100% VG....uncommon?

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eMan_cometh

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Our local go-to vape shop sells all their juice made-to-order as 100% vegetable glycerine (plus flavoring and nic of course) and no PG, unless requested (50vg/50pg $1 upcharge)...but all these juices i see online for the most part are primarily PG. i am very familiar with the properties of each.

pg = water thin, stronger TH, allows more of the added flavor to show...vg = syrup thick, more vapor, naturally sweet on its own...etc etc

now, practically all of the hundreds of ml ive puffed in my early but rapid vaping career, with the exeption of one 30ml of 50/50 has been all VG. ive vaped it in pretty much all available heating elements i know to exist, i.e. filler-based and wick-based cartos, top coils, bottom coiled kanger t3's...etc etc all at different wattage's. i mean... yeah the juice into cartos indeed fill uncomfortably slow and the juice doesnt climb the wicks in CE4's and nova-type clearos fast enough, but a horizontal handling while taking a whack cures what ails it (i hate those things anyway)

...but aside from that, ive had virtually no random dry hits, or ever a lack of OOMPH when I need to "hit the spot"...yet ive noticed practically all online vendors, excluding Alien Visions with their Gorilla Juice and their notorious, enigmatic, "favorite or hate it" Bobas Bounty (both PG-free), use greater majority PG in their blends. I read people talking about their preferred VG/PG ratios, and practically never is the VG more than PG. even the arguably most well known Youtube reviewer said that the only practical realistic way to vape all VG is to drip it on an atty, due to its supposed inability to wick.

Of the one bottle i did have with 50%/50%, it of course was quite thin in comparison to what i was used to, but it had a faint chemical taste, of course to be expected, but after 3 days of open air aging, became very prominent and made the consistently incredible flavor very difficult to enjoy.

So my question to you all: Why is the general notion that PG-free juice seems to be non-ideal? Its all i vape, and its working phenomenal for me. The taste is all there, its gives milky clouds, and has a firm throat hit that is likely to satisfy all. It just does all the things juice needs to, quite well too, so is not all Vegetable Glycerin created equal? Or is it possible my shop uses more flavor concentrate in their recipes to up the viscoscity? And has anyone out there spent some vapetime with 100% VG and has some input to share?
 
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So my question to you all: Why is the general notion that PG-free juice seems to be non-ideal? Its all i vape, and its working phenomenal for me, so is not all Vegetable Glycerin created equal?
Actually Pharma companies recently came out with a synthetic VG they're using in inhalators and is supposedly superior to the over the counter VG.When buying Glycerine we're either buying plant derived VG or animal derived VG.

Or is it possible my shop uses more flavor concentrate in their recipes to up the viscoscity?
Many vendors add either distilled water or alcohol to 100% VG juice to thin it out. Some offer extra flavor shots. I prefer 60/ 40- 80/ 20 PG/ VG because it offers me everything I need and want in a vape session- vapor, flavor, TH, lung hit, etc. If using a Vivi Nova Tank I add extra flavoring.
 
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Hi eMan and welcome to ECF!

There is absolutely nothing wrong with 100%VG. Some of my best friends vape 100% VG! :p

Really, truly, honestly. Some people have PG allergies, others just prefer the softness of VG. Vape whatever you like.

No, not all VG is created equal; you want USP grade VG. And it has to be thinned out to vapeable consistency--anything from 20 to 12% distilled water, vodka or PG will work.
 
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Boiler: i actually can see how some would enjoy a more direct flavor without VG sweetness, thats definitely to be taken into consideration

Vapoor: there is the ongoing concern with how the entire invention and onset of e-cigs and vaping, that long-term effects are unknown...but in all realism we all know what the lesser of 2 evils is, and if it is even an evil in the slightest. Anyway, with that argument VG can be stated as non synthetic, so...i could be totally wrong, but i think if vaping did cause long term issues, natural vg would be the less likely to have an issue.

my place lists their ingredients on each label on the bottle: "USP kosher vegetable glycerin, flavoring, nicotine" but i guess "flavoring" pretty much is a catchall for anything, huh lol

Katya: Thank you! Ive been lurking these boards for a bit and its time for me to share what ive learned and learn whats shared haha. Yeah there is the allergy issue to address if needed. basically the reason i posted, was i was curious as to why the main vape shop that probably pulls more business than anyone else in the city, practically do VG only, when anywhere online it is totally different. its funny cause what they recommend if you want thinner juice is even though they do the half PG option, they actually strongly recommend their "extreme flavor" boost option instead
 

