18650 batterys for non sub ohm vaping

[Mumrikan]

Hi
Got a lot of good advice on question about my Evods. And some "get rid of them and buy something else". As I said - I'm keeping them. Some I will use while on the move and some I'll hand over to friends who are interested of trying vaping out.

But i have in fact already orded a SS Vamo. And those need depart battery. Ive been reading here and serched both here and elsewhere. Maybe I missed something but is the recommendation towards IMR general - or just for sub-ohming? I'm thinking I will buy two batters for each APV - what other specification is a good choice, balancing price and performance? Or should I just get the most powerful I can get?

Finally - I live in Europe (Sweden) - any tips for a good supplier? Or is it safe to buy from FT, if you keep to "good brands" - or are they likely to be knock offs?

Thanks fore taking time with my newbee questions!

Anna

 

[Norrin]

Don't be conned into thinking that high mAh will work better for low amp usage because it doesn't quite work that way because of the way we use batteries (they are never going to be fully discharged) so get the best batteries you can and they will give you the best life and last longer too. FT stuff is generally OK as they are honest when they are going to sell you crap. A good charger is needed to to get the best out of your batteries. Just checked Fasttech and don't see any suitable batteries though.

 

[DingerCPA]

Welcome Mumrikan!

Please check out some of the blogs from the user Baditude. He has a number of good recommendations for safe batteries. I also have a Vamo, and I'm using purple EFEST 2500maH batteries that are "marked" 35A. I've also picked up some Panasonic 3100 maH batteries which actually have a much lower C rating (continuous discharge), but with my builds, I'm never forcing much more than 2.5A from my batteries. I appreciate the longer life of the 3100's.

I think pretty much all recommendations are high-drain IMR batteries that are UNprotected. There's extra circuitry in the protected batteries which 1) adds length to the battery so it may not fit in the mod and 2) may conflict with existing regulation circuitry in mods like the Vamos.

I'm not sure who your best suppliers are in Europe. I'm hoping a couple other vets from that side of the "Pond" can chime in. I'm going to call-out for Tchavei - he's commented previously on batteries before, and he may have a source for you.

 

[Susan~S]

Check out this blog by Baditude for a list of safe batteries for vaping: Battery Basics for Mods

- choose the safest and right battery for your applications here. Includes a list of name brand, high-drain, safe-chemistry batteries with mAh & amp ratings in 18350, 18490/18500, and 18650 sizes.

 

[tj99959]

Batteries can be a bit confusing because there are a bunch more "Brand Names" out there than there are companies that produce batteries. Understanding what battery cell is under the pretty wrapper can be important, so there is a need to do your homework.

Next thing to think about is where to buy batteries. Remember that batteries can only be shipped by "slow boat", so companies like FastTech can be a poor choice. (it can take a month to get them). Also think about fakes & counterfeits. Trust me, whenever a product becomes popular, there will be someone trying to make a fast buck. Just look at the stunt L-Ryder tried to pull when the Lava-Tube was first introduced.

The bottom line IMO is only buy batteries from "trusted sources".
So one of these would be my choice if I lived in Europe, there are other good sources, but these would be mine.
AW Batteries - Authorised Dealers - UK

 

[Warpigs]

Battery is probably the most important part of a mod. I would only buy batteries from a trusted company.

 

[Treborsmug]

I'll just say right now, your going to read some slams for my info....but they're full of cow dung....I've been running 12 mech mod clones and Digi mods (Vamo, SVD, 134,Smok Rocket (new)) for over 6 months. Throttling the hell out of Ultrafire BRC 18650 button tops. No heat issues, good drain life. Recharged quick (about 2 hours). Bulk supplier from Ebay. 2 bat charger and 4 18650's: $15. Bulk pack of 10 18650: $15. Just do an Utlrafire search on Ebay. You'll find them. or...you can listen to the b.s. and pay to much. I'm also not running any coil wrap below .7 ohm. 1.3 ohm in Kayfun on the Rocket at 8.0W kicks out great cloud, nic hit and flavour.

 

[itskohler]

Lets not feed risky battery usage to new users, k?

 

[sketchness]

Samsung 25r should be a solid battery for you purposes. And they are available on the market from any of the reputable suppliers.

 

[Kaezziel]

Hmmmmm.... not gonna bash ya, Treborsmug... but not gonna stand next to ya while ya vape, either... just sayin'...

I'll stick with the Xtar 30A batteries from rtdvapor... just my own paranoia here, but I like my face... even if other people would rather not look at it....

 

[Treborsmug]

Lets not feed risky battery usage to new users, k?

Risky? comprehend my stats? Not. I didn't make through and retire from 30 years as an Aerospace Design Engineer and not know the how to tell the difference from bad and good product. How to perform load test's and stress analysis. I was Mechanical and Structures. My friend (also 30 years) is Aerospace Avionics (uh...that's electronics). Guess I'll just go about my life as I know works.....later and good luck with this.

 

[Kaezziel]

Risky? comprehend my stats? Not. I didn't make through and retire from 30 years as an Aerospace Design Engineer and not know the how to tell the difference from bad and good product. How to perform load test's and stress analysis. I was Mechanical and Structures. My friend (also 30 years) is Aerospace Avionics (uh...that's electronics). Guess I'll just go about my life as I know works.....later and good luck with this.

