18650 what Charger do I need?

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Just an FYI before I get started, Im looking for a four channel/bay charger. I have been using my mod to charge my batteries while doing research on chargers. I am confused to say the least. What do I need? Do I need a 35 dollar charger or is a 20 dollar charger going to do the same exact job? whats the advantages of a nitecore d4 over the i4? Is there an advantage of the xtar vc4 or vp4 over the nitecores? Im not rying to buy a charger I don't need so if the cheaper one(s) will charge my batteries just as well as the more expensive ones its good enough for me. On the other hand if the better, more expensive ones, will charge my batteries more properly then I might be able to justify the costs.
 

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Any decent name brand charger that has the feature you want will work.
The difference in pricing is in relation to features.
You'll have to spend some time looking at each model & deciding what features are important to you. They all charge batteries, they all have about the same failure rate.
Nitcore
Xtar
Even though their battery marketing is dishonest the Efest LUC is a good charger.

I have several of each of the above brands, just me my favorite is the efest luc. The only real reason I prefer it is because it has lasted the longest so far & has functioned perfectly.
 

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The Nitecore i4 (I had an i2) is good but can be slow. The same probably applies to the d4. The xtar vc4 is faster, and xtar has a really good reputation (and I love mine). Just remember that you'll need to get a good, minimum 2 amp usb wall adapter to power the charger (at least mine didn't come with one). 1 amp adapters work, but charging will be slow. A more expensive option is the Opus bc-t3100. Can be set to charge four batteries at 200-1000 ma, and four at 200-1000 ma. You can do internal resistance tests (quite rudimentary), charge and discharge tests, etc.

As for efest, their luc chargers have a good reputation, but due to their conduct I will never recommend them. As I've said before, I call for a boycott of all efest products.

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You may be over thinking this.
Because of the way we use our batteries even the very best charger will only extend life span by a few recharge cycles over the less than $60 models.
The various models of efest nitecore xtar can be found in the $17ish ~ $44 price range.

Not at all knocking it;
The Opus bt c3100 is a good charger but it does have a few minor drawbacks, for re charging vaping batteries it isn't any 'better' than the others mentioned.
It has a few more features that you may or may not ever need or use.
 
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You may be way over thinking this.
Because of the way we use our batteries even the very best charger will only extend life span by a few recharge cycles over the less than $60 models.
The various models of efest nitecore xtar can be found in the $17ish ~ $44 price range.

Not at all knocking it;
The Opus bt c3100 is a good charger but it does have a few minor drawbacks, for re charging vaping batteries it isn't any 'better' than the others mentioned.
It has a few more features that you may or may not ever need or use.
What are the drawbacks of the opus?
 

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If you don't want to read the whole review or don't understand it scroll down to the conclusion.
---> Test/Review of Charger Opus BT-C3100 V2.1
Pulse charge signal, peak charge current slightly high.

Other reliable sources that test chargers & batteries had the same results & have the same opinion.
 
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This one. 1969.
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Well, i don't have too much experience with chargers but i can say i have changed in theese 3 years 3 nitecore chargers, while in the same time i have on 2 slot xtar and he is still working flawless. All the nitecore ones i had would last for about 6 months and die on me. 3 of them were i4 where i would get 2 slots malfunctioned in manner that they would stop charging or cut off charging at 3.8V instead of 4.1-4.2...
On the other hand, 2 slot Xtar has fell of from my computer desk, and one of red LED's has stopped working, but both slots are still working flawless and charging to 4.19 exact, each time.
I believe there are failures everywhere, but i would say xtar's failure rate is much much lower than Nitecore, and price wise it's almost a same thing.
In the end, it comes to your own preference ;)
 

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I found the opus for cheap, but it kind of seems to good to be true. Since its a vape shop I figured maybe some of you might be able to say whether or not this site is reputable, or at least if theres a reason I shouldn't order from them.
BT-C3100 4 Bay Charger - Opus

That's indeed a very good price, and it seems to be the newest version as well (2.2, mine is 2.1). Note that the Opus has a fan though so it's not as quiet as the Nitecore i4 etc (it's not loud by any means though). Here's a review of it: Review of Charger Opus BT-C3100 V2.1 (it's of v2.1 though).

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If you don't want to read the whole review or don't understand it scroll down to the conclusion.
---> Test/Review of Charger Opus BT-C3100 V2.1
Pulse charge signal, peak charge current slightly high.

Other reliable sources that test chargers & batteries had the same results & have the same opinion.
Is that particularly bad? in the real world, and in more simple terms, how does that effect the battery? Also is it known that something like the xtar vc4 doesn't do that? I have watched many reviews particularly of the nitecore d4 the xtar vc4 and the opus bt-c3100 and I haven't seen anyone test for that other than the on opus one.

