28g/ low res, more advanced?

[vapdivrr]

hey guys, as you might know i love low resistance genesis set-ups. IMO they just perform better. for one i believe a thicker wire like 28 or even 30g has more flavor than a thinner wire. besides the flavor, i also believe that a thicker wire makes for an easier set-up. maybe it is because my wicks are very solid, but i do find that a thicker wire is easier to wrap a wick and believe it holds it shape better. there are other reasons why i like to recommend this set up compared to a thinner wire, higher resistant set-up. i do like to answer questions on this post and try to give an honest opinion when doing so. recently i posted a recommendation of a similiar set-up to a newbie and got some replys, in that they thought that someone just starting out should start out with a higher resistant set-up before diving into a low resistant set-up. to me, i do not equate a lower resistant set up to being more experienced. i try not to recommend anything lower than a 1.3 ohm set up because of the restrictions on some devices. honestly the last thing i would do is to give someone the wrong advise, just because it is the way i do a set-up, like i said before i really believe that a low res set-up can work for someone just starting out and do not believe that you need more experience in doing so. my question is, am i missing something? do most of you guys think that someone should start out with a higher resistant set-up, before diving into the lower end?

 

[B2L]

I use 28g, .9ohm coils and love the vape. My understanding is that the reason that it is considered advanced is not due to difficulty of the set up but the need for proper understanding of the relationship between the batteries used and the ohms. If you are drawing too much off of a given battery with a low resistance coil it can damage the battery and cause catostrophic failure. Advanced users tend to use higher drain batts as opposed to an ego type which can not safely handle the load.

 

[EDO]

Vapidivrr...it is great advice for people who use mechanical devices. But anyone using a Vamo, Provari v1, Lavatube...etc.... It isn't very good advice because like you mentioned the low ohm restrictions of the vv/vw devices. To make a 28g wire work on a Vamo you need to do 10-12 wraps depending on the wick diameter...the heat sink effect just kills it. Believe me I have tried...it sucks...since it so unresponsive. If they ever make a VW device that has a 0.6ohm cutoff....I would switch over to 28g kanthal in a heart beat....but until then I have to use 32g wire.

 

[WinchellNomNom]

Vapidivrr...it is great advice for people who use mechanical devices. But anyone using a Vamo, Provari v1, Lavatube...etc.... It isn't very good advice because like you mentioned the low ohm restrictions of the vv/vw devices. To make a 28g wire work on a Vamo you need to do 10-12 wraps depending on the wick diameter...the heat sink effect just kills it. Believe me I have tried...it sucks...since it so unresponsive. If they ever make a VW device that has a 0.6ohm cutoff....I would switch over to 28g kanthal in a heart beat....but until then I have to use 32g wire.

What about 6-8 wraps with 30awg on a vv?

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[dhomes]

Oh gap. I didn't mentioned on the last three, all my devices are VV/VW. On my provari I needed 10 wraps for a 1.2 ohm coil. Not with it IMO. But I jus pre ordered my first mechinal. Once that gets here I will surely try 28 again

 

[Thrasher]

part of it is the electronic mods not handling the load like said already.
and then when starting out , if someone is new the last thing they need to play with is a 7 wrap coil to try and space correctly and adjust. the 32g idea is it will be easier for a noob to get the feeling of properly spacing and playing with the coil, get the experience of building down and not have a buttload of errors on their mods while doing it.

 

[EDO]

Winchell...like Trasher said in the post above...if your starting out 6-8 coils is going to be a major PINTA. An 6-8 wrap 30g coil is still going to be pretty unresponsive on a Vamo compared to a 4 wrap 32g coil....even if both of them are roughly in 1.6-1.8 ohm range. Again the heat sink effect of the SS mesh kills it. When I want a mellower but a richer vape I do a 6 wrap coil with 30 g wire on a 2.5mm wick. The response time is acceptable but not ideal.

