18650 Extra battery Storage

[emus]

I totally agree with you on this point. I pretty much stopped using my mechanicals the day I received my first regulated mod, and have not purchased another mech since.

I never suggest a mechanical mod for a person's first e-cigarette, nor as their first mod. A regulated mod is far safer via it's built-in protective circuitry which is far superior to anything you can put into a mechanical mod. It can keep a novice out of trouble until they have had opportunity to learn how to use a mechanical mod more safely.

Unfortunately, the current popular trend is for mechanical mods, and many first time users are not aware of the added potential risks.

I might trust some high end regulated mods but how is one to know if a cloned regulated mod actually contains the safety bits?

 

[Baditude]

I might trust some high end regulated mods but how is one to know if a cloned regulated mod actually contains the safety bits?

ANY processor protection offered in a regulated mod is going to be superior to what is offered in a mechanical mod (which is NONE). Most of the Chinese made regulated mods use the same processor so there will not be much variance from manufacturer to manufacturer.

Read the vendor's product description for the safety features. For instance, the Segelei Z-Max is a clone of the Smoktech Z-Max:

* 4A Output Limit
* OLED Displays Output Voltage, Output Power, Resistance, Battery Voltage, Power On/Off, LCD On/Off
* Short Circuit Protection
* Low Resistance Protection below 1.2ohms
* Low Voltage Protection below 3.4V (or 6.4V for stacked batts)

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

Panasonic NCR18650B's are fine for use in regulated mods that do not draw 5.0A and won't pulse higher than 10.0A. That is the vast majority (perhaps even all) of the regulated mods available and in use today.

We discussed this cell at length in several other threads. I was initially hesitant to use them in my Vamo's because I knew they weren't high drain and suspected them to be unprotected ICR cells. That fear has since proven to be misplaced.

While their performance is very good, there's no way our regulated devices can get the full capacity out of these high capacity NCR's. Most reg mods stop firing when the charge drops below 3.2v. According to the widely available test charts, that puts the actual performance capacity at ~2200mAh. They are still the longest lasting batteries in my rotation.

I would never drop one into an unregulated mechanical. They are not high drain and therefore could present a very unsafe situation.

I also use ziplock bags for carrying spare batteries. Cheap and effective. If you're carrying more than one, put each in a bag of its own and put both bags into a third for convenience.

 

[HauntedMyst]

18650's are the same size as a 410 shot gun shell so I just use my shell belt holder. I tried to carry my 410 shot gun around with me because I thought it would be cool to just "Chick-chick" kock it and eject out a battery (you know what I am talking about guys, trying to look like a bad-...-dont-mess-with-me vaper) but I went to the mall and apparently it freaked people out because SWAT showed up 10 minutes later as I was coming out of Bath and Body Works with my wife (which did NOTHING for my bad ... image). They yelled "drop it" I thought they were talking about my Zenesis Ash and I was like "It's not smoke! It's just vaper!" They hit me with the tazers and bean bags from their shotguns (Six bean bags and two tazers! WTH, talk about over kill!). Next thing I know I wake up in a prison cell with some guy asking me if I'm ready for some loving. I didn't want no loving. I had a headache.

 

[Baditude]

Haunted, I have no idea if that is a true story or not, but you had me laughing out loud.

 

[emus]

ANY processor protection offered in a regulated mod is going to be superior to what is offered in a mechanical mod (which is NONE). Most of the Chinese made regulated mods use the same processor so there will not be much variance from manufacturer to manufacturer.
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* Low Voltage Protection below 3.4V (or 6.4V for stacked batts)

The hot spring in my omega clone saved the day when my RBA clone had a hard short. The spring collapsed in about 1 second. Batt didn't have time to get warm before hot spring shut omega down.

Those stacked batts scare me.

 

[HauntedMyst]

Haunted, I have no idea if that is a true story or not, but you had me laughing out loud.

Thanks bad. I learned some lessons that day. One of which was the SWAT team told me later they went non-lethal because even though I had a shot gun on my back, it's hard to believe some guys is a hostile bad ... when they are chunky and wearing a Charlie Brown shirt and eating a blueberry snow cone and has a blue all over their face and drips on their shirt and is humming the Candy Man "Who can make a rainbow" from the Willy Wonka movie. Now I just carry my batteries in a $1.09 battery box from Fasttech. Oh, and I use those rub on tattoos when I want to look bad ....

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

Haunted, I have no idea if that is a true story or not, but you had me laughing out loud.

He does that to me, too. And when I least expect it.

 

[Baditude]

The hot spring in my omega clone saved the day when my RBA clone had a hard short. The spring collapsed in about 1 second. Batt didn't have time to get warm before hot spring shut omega down.

I was using a protected battery in a mech mod with a hot spring. The firing switch got stuck in "on" mode while in a pair of pants I was not wearing, causing the battery to over-discharge and go into meltdown. The protection on the battery and the hot spring both failed to prevent the battery going into thermal runaway. It's good to have more than a single layer of safety where batteries are concerned.

