18650 Battery question.

[CShaver]

Ok, so I don't know if I made a good purchase or not. I ordered a Vamo V5 from fasttech, and ordered a Panasonic Ncr18650a battery.

My first question is this: Will the be SAFE to use?

Second question: If it is indeed safe, what do you think the performance of this setup will be?

 

[carrielsal]

These 2 blogs have the best layman's explanations about the various types of batteries that I have come across.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...eeper-understanding-mod-batteries-part-i.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...eper-understanding-mod-batteries-part-ii.html

 

[CShaver]

These 2 blogs have the best layman's explanations about the various types of batteries that I have come across.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...eeper-understanding-mod-batteries-part-i.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...eper-understanding-mod-batteries-part-ii.html

Wow, thank you for the informative read. I never knew there was so much to a battery.

So unfortunately, I found out my battery is not high drain. Does that mean it's unsafe to use in the Vamo? I don't know Amazon's policy on battery returns or exchanges. I know it's not a huge amount, but that 11.xx$ that I spent could be used to buy a better battery.

If this one is still safe to use, I'll use it until my next paycheck or so when I can order a different one.

Note to everyone Buying their first mod. Do not buy a battery simply because it's high mAh and you're hoping for great battery life. Do your research lol

 

[danimal40]

it is safe to use in a vamo because vamo's have protective circuitry built in.. it may run out quicker.
I just listed these in a different thread. I use these batteries in my SVD and my mech mod
18650 Flat-Top 1600mah Battery - Mt Baker Vapor - Electronic Cigarettes

 

[carrielsal]

Take a look at this battery, http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/apv-discussion/469979-panasonic-ncr18650pf.html.

 

[CShaver]

it is safe to use in a vamo because vamo's have protective circuitry built in.. it may run out quicker.
I just listed these in a different thread. I use these batteries in my SVD and my mech mod
18650 Flat-Top 1600mah Battery - Mt Baker Vapor - Electronic Cigarettes

Ok, as long as it's safe and won't damage my V5 I'll use it for now.

How long do those last you, being only 1600mAh? I'm a very heavy vaper (refilling my EVODs at least twice a day). My vision spinner lasts me all day, and its only 1300mAh, but it's a lot less sophisticated than a mod with options and a screen. I bought the 3100mAh so it would guarantee me all day vaping.

Bah this is confusing haha

 

[Deadwood83]

The panny A types have a discharge current limit of ~6A (2C + 3100mAh), but since panasonic and sony both manufacture these cells to primarily be used in laptop batteries, they last much longer at a significantly lower current rating such as 2A. Your vamo is rated to draw up to 5A. Of course when I say last, I am speaking of charge/discharge cycles and the overall lifespan of the battery before it needs to be replaced.

So yes, they will work fine in your vamo, but will need to be replaced sooner than a battery designed specifically for a high current discharge lifespan.


A short discussion on candlepower forums covers it pretty well with a link to the battery datasheet.

Panasonic NCR18650A - Maximum discharge current

 

[danimal40]

yea that mAh thing isn't what everyone thinks (companies stretch it).. some batteries say 3100 or whatnot but drain superfast others are 1500 or 2000 and last twice as long. It has to do with the battery construction. This 1600 last me all day before it drops down to under 4 which is where I charge it

 

[carrielsal]

Ok, as long as it's safe and won't damage my V5 I'll use it for now.

How long do those last you, being only 1600mAh? I'm a very heavy vaper (refilling my EVODs at least twice a day). My vision spinner lasts me all day, and its only 1300mAh, but it's a lot less sophisticated than a mod with options and a screen. I bought the 3100mAh so it would guarantee me all day vaping.

Bah this is confusing haha

Darn good question. Currently I am using IMR18650 2000 mah batteries in a ZMAX. My typical wattage setting can range from 6.5W to 9W. How much I vape depends on how busy I am (I work from home). I typically go through 2 batteries a day.

 

[CShaver]

Well after doing some more research, I'm definitely getting the NCR18650PF. Just have to wait until my next check or so.

But for now, the one I got will work since it's safe to use.

