2nd hand vapor

[AndriaD]

I'm saying, "How about we assume it's bad until we know it's safe?" Which I don't think is a ridiculous thing to ask.

This is the ANTZ position, EXACTLY. Despite the fact that there are MILLIONS of products that the FDA deems "safe" which are a great deal more hazardous than vapor, somehow vaping is the exception and must prove itself to be "100% safe for everyone all the time" before they'll go along with it -- because they know damn well that nothing in the world is "100% safe for everyone all the time".

You cannot trust "peer reviewed" any longer, because all those "peers" doing the reviewing are as bought-and-paid-for as the ANTZ doing whatever "research" (that kind that starts out with what they want to find, then "adjusts" the test so it shows that -- like burning up an e-cig till it's charcoal and then saying "OMG, formaldehyde!").

Andria

 

[nyiddle]

This is the ANTZ position, EXACTLY. Despite the fact that there are MILLIONS of products that the FDA deems "safe" which are a great deal more hazardous than vapor, somehow vaping is the exception and must prove itself to be "100% safe for everyone all the time" before they'll go along with it -- because they know damn well that nothing in the world is "100% safe for everyone all the time".

You cannot trust "peer reviewed" any longer, because all those "peers" doing the reviewing are as bought-and-paid-for as the ANTZ doing whatever "research" (that kind that starts out with what they want to find, then "adjusts" the test so it shows that -- like burning up an e-cig till it's charcoal and then saying "OMG, formaldehyde!").

Andria

That's not really the argument here (whether or not vaping is "safe" in general). I don't doubt it's safer than many other FDA-approved products, and it's definitely safer than cigarettes.

Is it 100% safe? How can you say that? How can you be so sure? Because you "feel better"? Well that's fine and dandy, and I'm happy for you (and all of us) for quitting cigarettes, which wouldn't have been possible without vaping, but to say it's 100% safe seems brazen and unnecessary. To take it a step further (and bring it back to the relevance of this thread), would you want to subject your kids to something which may, POSSIBLY, not be safe? Do you want to take that avoidable risk?

I want it to be safe as much as the next guy, but nobody has posted a single article which identifies and acknowledges both sides of the argument. It's either "here's an article that says it's 100% safe" and it's some sketchy News source that nobody's ever heard of. The alternative is a clearly-biased FOX news article. A true journal or study will say what the opposition is saying, explain how the study is going to prove that wrong (or right), and then proceeds to do just that. Studies which vaguely state vaping is less harmful than cigarettes aren't really saying anything at all.

 

[Frenchfry1942]

It is now just myself and my wife. But, if I crack the window about 3/4" and turn the fan up I notice the vapor going straight to the crack. Probably not perfect.

Also, I don't make clouds is such situations.

 

[93gc40]

Since the second hand SMOKE dangers are a HOAX and a LIE.. I will say that since it is believed that vaping is 90% healthier than smoking.. You could pretty much be assured that second hand vape is at least 90% healthier than second hand smoke. Beyond that make your own decision. Quit believing what you are told by ELECTRONIC means.

Fact is children are safer now than at any time in history.......... They are more likely to be taken by CPS, for playing in a park or vaping/smoking parent, than to have a kidnapper even look in their direction.

 

[KattMamma]

If you only want to expose children to things that have been proven to be 100% safe, you're going to have to put them in a hermetically sealed bubble. There is no such thing as 100% safe. "As safe as the air you'd normally breathe" is about as good as it's going to get (and maybe even safer, given the antiseptic qualities of PG, which is why some hospitals use it to treat their air).

 

[Mogar]

Wow, a lot of the replies here are just like the standard populace responses... Snap comments with no real information other than their own (often misguided and incorrect) information.
Remember what we release when we exhale the vape.
Nic - most (yes not all) is absorbed on being brought into the body, some will come out on exhale. The amount is dependent on what you are vaping... however there are many studies that show what second hand nic can do to people as well as the dispersion amount. Basically, unless you are shotgunning your infant, I highly doubt that they will have any that will enter their system.
VG - Again multiple studies.... Unless your child has an allergy it is well within the "safe" levels
PG - This stuff is literally pumped into the air in hospitals as it is antibacterial.
Flavoring - This is where the "safe stuff" ends. Depending on where you are getting it and what you are pumping out of your stick, this will be what you are blowing out. Granted as with the Nic studies, the level that is being put out is miniscule and generally (yes generally as there are some that probably would not be safe first hand) safe.

someone stated that your kids will see you puffing away and want to try it themselves.... that is education. Talk with the kiddos and educate them. If they want to do it, they will, if not they wont. IE... Be a parent.

 

[skoony]

I'd say don't do it around your kid, but then again, I'd be the type that wouldn't let a kid see me smoking a cigarette.

Everyone's jumping on the, "It's definitely safe," bandwagon. There isn't enough evidence. To say otherwise is certainly hopeful, but not accurate.

to imply vaping is not safe seems to me to be disingenuous.
there is no study showing actual harm nor any vaper
has been shown to have been harmed by the normal use
of e-cigs.
however parents should make the call yay or nay.
regards
mike

 

[Robert Cromwell]

There are no studies saying is is unsafe to vape acetone either, does that mean it is safe?

And what is the normal use of ecigs?
How many ml per day? Nic level? PG/VG ratio? Watts?

We are in uncharted territory and very little is actually known.

 

[skoony]

Lol if you think this is an accurate, unbiased article, then there's no point arguing here. This is not peer-reviewed or scholarly in the least. It's "garbage" as I said.