Now if you have a Provari V2 you can get away with using 4wraps of 30g wire since it can handle lower ohm setups...You can also get away with using 28g wire but it might be a PINTA because your coils will end up being near the cutoff. Vapdivrr gets away with it because he oxidizes his wicks with great care and effort. Also note when Vapdivrr mentions he does 4 wraps...his wicks are about 3+mm in diameter.

 

[WinchellNomNom]

Winchell...like Trasher said in the post above...if your starting out 6-8 coils is going to be a major PINTA. An 6-8 wrap 30g coil is still going to be pretty unresponsive on a Vamo compared to a 4 wrap 32g coil....even if both of them are roughly in 1.6-1.8 ohm range. Again the heat sink effect of the SS mesh kills it. When I want a mellower but a richer vape I do a 6 wrap coil with 30 g wire on a 2.5mm wick. The response time is acceptable but not ideal.

Now if you have a Provari V2 you can get away with using 4wraps of 30g wire since it can handle lower ohm setups...You can also get away with using 28g wire but it might be a PINTA because your coils will end up being near the cutoff. Vapdivrr gets away with it because he oxidizes his wicks with great care and effort. Also note when Vapdivrr mentions he does 4 wraps...his wicks are about 3+mm in diameter.

Looks like I need to get a decent mechanical mod then. I'm very new to rba and vaping in general, but i enjoy tinkering with my wicks and coils.

I have ordered 28, 30, and 32awg kanthal plus 30 and 32 awg nichrome 60 just to see what it's all about. For mesh I have 325, 400, and 500. My juice mixes vary from 50/50, to 100%vg. I hear conflicting things about how well mesh wicks at different density with varying mixes of juice. I'm rambling :-\

I want to be able to ninja vanish in a puff a vapor eventually.

I Still haven't received my vamo, so I'm still not sure about everything.

Ty for the response

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[st0nedpenguin]

28ga and a solid wick definitely takes longer to get running, but once it does warm up it's well worth it.

I can see how it might be an issue for people who just like to take short sharp drags, but for us chimney vaping fans it's great.

 

[WinchellNomNom]

28ga and a solid wick definitely takes longer to get running, but once it does warm up it's well worth it.

I can see how it might be an issue for people who just like to take short sharp drags, but for us chimney vaping fans it's great.

I'm not a smoker, im looking for more of a hobby. The goal is plumes of vapor. Sounds weird huh?

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[Thrasher]

I'm not a smoker, im looking for more of a hobby. The goal is plumes of vapor. Sounds weird huh?

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yes it does especially when the hobby has a very addictive drug attached.

 

[j4mmin42]

hey guys, as you might know i love low resistance genesis set-ups. IMO they just perform better. for one i believe a thicker wire like 28 or even 30g has more flavor than a thinner wire. besides the flavor, i also believe that a thicker wire makes for an easier set-up. maybe it is because my wicks are very solid, but i do find that a thicker wire is easier to wrap a wick and believe it holds it shape better. there are other reasons why i like to recommend this set up compared to a thinner wire, higher resistant set-up. i do like to answer questions on this post and try to give an honest opinion when doing so. recently i posted a recommendation of a similiar set-up to a newbie and got some replys, in that they thought that someone just starting out should start out with a higher resistant set-up before diving into a low resistant set-up. to me, i do not equate a lower resistant set up to being more experienced. i try not to recommend anything lower than a 1.3 ohm set up because of the restrictions on some devices. honestly the last thing i would do is to give someone the wrong advise, just because it is the way i do a set-up, like i said before i really believe that a low res set-up can work for someone just starting out and do not believe that you need more experience in doing so. my question is, am i missing something? do most of you guys think that someone should start out with a higher resistant set-up, before diving into the lower end?

TL; DR (except your quoted post)

I don't recommend starting out on a high-res setup unless the vaper in question is interested in trying one, or has a specific PV that requires it, etc. I also don't recommend super-low-ohm coils unless the person has the correct setup for it.

