18650 eGo Mod

[TTK]

Well we're still waiting for confirmation but in the meantime I've been looking into the Vape-Safe. Yes it is a good product. Basically it is a fuse designed to protect against a "hard short". This is a good thing of course.

But keep in mind that a "hard short" is a failure of the mod itself. Unprotected batteries can also fail (thermally) in other ways. So the Vape-Safe is only one layer of protection. Unprotected batteries can still have a thermal failure even with a Vape-Safe.

Just food for thought. Safety first.

JJ

You're right, of course. But, don't the protected batteries also have a circuit protector board in them? How can this protect from a thermal failure? In other words, isn't a protected battery just protected against short circuits? Or, is the protected battery protected against shorts actually inside the Lithium ion cell where the chemicals are? If so, how does it do that with a circuit board external to the reactions taking place? It isn't clear to me just what "protected" really means and what types of failure it is protecting from.

 

[JimmyJet]

I think I should clarify that I am talking about a thermal failure of a battery. This is when the battery releases hot gasses and can cause fire and injury. Batteries can fail in other ways or simply quit working.

A hard short would be considered an external failure. In other words, the battery is fine but the mod failed with a short circuit. The Vape-Safe is designed to protect against this type of failure.

Batteries can fail internally in many different ways, especially unprotected batteries. The Vape-Safe would *not* protect against this.

For more info, this is the place to start reading...

Battery University

 

[TTK]

Yes, I understood what you were talking about...a thermal failure. My question is, how does a "protected battery" protect from a thermal failure? Certainly not by a circuit board imbedded in the package. So, how? Does it have some sort of venting system internally, which would keep from exploding if the tube itself was vented?
It appears that Joyetec is not going to answer the question about this battery for MSF.

 

[TTK]

Here is what I found from Lighthound regarding protected batteries:
"The primary difference between the Protected and Unprotected batteries is that the protected batteries have a small circuit board, typically on the bottom of the battery, that stops the charging or discharge of the battery in certain circumstances. Some of the circumstances in which the circuit include: Over-Charge, Over-Discharge, Short-Circuit, and in some cases, overheating"

 

[JimmyJet]

Yes, I understood what you were talking about...a thermal failure. My question is, how does a "protected battery" protect from a thermal failure? Certainly not by a circuit board imbedded in the package. So, how? Does it have some sort of venting system internally, which would keep from exploding if the tube itself was vented?
It appears that Joyetec is not going to answer the question about this battery for MSF.

Oh, I get your question now. Sorry. What the protection circuit board does is prevent the thermal runaway from happening in the first place. If a thermal runaway *does* indeed happen, then the ventilation must be provided by the mod itself.

This is why most tube mods these days have small holes drilled in the bottom to allow the gasses to escape. There are other methods, such as eGo batteries which have a blowout plate on the bottom.

What's important to remember is that safety should always use a layered approach. Example... high quality protected battery + proper vent holes + Vape-Safe + high quality charger = 4 layers of protection.

Is that a guarantee? No. But the more layers the better.

 

[WindLvr]

I bought mine from GotVapes.com, and no where on their page does is state whether the battery is protected or unprotected. although they do claim this: "Use of batteries other than the Joyetech 2200 18650 or the Sanyo sanctioned 2600mah battery will void the warranty on these."

Why can I only use these two batteries in this unit? There are plenty of great protected batteries out there with excellent reputations. Why would the warranty be voided by using a high quality protected battery? And what is the big deal with the Sanyo 2600mah battery?

I am a little nervous to use my new vaping device now that I know the battery is not protected. I have no way of knowing when the battery is over drained. I have an excellent charger, and I remove the battery and charge it the way it should be done. I also place the battery charger in an ammo can just in case of an explosion or fire or some other type of failure. I have to admit though this thing vapes like a champ in unregulated mode with my reworked ViVi Nova Tanks. I need two more of these so I can have one for all three of my ViVi Nova Tanks!!! I like to switch flavors often throughout the day. Anyways, I am getting off topic.

So, I have a choice of two batteries otherwise there is no warranty, and that is bull!

