30 amp batteries, worth it?

[Phone Guy]

Are the 30 ano high drain batteries worth it? I've got several that are 10 amp, none that are 30amp.

I've seen the Sony VT4 (2100 mAh vs the 1600 mAh on the VT3)

And the mnke LiMn 30amp, I usually like name brand batteries (Samsung,Panasonic,Sony,etc....)

Curious what your opinion is.

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[Thrasher]

only if you need the power. other then that not really unless one your looking at has a better discharge curve then something you already own

 

[Rader2146]

I have a couple Samsung INR18650-20R's and they are performing extremely well. So far I havent seen a 18650 that has tested better, and that includes the AW 1600, VTC3, and MNKE. Higher discharge rating doesn't necessarily mean better performance.

For a sub-ohm mech mod, I'd say they are currently the cat's .... For a >1.0Ω mech or a regulated device the NCR18650PD or PF will give you longer run time, but at slightly lower voltage under load (aka voltage drop).

 

[State O' Flux]

Are the 30 ano high drain batteries worth it?

Just do the math on the lowest resistance you'll ever go to... and you'll have your answer, for you.

 

[Phone Guy]

Just do the math on the lowest resistance you'll ever go to... and you'll have your answer, for you.

Um....ok, how?

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[Traver]

Ohms calculator;
Ohm's Law Calculator

 

[State O' Flux]

Um....ok, how?

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Using a ohms law calculator. There are a zillion of them on the web, but I use this one. Lets take a basic mech and sub-ohm set-up. Our atty example is just a generic 2 coil RDA.

We build 2 matching 26 ga, 0.8Ω compressed coils. As you know, using 2 coils in parallel means we divide the resistance of 1 coil by 2 to give us our net resistance... of 0.4Ω.

We enter 0.4Ω as our resistance value, and 4.0v as our voltage... and hit the button. 40 watts and 10 amps. With a 10a battery... we've max'd it out. Raise the battery voltage, and we exceed it. Lower the resistance to 0.2Ω and watch what happens - the required amperage doubles. That's why you may, or may not, need a high drain battery. Cool?

 

[Phone Guy]

State, your explanations are exceptional! Many thanks brother man...Many thanks to all of you.

Unless I go sub ohm, looks like my 10amp batteries are just fine.

I'm adventuring in to mech mods, but not sub ohm yet.

Again big thanks guys!

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[State O' Flux]

State, your explanations are exceptional! Many thanks brother man...Many thanks to all of you.

Unless I go sub ohm, looks like my 10amp batteries are just fine.

I'm adventuring in to mech mods, but not sub ohm yet.

Again big thanks guys!

Any time.

... I'm not much of a cloud chaser, so although I played with it for awhile, I don't fool around much below 0.7Ω anymore... everything I want is there, and above - mostly above. ;-)

 

[Phone Guy]

That's exactly what I'm doing, cloud chasing....but I'm new too

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[edyle]

ttttttttt.....hhhhhhh.......iiiiiiiiiiiiii.................irrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.........................tttttttttttttttt.yyyyyyyyyyyyyy........AMPS!!!!

Are you CRAZY!!!

okokokok;; nothing wrong if the battery is capable of 30 amps, but its not going to be something you need for an ecig;


but it could be usefull for some other attachment.

 

[State O' Flux]

That's exactly what I'm doing, cloud chasing....but I'm new too

I think a lot of us go through it. I'm sure Thrasher and Rader have... and I'm guessing they've backed off a bit and are more flavor hunters. I know I am. I spend more time at around 1.5Ω than any other resistance, but then, I've only got a few RDAs left.

Now... see, I'm lying. I just now built a 24 (that's right, I said 24) gauge single coil at 0.6Ω... just to see what'd happen.

 

[Phone Guy]

Whoa that's some big wire

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[metamorpheus]

I think a lot of us go through it. I'm sure Thrasher and Rader have... and I'm guessing they've backed off a bit and are more flavor hunters. I know I am. I spend more time at around 1.5Ω than any other resistance, but then, I've only got a few RDAs left.

