1 battery or 2 batteries?
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If thats the case, why would they even engineer devices capable of such possibility? I'm specifically referring to an Innokin SVD that I have on order, which can admit two smaller batteries, or the 18650, which is what I plan to use solo. But if I wanted the option if the 2 smaller batteries, youre telling me the risk of boom boom is too great?
I know that using the search feature here can yield so many results that it is hard to sift through them all. Rolygate is a resident expert and dropped us a very nice post all about batteries awhile back that is totally worth the read. It may help to answer some of your questions. Check it out: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/129569-rechargeable-batteries.html
Scare posts like this are helpful to no one, they are just ignorant. The likelihood of a major battery malfunction like this is about .00001%. So if you are going to caution someone, do it intelligently not like a teenager.
Stacked batteries have been used for years without a problem. If your APV has short circuit protect as all the newer one do, there is virtually no concerns in using stacked batteries. If it doesn't have short circuit protection, then stick with a single battery. Although even a single battery can malfunction but is extremely rare.
You take more risk by riding in a car in comparison to using either battery configuation.
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+1 for Rolygates post, its a lengthy read but contains alot of useful information.
I hate to disagree with you here, but there are many noobs to vaping who are confronted with choices about high voltage, sub-ohm, wrapping their own coils, stacking or not stacking batteries, etc. Most are looking for the most powerful vaping experience they can find to help them shed another old habit. Many often want to do it as cheaply as possible. While the potential for explosions may be low, those who have experienced it might say that a little prudence could have saved large chunks of their face. Putting a potential bomb up to your face holds risks whether slight or not, and a little education goes a long way.
You need to back up your statements with "confirmed facts" with specifics as to how many vapers have had facial injuries from exploding batteries. You won't, because you can't. There has only been ONE reported issue of this nature reported in the last 5 years that I am aware of and that was from some fool who made his own cheap box mod and used non rechargiable batteries.
If there had been even 5 similar issues virtually anywhere in the world in the last 5 years, it would have been reported around the globe by those aligned against vaping. And their are millions of vapers world wide.
It's common sense to provide factual information and explain the level of risk (if any) accurately so a person can make an "informed" decision instead of telling them their face will be blown off if they stack batteries - that is irresponsible.
So scare posts based on no facts and the smallest of risks do nothing but needlessly scare people.
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And as far as stacked battery incidents-they are also so rare that there has been only ONE reported (that I know of) and that guy was using camera batteries-intended for use in a camera.
Well, I'm not going to back up anything because I don't have the time to do someone else's research for them today. The OP is doing the right thing by asking, and whether or not any of us posting on this thread have personally experienced an explosion (I have not), he does deserve to know that there are inherent risks. What he chooses to do with that info is his own decision. It seems like the more useful advice is to know the risks instead of someone saying that they shouldn't worry about it, it's fear-mongering, etc.
I definitely have heard of other cases of batteries going thermal and that's partly why there are now standards (at least here on ECF) about how mods should be constructed. I even read HUGE argumentative posts here about them. Not everyone has been hurt in these events. If one chooses not to do their research and stacks counterfeit batteries (that they thought had protection), otherwise uses/charges them improperly, or does anything else risky, they are not only putting themselves at potential risk, but they are also risking the reputation of vaping in general. We definitely don't need that in the mainstream because it DOES become fear-mongering in the media. I don't want the entire vaping community to suffer because of ignorance. You are correct in saying that the rate of events has been low. Thank God. I truly believe that the few that have occurred have contributed to the safety that most of us do experience.
I definitely have heard of other cases of batteries going thermal and that's partly why there are now standards (at least here on ECF) about how mods should be constructed. I even read HUGE argumentative posts here about them. Not everyone has been hurt in these events. If one chooses not to do their research and stacks counterfeit batteries (that they thought had protection), otherwise uses/charges them improperly, or does anything else risky, they are not only putting themselves at potential risk, but they are also risking the reputation of vaping in general. We definitely don't need that in the mainstream because it DOES become fear-mongering in the media. I don't want the entire vaping community to suffer because of ignorance. You are correct in saying that the rate of events has been low. Thank God. I truly believe that the few that have occurred have contributed to the safety that most of us do experience.
No one stated that the question wasn't a valid one. Telling someone their face will blown off if they stack batteries is ignorant at best.
Explaining how to use stacked batteries or a single battery to reduce any risk to virtually non-exsistent is the best way to answer the question and help the new person. That is not what you or the other poster did.
OK, I'm not sure why this is even an argument, it seems rather pointless to go on. OP, take the risk seriously, with a grain of salt, or however you choose to. Sorry if anyone feels attacked by what I said, maybe I phrased things in an aggressive way. There are clearly opinions on both sides of the matter which are always good to see regardless of the topic. One should interpret it all according to their own style.