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Vapoor: there is the ongoing concern with how the entire invention and onset of e-cigs and vaping, that long-term effects are unknown...but in all realism we all know what the lesser of 2 evils is, and if it is even an evil in the slightest. Anyway, with that argument VG can be stated as non synthetic, so...i could be totally wrong, but i think if vaping did cause long term issues, natural vg would be the less likely to have an issue.

my place lists their ingredients on each label on the bottle: "USP kosher vegetable glycerin, flavoring, nicotine" but i guess "flavoring" pretty much is a catchall for anything, huh lol

Katya: Thank you! Ive been lurking these boards for a bit and its time for me to share what ive learned and learn whats shared haha. Yeah there is the allergy issue to address if needed. basically the reason i posted, was i was curious as to why the main vape shop that probably pulls more business than anyone else in the city, practically do VG only, when anywhere online it is totally different. its funny cause what they recommend if you want thinner juice is even though they do the half PG option, they actually strongly recommend their "extreme flavor" boost option instead

PG and VG are both, basically, sugars. A sugar molecule is a sugar molecule, if you know what I mean. PG has a longer track record wrt inhalations, as it has been used widely in various medical cosmetic applications.

This is the kind of VG you want, if you want to get the best:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...usp-grade-vegetable-glycerin.html#post3503183

Your shop has a point regarding flavors--VG tends to mute flavorings and usually requires more flavoring than a PG recipe!
 
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...but, at the end of the day, it could all just be that the store owner strongly believes that full VG is the best way to go. Even though i havent vaped much PG at this point, seems like they know what theyre doin, and im happy with it

Most people prefer a blend, usually 80/20 or 70/30% PG/VG.

Experiment and you'll find your own sweet spot!

Good luck!
 

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Actually Pharma companies recently came out with a synthetic VG they're using in inhalators and is supposedly superior to the over the counter VG.When buying VG we're either buying plant derived VG or animal derived VG.

While this is true of glycerine in general, it's not true of VG, which is plant-derived, by definition. Someone selling "animal-derived VG" is not selling VG.
 

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Many vendors add either distilled water or alcohol to 100% VG juice to thin it out. Some offer extra flavor shots. I prefer 60/ 40- 80/ 20 PG/ VG because it offers me everything I need and want in a vape session- vapor, flavor, TH, lung hit, etc. If using a Vivi Nova Tank I add extra flavoring.[/QUOTE]

Huh?? they r using alcohol? what is exactly PG n VG?
 

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Many vendors add either distilled water or alcohol to 100% VG juice to thin it out. Some offer extra flavor shots. I prefer 60/ 40- 80/ 20 PG/ VG because it offers me everything I need and want in a vape session- vapor, flavor, TH, lung hit, etc. If using a Vivi Nova Tank I add extra flavoring.

Huh?? they r using alcohol? what is exactly PG n VG?

Could you restate your question? Yes, eliquid makers use alcohol, for certain flavors.

Propylene Glycol and Vegetable Glycerin (glycerol).
 
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i read a tip somewhere to add 5% vodka to increase throat hit. i tried it and there was no difference to me. so i added another drop. let's just say it wasn't very....ummm...good. prolly cause it was some bottom shelf swill i had laying around lol. i think the preferred way was to use pure grain alcohol, like everclear
 

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Vapoor: there is the ongoing concern with how the entire invention and onset of e-cigs and vaping, that long-term effects are unknown...but in all realism we all know what the lesser of 2 evils is, and if it is even an evil in the slightest. Anyway, with that argument VG can be stated as non synthetic, so...i could be totally wrong, but i think if vaping did cause long term issues, natural vg would be the less likely to have an issue.
I'm not too concerned with PG or VG as much as I am with some of the flavorings available and the wicking/ filler materials used. As was discussed a few days ago (Katya and myself) we find it quite scary that people are vaping juices that literally melt plastic tanks. Also a the fact that many delivery devices are delivered with machine oil on the coils...scary unless the Chinese are now using Machine Oil USP grade :facepalm: Regardless of the price I'd be much happier with some stuff manufactured here and would be willing to pay a premium. I always wash my tanks and wicks in PGA before using them.
 

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I'm still trying to find that ideal blend for me in pg/vg blends. From one vendor I loved their 70/30 p/v blend but when I tried it at 50/50 with the same additions as before I wasn't a fan. It's really a matter of preference. Boba's (after a few weeks) was a welcome surprise in it's 100% vg state. My cartos don't like it too much though.
 
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