    May 25, 2013
    county of orange, ca
    haha, i love it... three responders, and one vote each for three different chargers. this might be a more difficult choice than i'd originally thought :)
  8. Hdivr

    Hdivr Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 23, 2011
    Rolla MO
    I've heard good things about the xtar and the Nitecore...... I chose the nitecore i4 due to the price (Amazon w/ free shipping during a sale straight from Nitecore themselves).

    Much better than the single bay cheapie charger than took 8+ hours to recharge my 18650's - and only to 4.01 volts. My Nitecore is charging these year old batts to 4.19 spot on every time (so far)..... in 2 hours.
  9. cvedrick

    cvedrick Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 13, 2013
    League City, Texas
    Heard good thing about the xtars as well, but a bit skint for cash maybee in a few months, that said been perusing threads about charging safety and learned:

    Never ever leave your batteries charging unattended
    buy good batteries
    carry the batteries in a box or bag made for it, not loose in your pocket
    if using mech mods, get a couple of safety fuses

    happy vaping!
  10. vapo jam

    vapo jam Super Member ECF Veteran

    May 25, 2013
    county of orange, ca
    well, did a little more digging. just about everyone and their mother has a nitecore (and loves it). the xp4 seems to be a relatively new model, though, so i can't seem to find a whole lot of information on it, but of course xtar does have a very good reputation in general.

    so, to go with the old proven standard, or the new technology? ahhh, decisions, decisions...
  11. Baditude

    Baditude ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Apr 8, 2012
    Ridgeway, Ohio
    I'll add my perspective for what its worth. :)

    I've had a Pila since I got my first mod nearly 1 1/2 years ago. Loved it. You can tell by looking at it and holding it it is a quality item. It charged fast, too. When I purchased it I wanted the best, and at that time there was no other competition. I liked what I had read about the special algorhythms used potentially prolonging a quality batteries expected life. Well, I still have a couple of my original AW IMR 18650's in my rotation, nearly as good as new. 1 1/2 years of nearly every 4th day use and they still last me the entire day.

    Sad but true, one of the bays recently stopped charging. The light turns red, with or without a battery in it, it seems unresponsive. It's now stashed away only for emergency use.

    I needed another charger. Since I've accumulated many more mods, many more batteries of different sizes, I needed a multiple-bay charger.

    I got the Xtar WP6 II with 6 bays. It's a fine charger but I have some issues with it. My 18350 batteries keep popping out of the slots and refuse to stay in unless I lay something on top of them - that's a PITA. Also not a fan of flimsy springs in the slots - these springs makes inserting all sizes of batteries a PITA. Presently this charger only gets used 10% of the time, when I need an 18650 charged and my newer Intellicharger is full with other batteries.

    Because of my ongoing frustration with the spring-loaded bays of the above Xtar, I got a Nitecore Intellicharger i4. This has 4 bays and uses sliders, which I much prefer. I tend to use this charger 90% of the time. It see's 18650, 18490, and 18350 batteries nearly on a daily basis. I've had no issues with this charger and can highly recommend it. My daughter uses a Nitecore Intellicharger i2 to charge multiple 14500 batteries and she has not offered any issues with it.

    Concerning the Pila vs Xtar VP1: As much as I love the Pila as a top notch performer, it probably should be updated to continue to be competitive with the new hot shot chargers like the VP1. The LCD of the VP1 looks nice and looks to be a pratical improvement, not just a bell & whistle. The Pila is just going on reputation now and will likely lose business to the new Xtar if they don't upgrade it soon.

    Concerning the two chargers you asked about - Xtar XP4 vs Nitecore i4, there's a difference of almost $10 between the two from the RTD listing. I can't tell much difference in features. Battery chargers at RTD Vapor Both use the sliders in the bays that I prefer. The Xtar looks to only have the one indicator light for each bay to indicate charging status. The Nitecore uses a multiple LCD for each bay, it looks like a running board as a battery charges and then stays solid when finished, so you get more of an idea of the progress during charging. The Nitecore also indicates that it uses 4 completely independent microprocessors, I couldn't find that specification on the Xtar but it could very well have that too.