I wish I did this research earlier. Lesson learned lol.

This site is the most helpful thing I've ever come across. You guys are awesome. Thank you.

 

[ImageX]

yea that mAh thing isn't what everyone thinks (companies stretch it).. some batteries say 3100 or whatnot but drain superfast others are 1500 or 2000 and last twice as long. It has to do with the battery construction. This 1600 last me all day before it drops down to under 4 which is where I charge it

You charge at 3.9? The battery isn't even close to being drained yet and is actually semi close to a full charge. You need to fully cycle it from time to time for it's own health.

 

[ImageX]

Ok, so I don't know if I made a good purchase or not. I ordered a Vamo V5 from FastTech, and ordered a Panasonic Ncr18650a battery.

My first question is this: Will the be SAFE to use?

Second question: If it is indeed safe, what do you think the performance of this setup will be?

You are fine. You are using it in a regulated device. The Vamo will not even allow the type of high drain situations that you may be concerned with. That battery is completely fine to use.

 

[danimal40]

You charge at 3.9? The battery isn't even close to being drained yet and is actually semi close to a full charge. You need to fully cycle it from time to time for it's own health.

I think its actually 3.6 when light on my SVD goes from green to yellow and I charge it. I do take it down when using the mech mod

 

[6spdtls]

Ok, so I don't know if I made a good purchase or not. I ordered a Vamo V5 from FastTech, and ordered a Panasonic Ncr18650a battery.

My first question is this: Will the be SAFE to use?

Second question: If it is indeed safe, what do you think the performance of this setup will be?

I just use IMR 30A on anything for safety and performance even though it doesn't make any difference on variables. sub-ohms: imr......variables: any batteries.

 

[Bunnykiller]

yea that mAh thing isn't what everyone thinks (companies stretch it).. some batteries say 3100 or whatnot but drain superfast others are 1500 or 2000 and last twice as long. It has to do with the battery construction. This 1600 last me all day before it drops down to under 4 which is where I charge it

what battery do you have? sounds like one awesome unit. I have 3400 Efests and they last about a day but drop down to 3.4V at recharge time.

 

[Baditude]

You are fine. You are using it in a regulated device. The Vamo will not even allow the type of high drain situations that you may be concerned with. That battery is completely fine to use.

...it doesn't make any difference on variables. sub-ohms: imr......variables: any batteries.

The NCR18650A and NCR18650B batteries from Panasonic and Orbtronic will "work" and are "safe" to use in a regulated mod, but they are far from the "ideal" battery to be used in one. They are not a high drain battery, and they have only a 6.8 amp limit. Because of their high mAh capacity, they have a very high internal resistance. Orbtronics, who sells both of these batteries, states that they are for flashlights, and not APV's.

Regulated mods use buck boost circuitry to make higher voltage. They do this with pulse width modulation (PWM). Say you set a certain voltage or wattage on a Vamo or Provari. Keep in mind that this setting is only the average current. Because the Vamo or Provari converter is a pulsing device, the pulsed battery current can be a factor of 2 higher than the average current. The battery may need to supply pulsed currents of over 9 amps, which is more amps than these two batteries have. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provape/334831-technical-why-high-drain-batteries.html

But wait, why do the Panasonic A & B batteries work at all? They work when the output is not adjusted to supply high power. They get by running at low power but the full capacity of the battery is NEVER available because of the voltage drop due to the higher internal resistance causes them to shut down early. So if you think you are getting 3400 mAh out of a battery with that rating you would be wrong.

BATTERY BASICS FOR MODS: IMR OR PROTECTED ICR?

DEEPER UNDERSTANDING OF MOD BATTERIES (PTS I & II)

 

[patstang]

I have a Lavatube with the high drain batteries. Of course, it came with a battery when I bought it, and I bought an extra from my vape store locally. I did find the exact batteries, however, on Amazon for almost half of what I paid ... so I'm not sure if they are a viable option or not.

 

[danimal40]

oh yea the new efest is out...this is the 1 to get for all your vape needs
Efest Purple 30amp 18650 - 2100mah - 101 Vape

get them before they are gone