2nd hand vapor
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I wouldn't. It's to early to tell if second hand vapor has any short/long term effects.
In an enclosed space, you expose them to nicotine. Want your kids to catch a nicotine buzz? Vape in an enclosed space with them.
You also expose them to any allergens in the flavoring. Someone used a peanut butter flavor next to me once. Had to go for some benedryl.
I don't vape in my house to keep it away from the kids.
You also expose them to any allergens in the flavoring. Someone used a peanut butter flavor next to me once. Had to go for some benedryl.
I don't vape in my house to keep it away from the kids.
On a 12 hr car trip, that child and everyone else on the road would be in a great deal more danger if I DIDN'T vape.
Just make sure there is ventilation -- I doubt if some vapor will be harmful, but sitting in a cloud of it probably doesn't do anyone a lot of good, and would certainly make for poor driving conditions.
I smoked in the house when my son was a baby. He managed to grow up, and survive to his current age of nearly-27. I vape in my mother's house, and she has COPD, and has zero problems with my vapor.
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Just make sure there is ventilation -- I doubt if some vapor will be harmful, but sitting in a cloud of it probably doesn't do anyone a lot of good, and would certainly make for poor driving conditions.
I smoked in the house when my son was a baby. He managed to grow up, and survive to his current age of nearly-27. I vape in my mother's house, and she has COPD, and has zero problems with my vapor.
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crack a window.... thats it. but you would do that anyways. Its LOADS better than smokes... about the same as city air. dont worry so much... crack a window. Youll be fine
There aren't enough scientific studies to prove the case one way or the other. But to be on the safe side, it is probably not a good idea to vape around children/young adults under 18. Imagery is key to this. A child especially really can't tell if you are vaping from a ego twist or even a box mod as opposed to a regular smoke cigarette. So the message will come across mixed. I agree along with most vapors, if not all, anyone under 18 shouldn't be purchasing any e cigarettes and/or liquid because in regards to e cigarettes, there is battery safety or awareness involved and e liquid does contain nicotine and if ingested can and/or will, dependent on the size of the person and amount ingested, do quite a lot of harm. So to be on the safe side, vape all you like but not around children or young adults UNTIL there is more long term studies conducted that say with absolute certainty that it's safe to vape around anyone under 18 years of age.
That's just my humble opinion.
That's just my humble opinion.
I don't have the links handy but there has been studies done, one very recently, it is safe.
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The FQPA Safety Factor (as required by the Food Quality Protection Act of 1996) is intended to provide an additional 10-fold safety factor (10X), to protect for special sensitivity in infants and children to specific pesticide residues in food, drinking water, or residential exposures, or to compensate for an incomplete database. The FQPA Safety Factor has been removed (i.e., reduced to 1X) for propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol because there is no pre- or post-natal evidence for increased susceptibility following exposure. Further, the Agency has concluded that there are no endpoints of concern for oral, dermal, or inhalation exposure to propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol based on the low toxicity observed in studies conducted near or above testing limit doses as established in the OPPTS 870 series harmonized test guidelines. Therefore, quantitative risk assessment was not conducted for propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol."
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" 2. FQPA Safety Factor
The FQPA Safety Factor (as required by the Food Quality Protection Act of 1996) is intended to provide an additional 10-fold safety factor (10X), to protect for special sensitivity in infants and children to specific pesticide residues in food, drinking water, or residential exposures, or to compensate for an incomplete database. The FQPA Safety Factor has been removed (i.e., reduced to 1X) for propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol because there is no pre- or post-natal evidence for increased susceptibility following exposure. Further, the Agency has concluded that there are no endpoints of concern for oral, dermal, or inhalation exposure to propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol based on the low toxicity observed in studies conducted near or above testing limit doses as established in the OPPTS 870 series harmonized test guidelines. Therefore, quantitative risk assessment was not conducted for propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol."
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http://www.epa.gov/oppsrrd1/reregistration/REDs/propylene_glycol_red.pdf
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Very well, then if it is safe, then I guess it is up to the parent to decide if vaping in front of a child is okay until it is contrary to the law. Personally, if I had a child at a very young age I wouldn't do it because their reasoning level is quite low also what choice would they have as well as the imagery brought to the child can be very well mixed: is an e cigarette or is it a analog cigarette or is a toy. in other words, best side with caution. but always good to read there is a study out there that says it is safe.