    Unless I'm missing something, I think since they appear almost identical feature-wise I'd go with the less expensive Nitecore with no real reason to pay nearly $10 more for the Xtar.
  12. vapo jam

    vapo jam Super Member ECF Veteran

    May 25, 2013
    county of orange, ca
    thanks baditude! i was looking at the charge indicators as well, and it does appear that the nitecore's is the better of the two.

    at this point, i think i'm leaning slightly towards the nitecore. i'm sure the xtar is an excellent charger, but it sounds like the nitecore is a proven design with everything i need at a better price. the extras on the xtar look good on paper (charge phones/tablets, repair over-discharged batts, selectable charging current), but in the end, i don't really think i need any of those features anyways.

    just out of curiosity, has anyone had a nitecore i4 die on them yet? based on what i've read, several people have had at least one bay in the pila charger fail within 1-2 years. i haven't heard of any problems with the xtar xp4, but it's so new that i'd hope there wouldn't be any yet. i also haven't heard of any problems with the nitecore (v2, i know there were some issues with the previous one), so i would like to know if anyone has had any issues with it.
  13. WattWick

    WattWick Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Feb 16, 2013
    Cold Norway
    In all respect, I don't believe in any "special algorithm". Either it use CC/CV or it doesn't. Can this possibly be a remnant of the days when li-ion chargers was something "new", and that this special algorithm is in fact standard issue CC/CV?

    I may be wrong. Worst that can happen is I learn something ;)
  14. Baditude

    Baditude ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Apr 8, 2012
    Ridgeway, Ohio

    I wouldn't let this story detract you from purchasing a Nitecore i4. The guy, a self-described journeyman electrician, was using a Trustfire battery in an Nitecore i2 charger. If you know anything about any of the "fire" brand batteries, they aren't the best in quality. The guy doesn't give many details in the story, but I believe there's at least a decent possibility that the precipitative cause of this incident had just as much to do with a low quality battery as it did with the charger.

    I myself have had a protected Trustfire hard short and vent violently in a mechanical mod when its power button got stuck. The protective circuits in the "fire" brand batteries leave much to be desired.

  15. bineva17

    bineva17 Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 29, 2012
    I have a nitcore I4, and what could I say more? It works just perfect. No need for a more expensive one.
  16. savagemann

    savagemann Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 21, 2013
    California East Bay
    Just last week, I picked up a nitecore i4 off amazon for 20 bux shipped.
    It will be here tomorrow.
    It seems well regarded in the flashlight and vaping community.
    It'll be a step up from the 2 dollar wall warts that came with my starter kit, and much more simple to use than my lipo hobby charger I use half the time.
  17. vapo jam

    vapo jam Super Member ECF Veteran

    May 25, 2013
    county of orange, ca
    guess i'm going with the nitecore. the cheapest i can find the xtar for is $35.99 on empiremods, so almost double the cheapest i've found for the nitecore ($19.25 on amazon). was hoping to bundle the charger with some batts on rtd, but oh well, i don't really need any more at the moment.

    i've got the charger sitting in my amazon cart, now off to find something worth $6 to qualify for free shipping...
  18. Alexander Mundy

    Alexander Mundy Ribbon Twister Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 1, 2013
    Springfield, MO
    Yep I also found the little springs a PITA.
    I have found a simple solution.
    I pulled upwards on the end of the springs bending them up at about a 15 degree angle.
    18350's & 18650's go in now without the spring ending up cockeyed or bowed over.
    They should make it with the spring loaded ends to avoid both the little springs and the spacers.

  19. savagemann

    savagemann Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 21, 2013
    California East Bay

    Since I needed to add 6 bux to my total as well, I figured it was a good opportunity to try out some butchers twine for wick material.
    185ft of "Wenada Butcher's Twine" brought my total up to a smooth $25.10 shipped.
    I should have it tomorrow or wed at the latest.
    The main reason I chose that one is that both items were "fulfilled by amazon" , which means they ship together from amazon warehouse, so I will get them at the same time.
  20. calisun

    calisun Full Member

    Aug 20, 2013
    I also received Nitecore I4 and like it so far. No issues!
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