Call me an "ANTZ" or whatever you want, but you're speaking based on what you hope to be true. I'm speaking based on cautious logic which dictates, "It'd be safer if you didn' t vape around your kids." I'm not saying "Don't vape around your kids or they'll die!" I'm saying, "How about we assume it's bad until we know it's safe?" Which I don't think is a ridiculous thing to ask.

If someone has some scholarly articles which prove me wrong, I'd be HAPPY to read them. I have yet to see anything like that, though.

ok,ok,i'll concede that no one should not vape around children using
something that has been proven to as hazardous as drinking tap
water.
regards

mike

 

[skoony]

There are no studies saying is is unsafe to vape acetone either, does that mean it is safe?

And what is the normal use of ecigs?
How many ml per day? Nic level? PG/VG ratio? Watts?

We are in uncharted territory and very little is actually known.

i am in very well charted territory where a lot is known but
seemingly ignored.
vaping is as safe as drinking tap water and tap water is heavily
regulated to make it as safe as vaping.
regards
mike

 

[nyiddle]

There are no studies saying is is unsafe to vape acetone either, does that mean it is safe?

And what is the normal use of ecigs?
How many ml per day? Nic level? PG/VG ratio? Watts?

This is the point I think everyone is missing. I'm not saying vaping is bad for you, and I'm not saying it's safe either. I'm saying we don't know, given current information, what possible repercussions the future could hold. The correct answer to, "Is vaping safe?" is "We don't know yet."

Is that a reason to ban it? Absolutely not! Does that mean it's safe? Well, no! Until concrete, scientific evidence comes out either way -- and some studies which exist already seem to suggest that vaping is far safer than smoking (which kind of seems obvious to me) -- it's a lie to say that you KNOW vaping is safe.

What, you think I want the FDA to try and take my e-cigarette away from me? You think I want to see e-liquids taxed? Are you thick? There's no point in critical thinking, or a forum at all, if everyone says the same thing. If we're all sticking to the opposite spectrum from the ANTZ it really takes away a lot of our credibility. A person who truly knows a subject, or is truly interested in learning it, will figure out ALL sides of the argument, not just the side of the argument that they agree with.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Yep far safer than cigs. However not safer than drinking tap water. Try drinking some ejuice.

Warning do not drink ejuice you could die.

 

[skoony]

Yep far safer than cigs. However not safer than drinking tap water. Try drinking some ejuice.

Warning do not drink ejuice you could die.

ha,ha,that's funny.
seriously,with well over a thousand studies indicating that vaping
is magnitudes of order safer than smoking the over
all consensus puts it at 3 to 5 magnitudes of order
safer. at 3 magnitudes of order safer an equivalent
substance having the same potential for harm would
be tap water. at 5 magnitudes it is as safe as anything
could possibly be.
regards
mike

 

[VapieDan]

I had some friends many years ago before health was "Fashionable" that had a son that they protected from everything. Air cleaners in the house. Could not smoke near him. Constant trips to various medical types. Food scrutinized for anything bad. He died at the age 40 of a rare cancer. Perhaps living in a bubble ......s the immune system. It's your call. If you are not comfortable, and obviously you are not, don't do it.

 

[ImThatGuy]

Yay for propaganda!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxNM1pUoOn4&sns=fb

 

[Woofer]

Good grief the last thing you need to worry about concerning child safety is vapor.
There are so many real dangers, pick a worthy cause.
How about all the prescription meds in municipal water sources, none of which removed by current water treatment plants.

I can only conclude that as a species we are all but done.

 

[AndriaD]

That's not really the argument here (whether or not vaping is "safe" in general). I don't doubt it's safer than many other FDA-approved products, and it's definitely safer than cigarettes.

Is it 100% safe? How can you say that? How can you be so sure? Because you "feel better"? Well that's fine and dandy, and I'm happy for you (and all of us) for quitting cigarettes, which wouldn't have been possible without vaping, but to say it's 100% safe seems brazen and unnecessary. To take it a step further (and bring it back to the relevance of this thread), would you want to subject your kids to something which may, POSSIBLY, not be safe? Do you want to take that avoidable risk?

I want it to be safe as much as the next guy, but nobody has posted a single article which identifies and acknowledges both sides of the argument. It's either "here's an article that says it's 100% safe" and it's some sketchy News source that nobody's ever heard of. The alternative is a clearly-biased FOX news article. A true journal or study will say what the opposition is saying, explain how the study is going to prove that wrong (or right), and then proceeds to do just that. Studies which vaguely state vaping is less harmful than cigarettes aren't really saying anything at all.

I never said it was 100% safe. that's the standard that the ANTZ want.

Andria

 

[EJAB]

http://vapeaboutit.com/study-finds-conclusive-evidence-vapor-is-safe/

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0273230014002505

Read the whole article. The article states their limited findings and that their findings do not "support" that second hand vapor is 100% safe. These are limited studies and ANY person familiar/working in the medical field knows this.

 

[ImThatGuy]

Read the whole article. The article states their limited findings and that their findings do not "support" that second hand vapor is 100% safe. These are limited studies and ANY person familiar/working in the medical field knows this.

^ Uh yeah...I never claimed anything. I just posted links because the previous poster couldn't find any.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Wow. The ANTZ have done their job. Now we have vapers saying don't let your kids see you exhale water vapor because it looks like smoke.

In no way it is a "water vapor". Time to learn it.