I was actually going to suggest ply; but it can be pretty potato chipy (warpy).
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i'm a little worried about the stick down
using wood glue, which only really a bond when dry. Wet it is just... wet
canvas is thick, working very wet warps it a bit in the process
have double sealed ply
if i can manage in my space... glue both surfaces. Massage flat from center out
i don't have a great supply of weighting options. And am also considering (instead) wetting top with 50:50 glue/water since wet canvas plays nice (especially pure linen canvas)
I've never done anything like that: but . . .
My approach would be to let the wetness work for me. I think your idea of thinning the glue a bit with water is a good one. If you can be patient, it will dry.
My wood glue says (from memory, so, grain of salt) not to thin more than, like, 10% water; and I think you'll be surprised to find that that really thins it out a lot. (so start with 5%, and see how runny that makes it)
Anyway, I would just get an even layer of glue on the ply, get the mating pieces together as soon as possible (canvas and glued plywood) and gently sweep the whole surface down working out from center. And then, rather than massaging it (working against all the married glue and canvas between your bubble and the edge, and causing distortion of the canvas), pull up the canvas beyond the edge of the plywood (like peeking under the tent) -just a little- and sweep out with your other hand as you let it back down . . .. is what I would find myself trying.
I don't think you'll need to hold it down. I think the wetness and the glue will hold it down all by itself (once the glue has penetrated the canvase fibers a bit).
I don't know how well wood glue will stick to "double sealed plywood". Don't know what it's sealed with; and, generally speaking, wood glue needs to penetrate to grab.
Why aren't you stretching and stapling like all the bohemian kids like to do?
My approach would be to let the wetness work for me. I think your idea of thinning the glue a bit with water is a good one. If you can be patient, it will dry.
My wood glue says (from memory, so, grain of salt) not to thin more than, like, 10% water; and I think you'll be surprised to find that that really thins it out a lot. (so start with 5%, and see how runny that makes it)
Anyway, I would just get an even layer of glue on the ply, get the mating pieces together as soon as possible (canvas and glued plywood) and gently sweep the whole surface down working out from center. And then, rather than massaging it (working against all the married glue and canvas between your bubble and the edge, and causing distortion of the canvas), pull up the canvas beyond the edge of the plywood (like peeking under the tent) -just a little- and sweep out with your other hand as you let it back down . . .. is what I would find myself trying.
I don't think you'll need to hold it down. I think the wetness and the glue will hold it down all by itself (once the glue has penetrated the canvase fibers a bit).
I don't know how well wood glue will stick to "double sealed plywood". Don't know what it's sealed with; and, generally speaking, wood glue needs to penetrate to grab.
Why aren't you stretching and stapling like all the bohemian kids like to do?
Triptych
So, people tend to think "One for the bedroom, one for the lounge, and one for the kitchen"
Even if you make them sign a contract to keep the three together, always
Hence frame and mat board
I guess I could have framed a single stretcher with mat board and perspex. But, I didn't
I used 1 part water to 3 parts glue, or there abouts (plasters dilute it to 1 glue 10 water) and painted the back of canvas
Pure glue on wood
Then lots of awkward pfaffing ensued. But it worked
18 minute snooze fest
ECF is being moody
So, no pics
But, process went ok. The canvas has a slight ripple in places. Which, rather than try to hide, I will work some thin coats. Then sand it. So the peaks scrape back to underlayers, and valleys stay more coated. Hopefully it looks deliberate and OK
I sealed everything except the circles, first with dilute wood glue. Then shellac
Circles want more liquid staining
And this morning. Silly little process of diluting a mix of metallic (silver) acrylic with a blue acrylic (dark, transparent would be better. But i don't have any) and pouring that mix into wet shellac
The two pigments separate. I don't actually understand quantum physics (which apparently means that i understand it pefectly) but it sort of reminds me of colliding particles and making new particles
Sort of
Or something
That's what she said
So, no pics
But, process went ok. The canvas has a slight ripple in places. Which, rather than try to hide, I will work some thin coats. Then sand it. So the peaks scrape back to underlayers, and valleys stay more coated. Hopefully it looks deliberate and OK
I sealed everything except the circles, first with dilute wood glue. Then shellac
Circles want more liquid staining
And this morning. Silly little process of diluting a mix of metallic (silver) acrylic with a blue acrylic (dark, transparent would be better. But i don't have any) and pouring that mix into wet shellac
The two pigments separate. I don't actually understand quantum physics (which apparently means that i understand it pefectly) but it sort of reminds me of colliding particles and making new particles
Sort of
Or something
That's what she said
Nine in the morning
The man drops his kids off at school
And he's thinking of you
Like all of us do
Sends his assistant for coffee in the afternoon
Around 1:32
Like he knows what to do
Bee (Bee)
Bee lives in daydreams with me (Bee)
Bee's the first one that I see
And I don't know why
I don't know who Bee is (Bee, Bee)
He takes a boat out
Imagines just sailing away (away, away)
And not telling his mates (not telling his mates)
He wouldn't know what to say (wouldn't know what to say, to say)
