FDA Business way down because of 8-8??
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I see your clarification, and acknowledge the point therein. In the case of smaller B&M's this is likely true.
Yet, I don't think they will survive for two years. Nor do they. The impact on demand appears to be too great. The destruction of wealth and health by this unethical regulation will be profound.
That is what I am thinking, if B&M's stopped mixing that would be reflected in RTS sales to shops. I would think B&M's would see a drop in eliquid sales as more customers DIY. The whole market is readjusting to the regs and more adjusting will happen over 2 years time.
And by the end of the two years we will see even more and especially stark changes in the market...
yeah, that two years should have been in sarcastic air quotes. We need a win, either legislative or judicial, to inject some stability or we'll just continue to see a downward spiral for most in the industry.
I believe that even with a earth shattering win the industry will not be what we know today. Controls, taxes, etc. are coming no matter what...
I keep thinking that once the court cases begin, if an injunction is not issued, in December we will see a mass exodus from the market.
We are already seeing it, I fear.
I'm becoming increasingly convinced that we got to witness and live the golden age of vaping 2012-2016, and it will never be quite the same.
For that first part, I am quite grateful.
Perhaps this unethical action by a corrupt regulatory agency will have great unforseen effects to their power through public awareness one day.
Wouldn't that be something?
I'm hoping to see it....so maybe just a wee bit sooner.
Here is one thing that might just help "the cause". Two of the four people I work with who once vaped have already gone back to smoking. I'm betting that this anecdotal evidence is a trend.
IF we see a noteworthy uptick in smoking post-regulation, the regulations will be difficult to defend on public health grounds.
The fight is not just a legal one. The law is not the only issue, the times are like that.
In fact, the War of Perception that the FDA has engineered has been as damaging as the rules. Perception that vaping is now banned is also a factor in the marked decline.
Now that would be a stat that would be at the bottom of the priority list to report.
I used to do stats for the government across budgets and stuff and you would not believe how my stat analysis reports I would turn in that they would say could not be reported - they did not fit the agenda or were not about to report something that made them a liar.
Ha, I have even seen upper echelons types get awards for phony stats. The real stats would have gotten them fired...
We can hope for that at least. Somebody somewhere needs to spill the beans. Where's wiki leaks when you need them
I am thankful that I found vaping when I did. Honestly, if I were starting out today, with all of the propaganda coming from so many angles, it is unlikely that I would have given it a chance. In that regard, the "they" that are gunning for vaping, have already won the battle.
Casting vaping in the same light as tobacco is a nail in the coffin. Guilt by association. It's as much a moral attack as a legal regulatory one. It feels defeating just being legally associated with that which we feel we freed ourselves from. The devious intent of the deeming regs knows no bounds.
We can hope for that at least. Somebody somewhere needs to spill the beans. Where's wiki leaks when you need them
I am thankful that I found vaping when I did. Honestly, if I were starting out today, with all of the propaganda coming from so many angles, it is unlikely that I would have given it a chance. In that regard, the "they" that are gunning for vaping, have already won the battle.
Casting vaping in the same light as tobacco is a nail in the coffin. Guilt by association. It's as much a moral attack as a legal regulatory one. It feels defeating just being legally associated with that which we feel we freed ourselves from. The devious intent of the deeming regs knows no bounds.
Wikileaks is waiting for a whistleblower. If one comes forward, I do not doubt it will be published. This is a distinct possibility, BTW. All it takes is one ethical person of concience who sees the regulations as corporate protections harming the public...or a large agency failing to control their internal data properly. We see this all the time.
Your paragraph two strikes the heart of the matter. A large perception change will drive the issue as is needed. In many ways that is more practicable than the legal route.
That would be true if the regulators saw, or would be willing to admit, that vaping is a safer alternative.
They wouldn't even need to hide it, just spin it, "Once ENDS gained a foothold they contributed to an increase in tobacco use, reversing the historic decline that the FDA and public health have been working tirelessly to achieve, and proving the need for further regulations."
Regulators do not get to regulate public opinion. I welcome such a debate, and I think even they recognize their weakness there. They have manipulated the debate to avoid such comparisons.
The problem is, the issue is so small, its not a part of any debate. If smoking jumps up, it almost has to be addressed. I hope.
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Oh, I could definitely be wrong too. I'm not pessimistic about all of this though. I don't think that the FDA has the slightest chance in hell of stopping us. A lot of the smaller shops may see declining sales, and many of them will close unfortunately, but I suspect there will still be thousands of vape shops across the country 10 years from now.
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