Basically, the equipment at hand will determine what I recommend. In an ideal situation, where someone has cash and wants a totally new setup, I would recommend a low-ohm, DC vape setup like the ones I use.

It is actually more difficult to set up a coil when there's extra wraps involved; The less wraps, the less there is to go wrong, especially with a responsive wire like 28 gauge. I used to recommend 32 gauge, and I still do with beginners that are looking for a build to use on VV mods...but one thing people tend to forget is that the number of wraps on your coil, wire gauge, and the resulting total surface area that's in contact with the wick, really affects the vapor production and quality. I would say it's more important to get that right than trying to mess with VV systems to try and "fine-tune" your vape on a genesis atomizer- because genesis atomizers just don't respond the same way to power adjustments as regular atomizers do. With 28 gauge, a higher-resistance setup can be much harder for the wick to keep up with, because of how much juice is being ran through it so quickly.

For this reason, a low-ohm, 3 to 5 wrap of 28 gauge on an unregulated 4 volts, and a solid 4-500 mesh wick, seems to be the sweet spot for 28 gauge builds (maybe even ALL builds, although I hvent tried 26 gauge or ribbon yet).

 

[j4mmin42]

Looks like I need to get a decent mechanical mod then. I'm very new to rba and vaping in general, but i enjoy tinkering with my wicks and coils.


I want to be able to ninja vanish in a puff a vapor eventually.


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Yeah, a genesis your Vamo (which I would recommend you start with 32 or 30 gauge on) won't give you serious ninja vapes...

...but 28 gauge on a solid mech mod will

...I've been waiting to use that line for awhile now.

 

[WinchellNomNom]

yes it does especially when the hobby has a very addictive drug attached.

No need to have nicotine in juice. That attachment is a choice.

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[vapdivrr]

thanks to all for the info, in my set-ups i actually do 28g with only 4 to 5 wraps which gives me around 1.0 to 1.1 ohms, i guess because the 2 gennys i do this on have very large diameter wick holes i was thinking that most could do a 5/6 wrap of 28g to get a resistance of about 1.3, which would work on these vv devices with low ohm cut offs, but i see now that most wicks are smaller and that it would take too many wraps, which i really do not like or recommend either. personally i think 5 wraps on a coil is max because anything over that does take to long to get going. also i always recommend high drain batterys, for sure, ever since i started with genesis atomizers aw imr batterys are a must in my opinion. so thanks B2L for bringing up this point. you know, for me there is no better feeling to help people with these devices, for i think that if the dont get them working that they will go back to smoking cigarettes, so alot of the time we might respond to quickly with an answer, without getting all of the particular information that has a bearing on answer. so now i will strive to find out as much as possible before making reccomedations. the last thing someone needs is to go backwards with these devices, because they can take some time getting right. and like i had mentioned in a previous post, that i think it is important for people looking for advise to look at all the responses from multiple people as a whole and make a opinion based on that, rather from one persons opinion soley. i just want everyone to be as happy with their set-ups as i am with mine, but with so many variables it is hard for one's set-up to work for others. so now i want everyone out there to buy a provari v-2 and a mechanical mod and do my set-ups, just kidding. different strokes.

 

[Rule62]

I don't use mechanical mods. All of my vaping is done with either VV or VW mods. For me, it makes no sense to use single voltage mechanicals, and rely only on coil resistance to determine quality of the vape, when constant voltage, variable voltage,or variable wattage are available. Even with the same juice, my sweet spot may change, throughout the day. Sometimes, I may want a hotter vape; sometimes I may want my vape a little cooler. Some juices are complex enough that there are different nuances to the flavor, depending on the wattage they're vaped. I build my coils at ~2.0Ω, with 32ga kanthal, because this range gives me the latitude to vary the output, through the range my devices will allow. This is something that can't be done with mechanicals. Whatever resistance you've built your coil; that's what you get. You can't go up or down. I am, however, finding myself lately using less mesh in my wicks, because they act as less of a heat sink, thereby allowing me to lower the voltage/wattage required to reach the sweet spot.

