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  1. EddardinWinter

    Bummed About Future Lack of Innovation

    Regulations that should/could/would have been easily able to provide some basic protections for the public and the industry. That's not what we got, is it? Hell, I could write a better set of rules on an index card. I would have done so for free! Let me ask you this, since you seem to favor...
  2. EddardinWinter

    Bummed About Future Lack of Innovation

    I would argue that the Chinese do import many foreign products, but I will concede that the restrictions on entry to that market are formidable. The Chinese can be cited as protectionist in many cases. They are notorious manipulators of markets. But they do permit their public more freedom...
  3. EddardinWinter

    Bummed About Future Lack of Innovation

    If only our government respected our citizens right to control and decide what is right to put in our own bodies....wouldn't that be something? If only it were a bit more restrained in its regulations imposed upon the public. Doing so only when a clear health risk has been determined and the...
  4. EddardinWinter

    Congratulations Robino1 - FOUR YEARS ON ECF!!

    Glad you were here so I could meet you, Ms Robin. You're definitely a heroine of mine. Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk
  5. EddardinWinter

    Bummed About Future Lack of Innovation

    I do agree with the sentiment that vaping gear most certainly will continue to evolve....in the more free market of the Chinese. Let that sink in a second. So that is good for mankind, and some US veteran vapers will carry on smuggling black market style and getting it done. That is a cause...
  6. EddardinWinter

    Bummed About Future Lack of Innovation

    And it seems I've hijacked the thread with a $15 word. However, the risk of sounding pretentious was outweighed by the exactness of conveying what was needed with some relish. It's a great word. I do love the English language. Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk
  7. EddardinWinter

    Bummed About Future Lack of Innovation

    You wanna fight the FDA? Don't do it on solely on vaping grounds. The public support is for them and the opposition (us) too weak. The issue is too complex for memes...so nobody is paying attention. The public is full of ignorance, so the FDA can act with virtual impunity. The vast majority...
  8. EddardinWinter

    FDA Business way down because of 8-8??

    This is absolutely true. Given the lack of fight the overwhelming majority of vendors have shown, most will fold long before this is even needed. What few holdouts there are will be cowed once an example or two is made. While this cut and run mentality is appalling to me, I do understand it...
  9. EddardinWinter

    FDA Public Health?

    The exquisite Ms Robin reeled me into that thread. She probably knew I'd be looking around while I was in the neighborhood...but perhaps not. Not surprisingly, I gravitated to these areas where this sort of thing is being discussed. I've already managed to break some rule by posting pictures...
  10. EddardinWinter

    FDA Who will survive the FDA Regs?

    There could be both a cultural bias AND collusion. Looking at how the regs are set up favors a collusion explanation in my mind. The preposterous choices of process, the inflexible requirements that EVERY juice combination requires separate application, etc. The regulations favor BT/BP with...
  11. EddardinWinter

    FDA Business way down because of 8-8??

    Regulators do not get to regulate public opinion. I welcome such a debate, and I think even they recognize their weakness there. They have manipulated the debate to avoid such comparisons. The problem is, the issue is so small, its not a part of any debate. If smoking jumps up, it almost has...
  12. EddardinWinter

    FDA Business way down because of 8-8??

    Wikileaks is waiting for a whistleblower. If one comes forward, I do not doubt it will be published. This is a distinct possibility, BTW. All it takes is one ethical person of concience who sees the regulations as corporate protections harming the public...or a large agency failing to control...
  13. EddardinWinter

    FDA Business way down because of 8-8??

    I'm hoping to see it....so maybe just a wee bit sooner. Here is one thing that might just help "the cause". Two of the four people I work with who once vaped have already gone back to smoking. I'm betting that this anecdotal evidence is a trend. IF we see a noteworthy uptick in smoking...
  14. EddardinWinter

    FDA Business way down because of 8-8??

    We are already seeing it, I fear. I'm becoming increasingly convinced that we got to witness and live the golden age of vaping 2012-2016, and it will never be quite the same. For that first part, I am quite grateful. Perhaps this unethical action by a corrupt regulatory agency will have...
  15. EddardinWinter

    FDA Who will survive the FDA Regs?

    Hiya DC. Very little will survive. I would submit to you that the intent of the regulation was so that the FDA's strategic partner, BT, would be able to make a successful submission, while the costs are prohibitive to nearly all other entities. The FDA has manipulated this situation quite...
  16. EddardinWinter

    FDA Business way down because of 8-8??

    I see your clarification, and acknowledge the point therein. In the case of smaller B&M's this is likely true. Yet, I don't think they will survive for two years. Nor do they. The impact on demand appears to be too great. The destruction of wealth and health by this unethical regulation...
  17. EddardinWinter

    FDA Public Health?

    Are you aware of the NSA's slogan "Collect it All"? I recommend a Google search of "NSA collect it all", lemme know after a bit of reading if you think they aren't tracking such stats. This is a well documented axiom they operate on, evidenced by NSA internal documents. Maybe, but the taxes...
  18. EddardinWinter

    FDA Business way down because of 8-8??

    This was exactly my point. The lack of new vapers is a killer. This is certainly true in some cases, but my local vapor chain continues to mix and distribute their own lines. Unfortunately, these days they are doing very little mixing and distributing, because the liquid just isn't moving...
  19. EddardinWinter

    FDA Business way down because of 8-8??

    Good to see you, zoiD. Much of what you say is true, and we cannot know causality just yet. However, I'm certain the "new vapers rate" has dropped dramatically. I've got friends in the business locally and they only see vets these days in stores. New vapers tend to be experimenting and buy...
  20. EddardinWinter

    FDA Business way down because of 8-8??

    The FDA should be disbanded, and its leaders charged with crimes against humanity. It is my hope that people will begin to see what is wrong with this agency, beyond the vaping issue. It is corrupt to its core and a corporate lackey masquerading (badly) as a public health agency. The fact that...
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