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" 2. FQPA Safety Factor
The FQPA Safety Factor (as required by the Food Quality Protection Act of 1996) is intended to provide an additional 10-fold safety factor (10X), to protect for special sensitivity in infants and children to specific pesticide residues in food, drinking water, or residential exposures, or to compensate for an incomplete database. The FQPA Safety Factor has been removed (i.e., reduced to 1X) for propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol because there is no pre- or post-natal evidence for increased susceptibility following exposure. Further, the Agency has concluded that there are no endpoints of concern for oral, dermal, or inhalation exposure to propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol based on the low toxicity observed in studies conducted near or above testing limit doses as established in the OPPTS 870 series harmonized test guidelines. Therefore, quantitative risk assessment was not conducted for propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol."
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So...uh...what does it say about heated, then inhaled, then exhaled propylene glycol with vegetable glycerin, with flavoring, and with or without nicotine?
According to the link provided "The study only focused on measuring data on the vapor emitted by devices themselves. They did not conduct any research on the biological impact of vaping such as its effect on the respiratory system."
When it comes down to it, unless it is contrary to law, it is ultimately left up to the parent. Like I said, personally I wouldn't vape around a child if I had one. I am sure there needs to be more testing and this is one of the reasons I am solely against the FDA rushing to judgment, because the FDA itself does not have enough scientific evidence that exhaled vapor causes any harm to the innocent bystander. But when it comes to a child, who has very little choice in the matter, in its environment, personally, I will side with caution.
But to each his own and I am sure there will be differing opinions on this because there are just not enough conclusive studies or evidence to move the meter to either of the far ends of is it safe or is it not safe. Caution should be key to this matter in regards to a child especially a child at such a young age.
Is it safe to buy new carpet or furniture for in your home?
Is it safe to make a pot of coffee and consume it near a child?
Is it safe to use aerosol fragrance sprays or aroma therapy scented candles in your home?
Is it safe to let your child breath the air in a big city or along a busy street?
As long as you put a window down a little bit for ventilation, most of the vapor will get sucked out.
Orders of magnitude safer then burning tobacco cigarettes. What in this world won't kill you if you get to much of it?
Is it safe to make a pot of coffee and consume it near a child?
Is it safe to use aerosol fragrance sprays or aroma therapy scented candles in your home?
Is it safe to let your child breath the air in a big city or along a busy street?
As long as you put a window down a little bit for ventilation, most of the vapor will get sucked out.
Orders of magnitude safer then burning tobacco cigarettes. What in this world won't kill you if you get to much of it?
When it comes to infants and young children, always err on the side of caution. If there aren't any peer reviewed, published studies or medical journals regarding second hand vapor and children, don't expose them to it.
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Depends on the room size and ventilation available. A tiny bedroom in the winter with windows shut might not be wise. A large room, with open window(s), less risky. Proximity to the child also plays a factor, I wouldnt advise vaping with them on your lap, but if they're across the room, less risky.
If a window is cracked for ventialtion, AND the child has a proven track history of being tolerable of exposure to the exact juice, then I'd call that safe. I include the exposure history, because 300 miles from home, on the side of the interstate, is not where you want a toddler having an allergic reaction.
Multiple studies of varying credibility on the negative effects of secondhand vapor. Most indications show no serious adverse effects.
Infants-Toddlers: Move away from them, to a cracked window on the other side of the room, or step outside if someone else can attend them.
Kids-Teens: Still vape at a distance, but you also have to get into the psychological game, cause they will be curious. I had to have a grown up conversation with my neice of 12 about what Uncle Signmaker was doing, why he was doing it, and why it's not something she wants to get into.
If the concern is about nicotine, I understand the point. If the concern is about the vapor, then one should never take their child to any venue that uses a fog machine. (Concerts, theatres, haunted houses, Disneyland, etc.)
is vaping harming you? do the kids have allergies? if not, open a window a tad and watch the vape get sucked out the car 
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