1 ml syringe experiment

[NCC]

I've got a 1 (one) ml syringe with a 17 gauge pipetting (blunt end) needle. The syringe's graduations are to 0.02 ml. I'm using it in place of a dripping bottle or eyedropper to both fill carts and to top them off. I have hated from the start the mess I was getting from dripping from the bottles.

Tonight was the first night I tried it. So far, so good. Much less mess, less waste, more accurate, much more control. OK, maybe I'm not the first to do this, but I thought I'd share. Feedback?

 

[VelvetFog]

If you use cartridges, a syringe is the optimal way to refill them - from the bottom up. Hope it continues to work well for you.

 

[Belletrist]

i use a syringe and love it... it's definitely much neater. i use the KR8 and cartomizers, i don't have any issues with topping off with the bottles, but for filling the syringe wins hands down.

 

[NCC]

It's working great. I've got several other syringe sizes and have used them previously for measuring/mixing and for filling both carts and cartos. But, I don't usually do that while relaxing on the computer nor watching TV. I do, however, top off quite often. This beats the heck out of dripping from a bottle. And, as a bonus while doing so, I can get a fairly accurate idea of how much juice I'm vaping over an evening's time. That's what the 1 ml syringe is good for with its fine graduations. I like it, even if it isn't original. I think I'll keep it, LOL BTW, I killed 1ml tonight (so far). Is that a lot??

 

[Shortstuff116]

It is always better to use syringes whenever you can. One drop of VG is larger than one drop of PG and the droppers themselves vary in sizes, although small, reduces accuracy. I purchased a selection of different syringe sizes and needless here and now all my mixes are very accurate. I would recommend nothing smaller than an 18 ga needle for liquids (20 ga is smaller) and at least a 14 ga or larger 12 ga for VG.

 

[Belletrist]

oh, i use jefferspet too,

i think if i had a larger gauge needle though, i'd be more inclined to top off with a syringe; i've been using an 18g and it tends to weep a little because i don't notice right away if the pressure is too high inside because the flow is so slow.

 

[Kurt]

I keep my 100 mg VG, VG, distilled water in 50 mL bottles with euro dropper inserts. These inserts allow syringe access for dispensing, and do not allow spilliing if the bottle gets knocked over. The only thing that touches the liquids is the syringe needle. I use syringes for mixing small test batches and making up to 10 mL of a juice. The needle also goes tightly into the dropper of those small plastic bottles...just stick the needle in, invert the whole thing, and draw some into the syringe. This way I can spontaneously and accurately mix different juices to make new flavors...pull in a little air into the syringe barrel and you can shake and mix the juice right in the syringe. And since I use the ZFM cart mod on a 510, the syringe is perfect for injecting juice into the cart.

And yes, it allows me to see exactly how much I use in a time period, and it makes dripping easy. And I never touch any of the liquids.

Glad others are doing similar things. I knew when I decided to use 100 mg unflavored for DIY I would need a very safe system to work with it, and this does it great.

Good post!

 

[Kurt]

It is always better to use syringes whenever you can. One drop of VG is larger than one drop of PG and the droppers themselves vary in sizes, although small, reduces accuracy. I purchased a selection of different syringe sizes and needless here and now all my mixes are very accurate. I would recommend nothing smaller than an 18 ga needle for liquids (20 ga is smaller) and at least a 14 ga or larger 12 ga for VG.

Shortstuff116 thanks for the link! Nice find! And the drop size issue is a very important one. As a chemist, I knew the drop issue was dicey from the git go.

 

[NCC]

Thanks for the tips Shortstuff. The largest I've got is 15 gauge, and it's pretty tough drawing VG through them (possible with effort). I guess I need some larger ones. On the other hand, flavoring works for me all the way down to 22 gauge. But, 15 and 17 are all I've got in blunt tips.

 

[NCC]

Shortstuff116 thanks for the link! Nice find!

What link?

 

[NCC]

The needle also goes tightly into the dropper of those small plastic bottles...just stick the needle in, invert the whole thing, and draw some into the syringe.

I've seen that done on YouTube, but even my 15 gauge doesn't fit through the hole. It goes in a couple millimeters and hits a stop. Maybe I'm not using enough force? I don't relish the prospect of breaking a needle which I paid too much for. A 23 gauge fits, maybe a 22 would too, but of course they're too fine to draw juice through. Maybe it depends on which dropper cap and I have the wrong ones. Do you really have cram it in there with a lot of force?

 

[Shortstuff116]

What link?

If you look at my first post (post #5) in this thread you'll see the word "here" in blue which if you click on that word it takes you to the website for the items I mentioned.

 

[Smix]

I just ordered 100x 1ml pipettes for $14NZD shipped(I think that's about $9USD). Hopefully these work well.

One of the main selling points for me is that they're disposable so I don't need to worry about washing syringes/keeping them clean etc.

Will let you guys know how they perform when filling my KR808D-1 cartomizers when they arrive.

 

[four2109]

I kept a 3ML syringe in a glass on the table until I figured out how to put needles on 3ML dropper bottles. I haven't used a dropper since.

 

[avedon]

I'll have to try the syringe method. I'm tired of the mess and waste by dripping.

 

[CES]

I use a 1ml syringe and a 20 gauge needle (and take the dripping cap off to fill the syringe). For clean, dry cartomizers, i fill with 0.8ml. They'll hold more, but if i try to push it, they flood and i have to blow out the excess etc....so 0.8 ml gives me a nice fill without having to fiddle with it futher.

 

[Captain Morgan]

I use a 3ml syringe to fill my cartos, originally one I bought from HealthCabin that came with about a 24 gauge slip-on needle. I used it several times and it seemed to work O.K. One day I mixed some juice with about 50% VG as a test, drew about 1 ml into the syringe (which was a little slow but not bad), and then began filling my carto. I thought it was taking WAY too long to fill so I applied a little extra pressure on the syringe plunger. Big mistake! The needle blew off and the syringe sprayed me and all around me with e-juice. Lessons learned! I now use a 14 gauge lock-on needle with lock-on syringes when working with any and all of my e-juice.

 

[Kurt]

I've seen that done on YouTube, but even my 15 gauge doesn't fit through the hole. It goes in a couple millimeters and hits a stop. Maybe I'm not using enough force? I don't relish the prospect of breaking a needle which I paid too much for. A 23 gauge fits, maybe a 22 would too, but of course they're too fine to draw juice through. Maybe it depends on which dropper cap and I have the wrong ones. Do you really have cram it in there with a lot of force?

The needle does not go all the way into the bottle. My 18 gauge (might be 17 gauge) needles just go into the tip, but enough so that it "sticks in" and I invert the whole thing and raw liquid in, then just pull the bottle off.

And yes, VG can be slow to draw, but a final mix in the syringe should be thin enough to be able to fairly easily push it into a bottle or cart. After a while you can gauge if a juice is thin enough by seeing how it flows when you tilt a bottle. Should be slower than water, but much faster than VG.

 

[NCC]

Thanks Kurt for the clarifications! Now I understand the needle doesn't have to enter the bottle. I'll try it!

And thanks to Shortstuff, I think I would've normally seen the link. The diphenhydramine HCL was kicking in. That's my excuse, and I'm sticking to it, LOL

I'm still very much a vaper in training. I've wasted quite a bit of money in the process, including some on unusable and on too expensive syringes and needles. Still a drop in the bucket when compared to what was my annual cigarette budget though. And, I can breathe now.