Bee (Bee)
Bee lives in daydreams with me (Bee)
Bee's the first one that I see
And I don't know why
I don't know who Bee is (Bee)
Bee (Bee)
Bee's the first one that I see (Bee)
Bee lives in daydreams with me
And I don't know why
I don't know where Bee is (Bee, Bee)
Lives for the memory
A woman who's just in his head (just in his head)
And Bee sleeps in his bed (his bed)
While he plays pretend (pretend)
So pretend (pretend)
Bee (Bee)
Bee lives in daydreams with me (Bee)
Bee's the first one that I see
And I don't know why
I don't know who Bee is (Bee, Bee)
Bee (Bee)
Bee's the first one that I see (Bee)
Bee lives in daydreams with me
And I don't know why
I don't know where Bee is (Bee, Bee)
The man drops his kids off at school
And he's thinking of you
Like all of us do
Sends his assistant for coffee in the afternoon
Around 1:32
Like he knows what to do
Bee (Bee)
Bee lives in daydreams with me (Bee)
Bee's the first one that I see
And I don't know why
I don't know who Bee is (Bee, Bee)
He takes a boat out
Imagines just sailing away (away, away)
And not telling his mates (not telling his mates)
He wouldn't know what to say (wouldn't know what to say, to say)
Bee (Bee)
Bee lives in daydreams with me (Bee)
Bee's the first one that I see
And I don't know why
I don't know who Bee is (Bee)
Bee (Bee)
Bee's the first one that I see (Bee)
Bee lives in daydreams with me
And I don't know why
I don't know where Bee is (Bee, Bee)
Lives for the memory
A woman who's just in his head (just in his head)
And Bee sleeps in his bed (his bed)
While he plays pretend (pretend)
So pretend (pretend)
Bee (Bee)
Bee lives in daydreams with me (Bee)
Bee's the first one that I see
And I don't know why
I don't know who Bee is (Bee, Bee)
Bee (Bee)
Bee's the first one that I see (Bee)
Bee lives in daydreams with me
And I don't know why
I don't know where Bee is (Bee, Bee)
I just used it as an excuse to stay away for a couple days and put behind us the fact that I gave you terrible advice (because, stupid me, I'd kin'a forgotten that you'd started painting before mounting the canvas . . . and that you were working with a crispy, crinkledy topographical map of whatever was underneath it at the time 
)
it's looking good tho! I'm excited to see progress pics and final.
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hopefully this worksit's looking good tho! I'm excited to see progress pics and final.
this is yesterday
so, these layers will largely be oiled with glazey type blacks and dark colours
then sanded, to excavate these layers back
hopefully
i'll take a reference pic from lounge room pic in a minute for similar process
Attachments
Also. DogMum is panicking that I will destroy the garage and get us kicked out
So black triptych will be the last
And I might just try to sell the $200 of Belgian linen that was there for another project
And I need a different hobby. Something with little goals to work towards. But nothing heavy or too involved
So black triptych will be the last
And I might just try to sell the $200 of Belgian linen that was there for another project
And I need a different hobby. Something with little goals to work towards. But nothing heavy or too involved
hard to imagine that you could just quit painting.
or that you could replace it easily with another "hobby".
So, this smaller one ↑, . . .. it's a little too abstract (?) for my brain. nothing for me (or my imagination) to latch on to.
But I'm curious what it means to you, or what it conveys.
or that you could replace it easily with another "hobby".
So, this smaller one ↑, . . .. it's a little too abstract (?) for my brain. nothing for me (or my imagination) to latch on to.
But I'm curious what it means to you, or what it conveys.
@pdib
I guess like modders mod
Painter's painting
This style of art came from your area. Washington School was influenced by New York School
It's all in the application
Until 1951. It was considered bad practice not to prime and seal
Then, some artists started deliberately not Sealing. And working with diluted paint. Like a watercolour but on canvas
So if you think about what the colour seeping into and being one with the surface means. As opposed to the traditional sealed surface, then various degrees of thick paint hiding the weave of the canvas... then you are on the right track
Helen Frankenthaler is godmother. Morris Louis refined it. Some others went off on tangents, like Motherwell
The small one was just play since I had a stretcher and floating frame here
I guess like modders mod
Painter's painting
This style of art came from your area. Washington School was influenced by New York School
It's all in the application
Until 1951. It was considered bad practice not to prime and seal
Then, some artists started deliberately not Sealing. And working with diluted paint. Like a watercolour but on canvas
So if you think about what the colour seeping into and being one with the surface means. As opposed to the traditional sealed surface, then various degrees of thick paint hiding the weave of the canvas... then you are on the right track
Helen Frankenthaler is godmother. Morris Louis refined it. Some others went off on tangents, like Motherwell
The small one was just play since I had a stretcher and floating frame here
White chalk lines should be pretty close to actual placement. The redrawing and roughing just adds dynamism
Interesting, thank you.
I never studied art.
Did a bit of reading about it just now (not art; but Washington School), and this'd be the other Washington (D.C.). . . . um . . . rather: this'd be this Washington but that'd be the other Washington, the other Washington being "this"-er than this . . . this "other Washington".
. . . I mean to say: where I live is, "oh, that other Washington"; whereas Washington D.C. is kin'a *the* Washington.
Aha! so, you too, hey? (can't parse it . .. . not getting the deeper meaning)
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