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I am, and still mostly barely-or-not inhaling on a mouth to nosey mosey.
something new . . . .. well . . . . I stopped adding flavors.
meaning to say that I've gone flavorless, unflavored.
this is kin'a silly; but I ran across that article about softening/damaging tooth enamel right in the midst of getting frustrated that my dentist has been telling me to "brush more like this" and "brush more like that" because I'm getting the beginnings of a number of cavities along the gumline. Not frustrated that he's telling me that. Rather, frustrated because it's another thing to deal with and I couldn't figure out what to do about it (good dental hygiene abounds with this kid).
So, anyway, I'm not just instantly swayed by the article without any other info on the matter. BUT, flavors are optional (although, . . .damn it . . . fun and satisfying) and teeth are nice to keep when that's an option.
the article was saying that VG seems harmless enough; but when flavorings are added into the mix, things spike.
"However, studies have shown that the combination of VG with flavorings produces a fourfold increase in microbial adhesion to enamel and a twofold increase in biofilm formation. (6) In addition, a 27% decrease in enamel hardness was demonstrated when flavorings were added to e-liquid as compared to unflavored controls. The viscosity of the e-liquid also allowed Streptococcus mutans to adhere to pits and fissures. In other words, e-liquid allows more cavity-causing bacteria to stick to a softer tooth and can lead to rampant decay."
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something new . . . .. well . . . . I stopped adding flavors.
meaning to say that I've gone flavorless, unflavored.
this is kin'a silly; but I ran across that article about softening/damaging tooth enamel right in the midst of getting frustrated that my dentist has been telling me to "brush more like this" and "brush more like that" because I'm getting the beginnings of a number of cavities along the gumline. Not frustrated that he's telling me that. Rather, frustrated because it's another thing to deal with and I couldn't figure out what to do about it (good dental hygiene abounds with this kid).
So, anyway, I'm not just instantly swayed by the article without any other info on the matter. BUT, flavors are optional (although, . . .damn it . . . fun and satisfying) and teeth are nice to keep when that's an option.
the article was saying that VG seems harmless enough; but when flavorings are added into the mix, things spike.
"However, studies have shown that the combination of VG with flavorings produces a fourfold increase in microbial adhesion to enamel and a twofold increase in biofilm formation. (6) In addition, a 27% decrease in enamel hardness was demonstrated when flavorings were added to e-liquid as compared to unflavored controls. The viscosity of the e-liquid also allowed Streptococcus mutans to adhere to pits and fissures. In other words, e-liquid allows more cavity-causing bacteria to stick to a softer tooth and can lead to rampant decay."
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Man flavorless is the thing. I've been telling u that for a while (maybe in my mind?). Good info bee.I am, and still mostly barely-or-not inhaling on a mouth to nosey mosey.
something new . . . .. well . . . . I stopped adding flavors.
meaning to say that I've gone flavorless, unflavored.
this is kin'a silly; but I ran across that article about softening/damaging tooth enamel right in the midst of getting frustrated that my dentist has been telling me to "brush more like this" and "brush more like that" because I'm getting the beginnings of a number of cavities along the gumline. Not frustrated that he's telling me that. Rather, frustrated because it's another thing to deal with and I couldn't figure out what to do about it (good dental hygiene abounds with this kid).
So, anyway, I'm not just instantly swayed by the article without any other info on the matter. BUT, flavors are optional (although, . . .damn it . . . fun and satisfying) and teeth are nice to keep when that's an option.
the article was saying that VG seems harmless enough; but when flavorings are added into the mix, things spike.
"However, studies have shown that the combination of VG with flavorings produces a fourfold increase in microbial adhesion to enamel and a twofold increase in biofilm formation. (6) In addition, a 27% decrease in enamel hardness was demonstrated when flavorings were added to e-liquid as compared to unflavored controls. The viscosity of the e-liquid also allowed Streptococcus mutans to adhere to pits and fissures. In other words, e-liquid allows more cavity-causing bacteria to stick to a softer tooth and can lead to rampant decay."
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Morning everyone
Funny, I just posted in the orion thread about concerns with salts and tooth enamel. I come over here and our Bee man is talking about the same thing!
because acidic?
it had crossed my mind; but then I realized that this thing with my dentist has been playing out over a year, year n' a half, and that salts are much more recent for me.
then I read that bit about the flavors, and those have been active in my face for six years now.
what are your thoughts or findings on salts, TwistedScottle?
. . . just went and read your post. You're wondering about acids and enamel. A valid concern, it seems.
Nothing much. Just been able to ponder, mostly. I've asked a couple different dentists and have only been able to relate the acids to candy, (their nemesis, or provider - depending how you'd like to see it) and then apply that thought to acids in vape. They are completely unaware of vaping related questions or where even to find the info. I also asked my eye doctor about relations with vision and vaping. He was at least willing to look into his special vault of information called the internet to track down some vanilla answer for me. I haven't even thought of the flavorings. Perhaps I should explore the whole unflavored thing everyone keeps talking about. You mentioned an article of acids and enamel, you still got a link?
Another thing I've been wondering is if the acid is constant. You can measure the PH of eliquid, but what about the vapors? When you atomize the juice, does it change the PH?
I think most salts aim for pH neutral. So maybe less damaging than freebase?
Chewing gum (sugar free) will neutralize your mouth by producing saliva.
Chewing gum (sugar free) will neutralize your mouth by producing saliva.
From my understanding, the more nic you add, the more alkaline the solution and that is why they add the acid for salts to make it taste better. Are you saying that even though acids are used, its only used to bring the ph back to 7 and not really dip down into the acidic side of the scale?
Yep
Some don't go as far as 7. Like the NN hit. Which is just part salt part freebase with pH in between somewhere.
To my knowledge anyway
if you mean to say "flavorings and enamel", the link is cleverly tucked into the post I mentioned it in. :>P
@The.Drifter Hey buddy! How ya been? Used my Nuppin and super awesome drifter cap the other day. Still love that thing so much.
yada yada - but no baseline of adhesion. 4x not much is err, not much more! Microbial adhesion... i guess they are in my car now...and i sold the last one for that reason.
As someone used to looking up dentist's noses in despair my non-medical opinion is that the extra tooth decay caused by using the sweet VG c.f. the PG and adding stevia just for fun is such a nonsense to worry about that it's laughable.
Anyone remember a day when we smoked and when vaping was 95% less harmful?
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