So I am not sure what protected battery to run in this mod. I would like something bigger than 2200Mah though, because that does not last me all day. I am a chain vaper. I was about to order a second Joyetech battery until I saw this thread. So what kind of batter should I use in the 18650 size?

 

[TTK]

The warranty issue may be a problem, or not, but the Joyetech control unit should give you over discharge and over charge protection. Even though I bought a charger, I find myself just using the ego charger. I use the Joyetech battery with the vapesafe control unit. But, I also use the AW IC 3100 mah protected battery also. It is 68 mm long but will fit and work fine.

 

[JimmyJet]

I have to admit though this thing vapes like a champ in unregulated mode with my reworked ViVi Nova Tanks. I need two more of these so I can have one for all three of my ViVi Nova Tanks!!!

Yes it does vape like a champ. Note that the mod can be purchased without the battery for $18. (2 x $9)

Joyetech eGo-T Mod Battery Control Unit

Joyetech eGo-T Mod Tube for 18650 Battery

I like this mod more everyday. What amazes me is how much less I use my VV mods now. VV mods that cost a *lot* more than $18, btw.

 

[oxygen thief]

I should have made a phone call before buying this mod. The e cig community is pretty tight..vendors interact here etc. They know unprotected batteries are a no go but either the factory or the store bundles unprotected batteries and says use these or you void the warranty. Nowhere on any of the sites I've been to have a disclaimer of these are unprotected batteries, use at your own risk. You can buy this unit with a protected battery for $10 more or whatever.
This bothers me because people don't always know to ask and may not even follow charging instructions.
This could lead to nightly news doing a story on another e cig user who was seriously injured by an e cig. This should not happen.

 

[TTK]

The only reason this unit is called a "mod" is that it has a changeable 18650 battery. Otherwise it is just like a regular Ego upgrade 650mah ecig. It just has a bigger and changeable battery. The Joyetech control unit appears to provide the same functions as the regular Ego upgrade. However, no one seems to complain about the regular Ego being an "unprotected" battery.

 

[Bearded Vapor]

I don't know if this if this we help but i do believe that some mods have protection built in for the device and the battery. but I'm not sure if the ego-T mod has it.

 

[bully mom]

Just found this thread and I'm very concerned as to what to do.

My friend just sent me her eGo mod, blue batteries included, because she no longer uses it. Now I'm very anxious about using it. As soon as it arrived, I put a 1.7 LR Boge carto on and fired it up. Love it!! Then I see this thread.

My first instinct is to purchase protected batteries and not use the mod until they arrive. I do have a lavatube that uses the crimson colored battery that comes with it. Are they protected?? They have a very faint print on them that says..."0E7A5C and right under that number is another very faint print that says....037280. At least that is what it looks like to me. These came with the Lavatube that I purchased in the classies. At least the LT has a hole in the bottom of the mod. The eGo mod doesn't have any kind of vent that I can see.

Is it safer to use it in the unregulated mode or does it matter??

Any other advice on other threads to check regarding this problem would be appreciated

Thanks so much. I'm on hold for now

 

[JimmyJet]

I do have a lavatube that uses the crimson colored battery that comes with it. Are they protected??

The short answer is yes. Technically the Lavatube batteries are "safe chemistry" which is a different technology from "protected". The Lavatube batteries are definitely safer than any unprotected battery.

In the 18650 category, the two best and safest are the AW IMR 18650 and the Panasonic CGR18650CH 18650. If you need links send me a PM.

JJ

 

[fourthrok]

I got my eGo T Mod 18650 today....and it's GREAT! I like to vape around 3.3 to 3.5...so the regulated mode is just right for me. I don't like the dual coil cartos or tanks because they run too hot and mess up the flavor of my juice (which I DIY and it's geared for the voltage I prefer). Not to mention they are battery charge killers. I know to use 1.7 to 2.4 ohm on eGos...have those so that's great. So...that part is perfect for me. I'm using protected flat top 18650s...no problem at all. [EDIT: They are the batteries that came with my LavaTube...so I guess they are the IMR type or li-mn or whatever they are called. The JoyeTech battery that came with the mod is in the charger still charging.] The reason I was so attracted to this unit was that the parts are replaceable. if the switch goes out, no problem. It can be replaced on the cheap. The tube gets banged up, or you get sick of the color? Get a new tube. Replaceable batteries, of course. What's not to love? And best of all...this puppy kicks out vapor with my juice and my eGo Mega SC cartos like no other! I'm almost dizzy it hits so good! lol!