 

[emus]

I was using a protected battery in a mech mod with a hot spring. The firing switch got stuck in "on" mode while in a pair of pants I was not wearing, causing the battery to over-discharge and go into meltdown. The protection on the battery and the hot spring both failed to prevent the battery going into thermal runaway. It's good to have more than a single layer of safety where batteries are concerned.

Perhaps your batt was defective; a defective batt can go into thermal runaway in a regulated mod as well.

Switch can be held "on" indefinitely w/o batt damage unless there is also above spec current drain or hard short.
The hot spring would have collapsed if hard short unregulated current from charged batt passed though it.

Are you suggesting that discharging a batt below critical low voltage level can initiate thermal runaway?

 

[Baditude]

Perhaps your batt was defective; a defective batt can go into thermal runaway in a regulated mod as well.

Switch can be held "on" indefinitely w/o batt damage unless there is also above spec current drain or hard short.
The hot spring would have collapsed if hard short unregulated current from charged batt passed though it.

Are you suggesting that discharging a batt below critical low voltage level can initiate thermal runaway?

I'm saying that the battery over-discharged to the point of irreversable thermal runaway because the mod's prominent fire switch became compressed in the tight quarters of the pants pocket.. The incident occurred not long after I had begun using my first mechanical mod. All I know is when I reached for the mod in the pants pocket it was too hot to touch.

I managed to remove the mod from the pants, and put the mod in a bathroom sink and run water on it to cool it down. There was the smell of burnt plastic. Removing the battery I observed that the battery ends had popped out from venting gas, the plastic shrink wrap had been melted away. The pants pocket the mod was in was very scorched and blackened as if there had been a lot of heat and possibly flames. The gas had vented through the fire switch as it was designed to. I don't recall if the hot spring collapsed or not. I am assuming it had not and that the battery's protection failed to stop the battery from over-discharging.



The mod was sent to the vendor that I purchased it from to replace the fire switch along with a new hot spring. Since this incident, I have used only IMR safe chemistry batteries after learning more about safe battery practices.

 

[burtonsnowww]

i carry one extra in a plastic tube for nickels i had laying around.. fits perfect

 

[Myk]

Those stacked batts scare me.

Me too but I'm learning to get over it. Stacked batteries and high ohms in a VV are less worrisome to me than low ohms in a mech. You're generally under working the batteries in the VV so the only thing I can see going wrong is one battery overpowering the other which shouldn't happen if you keep an eye on them before putting them in.

 

[emus]

Me too but I'm learning to get over it. Stacked batteries and high ohms in a VV are less worrisome to me than low ohms in a mech. You're generally under working the batteries in the VV so the only thing I can see going wrong is one battery overpowering the other which shouldn't happen if you keep an eye on them before putting them in.

I agree. There is a small chance one of the two could decide to become an under performer after it was checked. I suspect you'd notice mod getting warm and have time to throw it and yell duck should that happen. Adequately vented, I think the firework show will be a dud. It'd likely cool down and not even vent.

The darwin crowd probably never does comparative testing before installing mismatched stacked batts.

 

[Ryedan]

18650's are the same size as a 410 shot gun shell so I just use my shell belt holder. I tried to carry my 410 shot gun around with me because I thought it would be cool to just "Chick-chick" kock it and eject out a battery (you know what I am talking about guys, trying to look like a bad-...-dont-mess-with-me vaper) but I went to the mall and apparently it freaked people out because SWAT showed up 10 minutes later as I was coming out of Bath and Body Works with my wife (which did NOTHING for my bad ... image). They yelled "drop it" I thought they were talking about my Zenesis Ash and I was like "It's not smoke! It's just vaper!" They hit me with the tazers and bean bags from their shotguns (Six bean bags and two tazers! WTH, talk about over kill!). Next thing I know I wake up in a prison cell with some guy asking me if I'm ready for some loving. I didn't want no loving. I had a headache.

You've got talent HauntedMyst

 

[OTownB]

So I will need to carry a second 18650 battery with me. I failed to get a case for this at the vape shop. I went online and found this and ordered it. I am a little nervous because it is made out of aluminum. Is this safe????
Thanks

$6.27 Munkees Water-resistant Outdoors "Pill" Case for Batteries - holds 18650* / 14500 / 10440 / CR123A / AA / AAA at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping


Also with my iTaste VTR I got two Efest V2 IMR 3.7V LI-MN batteries 2000mah. These don't seem to last all that long. Is there a better battery that last longer? Thanks

I use Nalgene Snap Closure Leakproof Vials from The Container Store to carry an extra battery with me. I have been using these for about a year now and the caps always stay on while in my front pocket. They are relatively inexpensive and come in a verity of sizes.

http://www.containerstore.com/shop/travel/bottlesMedication?productId=10018277&N=253

 

[sc12]

Ooh, I like those...thanks for the link.

I use Nalgene Snap Closure Leakproof Vials from The Container Store to carry an extra battery with me. I have been using these for about a year now and the caps always stay on while in my front pocket. They are relatively inexpensive and come in a verity of sizes.

http://www.containerstore.com/shop/travel/bottlesMedication?productId=10018277&N=253

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[cocacola31173]

I just use a old prescription bottle to carry my spare battery in...works and its free!