18350 battery

[pablo_h]

I'm thinking about getting a mech mod just for running 18350s in, just so I have a really small mod.
Most of my egos are all ready dying and I'm not sure if it's worth getting any more.

I plan on getting an SVD with some 18650 batteries, but would prefer something smaller as well, without getting more egos.
Since I have already resigned myself to getting a charger and some battery cells anyway, I am considering something like a sigelei and some 18350 cells as well. (not stacking of course)

It's pretty hard to find any protected 18350 cells. Also I've been left with the impression that getting protected cells is only needed if buying traditional li-ion cells anyway? Is that right? I seem to read a lot of people not bothering with using protected cells at all if they get IMR or manganese type chemistry batteries?

I'm going to get some protected 18650 blazar/pana batteries for any mech mod, and some unprotected pana NCR18650B for the SVD.
But don't know what to do for 18350 size since there doesn't seem to be a lot of options other than IMR from AW or efest, or 'protected' ones from junk brands.
There doesn't seem to be a trusted name brand protected battery. Any help appreciated.

 

[retired1]

The NCR18650B isn't really recommended, even for mods that have their own build in protection. AW IMRs are highly recommended for all vaping applications, though.

Read Baditudes blog on batteries. It will give you a better understanding of what you need to look for.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...eeper-understanding-mod-batteries-part-i.html

Recommended batteries are listed here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/baditude/4848-9-battery-basics-mods-imr-protected.html

 

[pablo_h]

Thanks retired1.

And thanks baditude.

Gave the post a quick read, and followed some links and ended up in this thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/battery-issues/254690-protected-batteries-vs-imr-safety.html

So a bit more confused now (I was about to forget getting protected li-ion cobalt, and go for manganese or IMR types instead, but doesn't look like a good option either?).
Looks like I've got more reading to do.

 

[Jazzi Mike]

AW IMR 18350s are probably the safest. I use Efests too. The IMR batteries are safer chemistry, meaning they won't totally blow up in a case of extreme failure. If you are really concerned with safety, you can get a vapesafe.

 

[Baditude]

As pointed out in the links that Retired provided above, protected ICR batteries are no longer recommended for mechanical mods. IMR and hybrid batteries utilize "safer chemistry" than protected ICR.

Unfortunately, the choice of current high quality 18350 IMR's is limited to the AW IMR. Some folks use Efest's 18350 IMR, but my personal experience with them left much to be desired in quality, consistancy, and long term capacity. My suggestion is spend a few more bucks for the higher quality AW IMR that will last longer than a month.

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

Your two best options for 18350 batteries are the AW IMR and the Efest IMR, both unprotected. The Efest is a significant step down from the AW's. The AW's are simply better batteries. None of the 18350 batteries being offered by other makers come even close and I would avoid cheap, no-name batteries like the plague.

 

[Baditude]

Thanks retired1.

And thanks baditude.

Gave the post a quick read, and followed some links and ended up in this thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/battery-issues/254690-protected-batteries-vs-imr-safety.html

So a bit more confused now (I was about to forget getting protected li-ion cobalt, and go for manganese or IMR types instead, but doesn't look like a good option either?).
Looks like I've got more reading to do.

I respect Steel Jan as an educator to the vaping community. But apparently at the time of that post she wasn't herself aware of the safer chemistry of IMR batteries. That post was well over a year ago, IMR's had not been available for long, and the hybrid batteries were not even on the market at that time. As stated by those who have kept up with current battery chemistries, IMR and hybrid batteries are inherently safer than protected ICR batteries.

If you would feel safer with some additional protection using an IMR, a Vape Safe Mod Fuse has the similar protection circuitry that a protected ICR battery has.

The simple protection circuit in an ICR battery can easily fail, and when it fails, that battery is likely to fail, too. Being that the ICR battery's chemistry is volatile, it can vent violently in flames or explode.

An IMR battery can fail too, but is more stress and heat tolerable than an ICR. When this battery vents, it will likely be less dramatic and without flames.

Both battery chemistries should be considered to be potentially dangerous, but when worse comes to worse the IMR will be the safer choice.


I know from personal experience that the protected circuits in an ICR battery can fail. Below is that battery:

 

[dwarfcat]

My AW IMR 18650 batteries arrive today, super excited!

 

[pablo_h]

The NCR18650B isn't really recommended, even for mods that have their own build in protection. AW IMRs are highly recommended for all vaping applications, though.

Read Baditudes blog on batteries. It will give you a better understanding of what you need to look for.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...eeper-understanding-mod-batteries-part-i.html

Recommended batteries are listed here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/baditude/4848-9-battery-basics-mods-imr-protected.html

Thanks. I haven't been avoiding spending extra on good batteries.
I just spotted the battery thread/sticky in the vendor section. Never noticed it before because I am in Australia and didn't really look at the vendor area which is USA based, as airmailing batteries is a no go these days anyway.
Local good vaping shops do list AW batteries, but they are always out of stock.
Non vaping battery sources normally only have panasonic, efest, or XXXXXfire batteries, so I thought pana was the best choice out of them.
I'll skip the ncr18650 and get some mn/imr pana batteries I have seen instead then.
As far as the 18350, it's either wait a long time for them to come in stock somewhere or settle for efest I guess

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

Efests aren't "bad batteries." I own a pair and they work fine. But their charges don't hold up nearly as well as my AW's, and I have no doubt that both will have a shorter duty cycle (i.e., lifespan).

When you get into the 18650 battery configuration, your options increase significantly. Panasonic, MNKE, AW and Sony all offer high capacity, high drain capable batteries using either IMR chemistry or newer hybrid chemistries. Just make sure you read and understand the specs of the cells you're buying, and make sure you're getting them from a reputable vendor.

It's kind of a pain that we have to keep up with all of this stuff just to make sure we're buying the right batteries for the right application. But not doing the homework can have some pretty ugly consequences, so endure the pain we must.