I don't think there is a problem with this device at all. And I read somewhere that the bottom will pop off if there is something catastrophic happening with the battery. For me and my needs...this is perfect. Solid build, and good looking and reliable (and whatever isn't can be replaced easy). It's all good!

 

[daddytwigs]

It worked great at first. A whole week off the first charge(i was using the 18650 at home only and using may ego-c (650) on the road).I never used the vv, cause I got what I needed from the static setting. All I wanted was a battery with a charge cycle that lasted more than 5/6 hours.
being a product, not a knockoff, of joyetech, it seemed like I had a reasonable expectation of quality. Now, after @ 1mo or so, it's dead. Battery charges, just the device is dead.
Maybe I got a dud, idono. Lesson learned. I got what I paid for, I guess.
Oh, did I mention I bought 2, and they're both dead after 1mo?
Wish I could say I somehow screwed them up, or user error is involved, but I'm pretty meticulous with my vaping supplies-clean, proper charging, etc. after all, it's the only thing between me and those stinkies.

I'm posting this on the forum because I tried on MFS website, and my review didn't "take", for whatever reason

 

[TaylorMade]

I'm posting this on the forum because I tried on MFS website, and my review didn't "take", for whatever reason

Just wanted to let you know that we have been bombarded with spam reviews lately. Unfortunately we cannot always take the time to browse through 2000 reviews to find the 20 legitimate reviews that may be hidden in there somewhere so sometimes the legitimate ones get deleted as well. We have even tried using the CAPTCHA code to cut down on the spam, but they still get past it somehow. We are working with our cart software provider for a solution to this problem

 

[TaylorMade]

It worked great at first. A whole week off the first charge(i was using the 18650 at home only and using may ego-c (650) on the road).I never used the vv, cause I got what I needed from the static setting. All I wanted was a battery with a charge cycle that lasted more than 5/6 hours.
being a product, not a knockoff, of joyetech, it seemed like I had a reasonable expectation of quality. Now, after @ 1mo or so, it's dead. Battery charges, just the device is dead.
Maybe I got a dud, idono. Lesson learned. I got what I paid for, I guess.
Oh, did I mention I bought 2, and they're both dead after 1mo?
Wish I could say I somehow screwed them up, or user error is involved, but I'm pretty meticulous with my vaping supplies-clean, proper charging, etc. after all, it's the only thing between me and those stinkies.

It can be difficult to diagnose the problem on these mods because it could be the battery, could be the control unit, or it could be the tube. However, we do offer a 30-day replacement warranty and a 60-day prorated credit warranty on these batteries. If you are interested in taking advantage of these you will need to fill out a return request on our site.

 

[fourthrok]

The eGo T Mod I was raving about a couple of posts up? STILL cranking gangbusters and I still love it! Have gone on to get a 4 more tubes and one spare control head (for "just in case" and also for charging purposes when my wall charger is full of batteries).

I still say it's an amazing mod for the money. It's my regular daily work horse! I do have several APVs, including VV Gripper, 3.7 Gripper, LavaFire, telescope, Bolt and LT. Still love my eGo T Mod. It'd be cool if MFS would start carrying the 18350 sized tubes in colors too...and the new style 510/eGo threaded control heads...they look cool!

 

[TaylorMade]

We are always looking into new products so keep your eyes out on our site to see what we make available next. I don't know if we will be carrying the 18350, but there are many other things we are considering. What is the main benefit of the 18350 over the 18650 version? Just the size?

 

[JimmyJet]

I still say it's an amazing mod for the money. It's my regular daily work horse!

Yes it is. I still have the two that I purchased several months ago. Serious bang for the buck. I'll buy another when one fails but that has not yet happened. Oh the money I could recover if I could magically turn back the clock.