Well.... let's be fair... vaping in general... and sub-ohm vaping in particular, is all about calculated risk. You have calculated that you are okay with the risk concerned with the batteries that you choose to use. Others are just not as comfortable with that same level of risk. There is nothing wrong with using the batteries that you have chosen, if you know how to test them to confirm that you've received a solid specimen, but not everyone has that equipment or expertise... (I've been in Avionics for 12 years and other electronics for another 10, so I'm no dummy either...). That being said, there are those of us who would just rather go with a reputable company for our battery needs... nothing wrong with either one of us...

 

[itskohler]

Risky? comprehend my stats? Not. I didn't make through and retire from 30 years as an Aerospace Design Engineer and not know the how to tell the difference from bad and good product. How to perform load test's and stress analysis. I was Mechanical and Structures. My friend (also 30 years) is Aerospace Avionics (uh...that's electronics). Guess I'll just go about my life as I know works.....later and good luck with this.

Congrats on a storied career as an engineer, but please leave the ego at the door when helping new members. It's risky in the sense that most people don't come from your background, and risk getting themselves into some trouble without having the wiggle room that higher amp batteries provide.

 

[Mumrikan]

Thanks everyone. And yes. It is quite confusing I must say. The recommended post from Badtitude I've read several times. And I'm (despite my age and sex ) quite tech savvy. But to be honest it didn't give me answers to my question. What is a trusted seller? I started out (this summer) buying my vaping stuff from sellers located in Sweden that are reputable. They gave me good answers and where what I would calling responsible. I choosed shops that wrote about safety in their descriptions and I got good advice, I think. But when I started looking at FastTech I must say that as long as I was responsible my self (not just looking at price, choosing materials up to the task etc) I got stuff that where equal or better.

On big issue is all the fakes. If you pay attention, read what is posted on each item and stay away from obvious crap much is avoided. But those who make fakes is quite thoroug I think. So how do I know I don't get bad stuff? What I understand both from reading here Att ECF and Badtitud AW batterys are recommended. But I've alsounlearned that at least 50% of the AWs are fakes...

Since shipping here is going with slow boat also from the US (especially when it comes to batterys, due to the limitations transporting them by air) I've all ready concluded it will take some time to get them.

So I will check out the recommendations. And then I'll have to do as best that I can, I suppose.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

These AW's are authentic from a reputable vendor / dealer ---> Authentic AW Batteries - RTD Vapor

 

[ReigntheGamer]

If you are just looking for a reputable vendor for batteries and don't mind waiting a little bit I recommend RTD Vapor.

Edited: Topwater beat me to it.

 

[AzPlumber]

Risky? comprehend my stats? Not. I didn't make through and retire from 30 years as an Aerospace Design Engineer and not know the how to tell the difference from bad and good product. How to perform load test's and stress analysis. I was Mechanical and Structures. My friend (also 30 years) is Aerospace Avionics (uh...that's electronics). Guess I'll just go about my life as I know works.....later and good luck with this.

A little research into battery chemistry and you'll understand why your Ultrafire ICR batteries are NOT recommended over the safer IMR or Hybrid batteries.

 

[TFL!]

Batteries can be a bit confusing because there are a bunch more "Brand Names" out there than there are companies that produce batteries. Understanding what battery cell is under the pretty wrapper can be important, so there is a need to do your homework.

Next thing to think about is where to buy batteries. Remember that batteries can only be shipped by "slow boat", so companies like FastTech can be a poor choice. (it can take a month to get them). Also think about fakes & counterfeits. Trust me, whenever a product becomes popular, there will be someone trying to make a fast buck. Just look at the stunt L-Ryder tried to pull when the Lava-Tube was first introduced.

The bottom line IMO is only buy batteries from "trusted sources".
So one of these would be my choice if I lived in Europe, there are other good sources, but these would be mine.
AW Batteries - Authorised Dealers - UK

Check out this link above

 

[tj99959]

Risky? comprehend my stats? Not. I didn't make through and retire from 30 years as an Aerospace Design Engineer and not know the how to tell the difference from bad and good product. How to perform load test's and stress analysis. I was Mechanical and Structures. My friend (also 30 years) is Aerospace Avionics (uh...that's electronics). Guess I'll just go about my life as I know works.....later and good luck with this.

My friend there are plenty of us here on ecf with engineering degrees, and trust me on this, that can be as much of a problem as it is an asset. We need to always remember that there are some that come to this site that still need to learn that + is the positive end of the battery.

The reality is that any battery can be made to vent, there are no exceptions! So the question becomes 'what happens should the battery vent?'
Lithium Cobalt vents in a violent way making it unsuitable for our use. Battery technology has progressed during those 30 years that you worked in Aerospace, and we now have Lithium Manganese batteries that do not vent violently making them a safer choice.

Bottom line for me at least is that I started vaping to reduce the harm I was doing to myself, and I use IMR batteries for that same reason.

 

[classwife]

Dropping of a reminder here about speaking to fellow members with respect...


and thank those that gave safety assistance