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Is that particularly bad? in the real world, and in more simple terms, how does that effect the battery? Also is it known that something like the xtar vc4 doesn't do that? I have watched many reviews particularly of the nitecore d4 the xtar vc4 and the opus bt-c3100 and I haven't seen anyone test for that other than the on opus one.


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The xtar vc4 is also reviewed on lytge-info (which, btw, is probably the best place to go for charger reviews). Both the Opus and Xtar were deemed good chargers (though I think some Xtars have been deemed great). I'm in no way an expert, but I haven't experienced any ill effects on my batteries from the Opus. It's also good in that I can check if my batteries start holding a lower charge. Basically I could check if there's a change in the internal resistance as well, but better specialised equipment is really needed to test that properly. I love my Xtar vc4, but if I had to choose one charger I'd take the Opus.

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I have two i4s. Bare bones, but they do a good job. One has been in heavy use for 1.5 years. So if you don't care about bells and whistles, it will do fine. Illumn.com has them for about $15.

Now when one dies I'm thinking about the Xtar VC4. I like that 2 slots are larger for 26650s because I have a Stout now. I also like how it shows the mah of the batteries so you can see how much degrading is happening. However, it needs a specific wall wart to work at its maximum so that's like another $7 on top of the cost of the charger.
 

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I have two i4s. Bare bones, but they do a good job. One has been in heavy use for 1.5 years. So if you don't care about bells and whistles, it will do fine. Illumn.com has them for about $15.

Now when one dies I'm thinking about the Xtar VC4. I like that 2 slots are larger for 26650s because I have a Stout now. I also like how it shows the mah of the batteries so you can see how much degrading is happening. However, it needs a specific wall wart to work at its maximum so that's like another $7 on top of the cost of the charger.
It doesn't come with it? What does it come with?
 

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Is that particularly bad? in the real world, and in more simple terms, how does that effect the battery? Also is it known that something like the xtar vc4 doesn't do that? I have watched many reviews particularly of the nitecore d4 the xtar vc4 and the opus bt-c3100 and I haven't seen anyone test for that other than the on opus one.


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Again, you may be over thinking this.
A charger should charge a battery at a suitable rate without ever over charging it.
Most decent chargers on the market will do this.
Efest, Nitecore, Xtar all make good chargers which is a step above decent.

No matter which one you pick, none of them will make any noticeable difference to the average person or the average battery.
Battery life span using any of them will be within a few charge cycles of each other.

Just me, I don't like the PWM of the opus because the high peaks of the pulses are slightly more aggressive almost imperceptibly harsher on the battery than what I like to see.
The only time I've had any concern with the opus is when Ive taken a battery out of a device and put it on the charger with no rest period between use & charge. Meaning the battery was slightly warm / above ambient temp when placed in the charger.
Those few batteries did heat above anything I'm comfortable with while charging, enough so that I removed them let them rest until cool then stuck them right back in the same charger.
There is nothing wrong with the opus unless you like to split hairs or pick nits.
I prefer other chargers over the opus, but I own one and use it occasionally.
 
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It comes with the charger, a pouch, and a cord for the charger. One end of the cord is a standard usb plug that you connect to a wall adapter.

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can you provide a link to the proper power supply? In all my googling I haven't seen what your talking about. Also why would I need a proper wall wart/power supply? What can the charger do with one that it cant do with the one that's supplied with the charger?
 

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can you provide a link to the proper power supply? In all my googling I haven't seen what your talking about. Also why would I need a proper wall wart/power supply? What can the charger do with one that it cant do with the one that's supplied with the charger?
I can't, sorry. I just use the wall wart that came with my Asus t100 tablet (well, I guess I could post a picture of that one...)

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The piece on the left is the wall wart I'm using.

The xtar vc4 doesn't come with a wall wart, that's why you need to get one separately. Any true 2+ amp wall wart will do, I believe many use an iPad wall wart. Many cheaper wall warts are overrated so make sure that you get one that can actually do 2 amps or more.

This is what the xtar comes with. As you can see there's no wall wart.

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I can't, sorry. I just use the wall wart that came with my Asus t100 tablet (well, I guess I could post a picture of that one...)

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The piece on the left is the wall wart I'm using.

The xtar vc4 doesn't come with a wall wart, that's why you need to get one separately. Any true 2+ amp wall wart will do, I believe many use an iPad wall wart. Many cheaper wall warts are overrated so make sure that you get one that can actually do 2 amps or more.

This is what the xtar comes with. As you can see there's no wall wart.

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Edit: seems I couldn't get the pictures to show so I added links to them instead.

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thank you for all the information you have provided. so with a 2+amp wall wart can you charge batteries at a higher amp rating than with whats provided?
 
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