In variable wattage APVs like the VAMO there's a couple reasons to use stacked 18350s instead of one 18650. Either way, I suggest using a recommended battery bought from a reliable vendor. IMR batteries from Efest and AW are great. There are other options like Panasonic, Sony, ect. but be sure you are getting the right kind. When you stack batteries, you "marry" them, meaning from day one you only use them together stacked and charge them at the same time. This ensures the capacity and voltage output remains close.
The one big advantage of stacked batts in a VAMO is if you want to go above 11 watts. One 3.7 volt battery in a variable power device can be bumped up only so much. Around 11 watts is the highest I've gotten on my VAMO. Stacking the batts doubles the available volt output, so the VAMO can deliver up to the 15 watts that it'll let you go. Battery time before charging is also increased with stacking. Since the device bucks down the power instead of boosting like it has to do with one batt, less power is used. Also, stacking the batts allows the use of the VAMO down to when hit hits 6.3 volts total with no drop in performance. With a single batt, I notice a drop in power around 3.6 volts (still would be at 7.2 with stacked) so I can go longer before changing batts.
Personally, I prefer using a single 18650 in my VAMO, and recently un-married my batts used for stacking to use in my 18350 epipe since I no longer need to use my VAMO for 11+ watt vaping.
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Good explanation on the advantages of stacked batteries in APV's like the Vamo.
You use stacked batts if you cant get enough power from one. Plain and simple.
also, be careful
also, be careful
wv2win gets the coveted title of Extreme Potentate Poobah muckety-muck Vapenerd! Coincidentally, I live in wheeling. Where in WV are you? Thanks for the info. Im not sure if ill need or desire higher wattages such as you describe using. I have a little bit of learning curve to ascend when this device of mine comes in the mail. As for those warnings about boom boom, I value both sides of the argument, even though it was gettin' a little cagey in here for a minute. Look at my avatar though, fellas. Ive survived a house fire. "Lawd Jesus its a far!"... I think a battery splosion might just be next on mah bucket list. I smell a barbacue.
A little off topic but just my 2 cents on the whole battery safety issue. I read a lot of group pages over on Facebook daily. I've come the the logical conclusion from ALL the posts read over the last few months that it's just a matter of time before there's a serious accident involving a modded APV.
Some young kid that has taken the counsel of their FB friends as the only research will push the limits of the parts they've assembled in the quest for "massive clouds" beyond their capability.
There's just so much misinformation and so much trust in "my friend says" and too many IDGAF attitudes to avoid disaster. JMO
Some young kid that has taken the counsel of their FB friends as the only research will push the limits of the parts they've assembled in the quest for "massive clouds" beyond their capability.
There's just so much misinformation and so much trust in "my friend says" and too many IDGAF attitudes to avoid disaster. JMO
Stacked batteries? Ain't nobody got time for that!
Go get yourself a cold pop, and stick with a single battery to start with. If you feel the need later on, you can always try stacking but do some research first.
Go get yourself a cold pop, and stick with a single battery to start with. If you feel the need later on, you can always try stacking but do some research first.
Ive seen pictures of fried switches and boards in Zmaxes,Vamos, and SVDs I have not herd of any injury's There are a couple of Mods like the buzzpro and Vaperlife mods that are designed to use stacked batteries.
In a regulated mod if there is a problem a switch or the board will fail breaking the circuit so most likely you will never have issues resulting in Injury. The whole stacked battery thing is relating to mechanical mods before we had the safety fuses. If you got in to trouble the only thing between you and some serious heat is a spring that might or might not work.
I would advise using a single battery in the SVD Vamo Zmaxs and so on they use the cheapest parts they can and they pump them out at a very quick rate. With very little quality control
While risk for injury is very low IMO why would you risk damaging your mod if you dont have to?
In a regulated mod if there is a problem a switch or the board will fail breaking the circuit so most likely you will never have issues resulting in Injury. The whole stacked battery thing is relating to mechanical mods before we had the safety fuses. If you got in to trouble the only thing between you and some serious heat is a spring that might or might not work.
I would advise using a single battery in the SVD Vamo Zmaxs and so on they use the cheapest parts they can and they pump them out at a very quick rate. With very little quality control
While risk for injury is very low IMO why would you risk damaging your mod if you dont have to?
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Scary. We must endeavor to not glorify a kind of Jackass Cloud contest wherein the winner gets Russian Rouletted in the kisser. I wouldnt even put my slippers on, I'd jus' RUYAN FO MAH LIFE if I seen somebody makin too bigga clouds. Dem fools liketa start a far.
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