 

[WinchellNomNom]

Dbl post. Still getting use to tapatalk

 

[WinchellNomNom]

I don't use mechanical mods. All of my vaping is done with either VV or VW mods. For me, it makes no sense to use single voltage mechanicals, and rely only on coil resistance to determine quality of the vape, when constant voltage, variable voltage,or variable wattage are available. Even with the same juice, my sweet spot may change, throughout the day. Sometimes, I may want a hotter vape; sometimes I may want my vape a little cooler. Some juices are complex enough that there are different nuances to the flavor, depending on the wattage they're vaped. I build my coils at ~2.0Ω, with 32ga kanthal, because this range gives me the latitude to vary the output, through the range my devices will allow. This is something that can't be done with mechanicals. Whatever resistance you've built your coil; that's what you get. You can't go up or down. I am, however, finding myself lately using less mesh in my wicks, because they act as less of a heat sink, thereby allowing me to lower the voltage/wattage required to reach the sweet spot.

When you say less mesh, are you meaning that you use a smaller diameter solid wick or a loose rolled wick?

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[j4mmin42]

I don't use mechanical mods. All of my vaping is done with either VV or VW mods. For me, it makes no sense to use single voltage mechanicals, and rely only on coil resistance to determine quality of the vape, when constant voltage, variable voltage,or variable wattage are available. Even with the same juice, my sweet spot may change, throughout the day. Sometimes, I may want a hotter vape; sometimes I may want my vape a little cooler. Some juices are complex enough that there are different nuances to the flavor, depending on the wattage they're vaped. I build my coils at ~2.0Ω, with 32ga kanthal, because this range gives me the latitude to vary the output, through the range my devices will allow. This is something that can't be done with mechanicals. Whatever resistance you've built your coil; that's what you get. You can't go up or down. I am, however, finding myself lately using less mesh in my wicks, because they act as less of a heat sink, thereby allowing me to lower the voltage/wattage required to reach the sweet spot.

We have always had different methods of getting to the same place, vape-wise; And with the right setup on a mech mod, you actually get to the point that instead of noticing a drop-off in power, you need to be careful not to over-discharge! I'm not convinced that varying the voltage is the best way to adjust the vape on genesis builds, but as always we shall agree to disagree.

My question is, since I never really took my 32 gauge VV builds very far, has 2 ohms appeared to be the sweet spot for you for your setups? What voltage do you run your coils at?

 

[vapdivrr]

I don't use mechanical mods. All of my vaping is done with either VV or VW mods. For me, it makes no sense to use single voltage mechanicals, and rely only on coil resistance to determine quality of the vape, when constant voltage, variable voltage,or variable wattage are available. Even with the same juice, my sweet spot may change, throughout the day. Sometimes, I may want a hotter vape; sometimes I may want my vape a little cooler. Some juices are complex enough that there are different nuances to the flavor, depending on the wattage they're vaped. I build my coils at ~2.0Ω, with 32ga kanthal, because this range gives me the latitude to vary the output, through the range my devices will allow. This is something that can't be done with mechanicals. Whatever resistance you've built your coil; that's what you get. You can't go up or down. I am, however, finding myself lately using less mesh in my wicks, because they act as less of a heat sink, thereby allowing me to lower the voltage/wattage required to reach the sweet spot.

one question, have you ever vaped a mechanical mod with 28g, and a resistance under 1 ohm? you may think that you just dont like vaping that much wattage, based upon high resistance hi wattage, but i will tell you that low resistance, hi wattage is different, its so smooth and thick, i know you would like it. well then again maybe you have tried it and just prefer oyur type of set-up, and thats awesome. but if you have not tried it, then i wouldnt be so quick to say that it does not make any sense.