Now... see, I'm lying. I just now built a 24 (that's right, I said 24) gauge single coil at 0.6Ω... just to see what'd happen.

Have seen the video with the tankometer and with the Sony 30A batteries the guy was getting 3.81 as the high for voltage on a .26ish coil which is really good for that kind of load. I own 2 sony 30A batteries for my mech and 2 panny cgr batteries for my regulated device. Initial battery curve is very nice. I feel safer using a battery that can handle 30A continuous draw in case I have a small short. I usually test my resistance and then pulse the button for a few seconds away from my face to check if it glows right.

On a side note, the 24 Gauge rocks. Wrap it 6 times with touching compressed wraps on a 1/8 inch bit, twist some XC-116 through, and push a blunt tip needle through the core of the ceramic to expand it into the wick slightly more. After sanding down the air flow controller on my V11, boring the air hole to 1/8, and adding this setup, my V11 went from chump to cloud monster champ. I no longer use my Igo-W. My resistance came to .571 and the VP/TH beats the dual and triple coils I have built so far with 30Ga nano coils at the same resistance. Way better than 24 Gauge with cotton as well.

 

[Rader2146]

okokokok;; nothing wrong if the battery is capable of 30 amps, but its not going to be something you need for an ecig;


but it could be usefull for some other attachment.

There are many benefits to a high discharge battery, even if you're only using 20% of its rating. Usually a higher discharge rating means a lower internal resistance. Lower internal resistance will give you less voltage drop, longer battery life, and the ability to vape a higher resistance coil and achieve the same performance as a battery with a higher internal resistance with a lower resistance coil.

I think a lot of us go through it. I'm sure Thrasher and Rader have... and I'm guessing they've backed off a bit and are more flavor hunters. I know I am. I spend more time at around 1.5Ω than any other resistance, but then, I've only got a few RDAs left.

Now... see, I'm lying. I just now built a 24 (that's right, I said 24) gauge single coil at 0.6Ω... just to see what'd happen.

I was never much of a cloud chaser. Before I discovered micro coils my staple was .5Ω of 26g. Since micro coils, I stick around 1.0Ω of 27g. Contrary to popular belief, unflavored juice does have a flavor.

 

[edyle]

There are many benefits to a high discharge battery, even if you're only using 20% of its rating. Usually a higher discharge rating means a lower internal resistance. Lower internal resistance will give you less voltage drop, longer battery life, and the ability to vape a higher resistance coil and achieve the same performance as a battery with a higher internal resistance with a lower resistance coil.


I was never much of a cloud chaser. Before I discovered micro coils my staple was .5Ω of 26g. Since micro coils, I stick around 1.0Ω of 27g. Contrary to popular belief, unflavored juice does have a flavor.

Yes I sure there must be interesting things around a high discharge battery, but I wouldnt want to be talking too casually about the possibility of 10 20 and 30 amps being deliberately placed 1 inch from your lips with wetness in the mix to boot.

Some people are going to get the impression thats its all perfectly safe

 

[Traver]

Just as a side note. I don't want to discourage you from doing anything but I want you to learn about what you are doing first.

 

[Rader2146]

Yes I sure there must be interesting things around a high discharge battery, but I wouldnt want to be talking too casually about the possibility of 10 20 and 30 amps being deliberately placed 1 inch from your lips with wetness in the mix to boot.

Some people are going to get the impression thats its all perfectly safe

Ah...you are concerned with the electric shock a person could experience? Have you ever touched a 9V battery to your tongue to see if it still had a charge? We are dealing with less than half of 9 volts, so you get effectively half the effect of licking a fully charged 9V battery. Besides that, you would have to be very creative, or have the worlds worst luck, to somehow place a part of your body in the circuit path. Electric shock should be the least of anyone's worries.

Also, just because it is rated for XX amps, doesn't mean you will be using XX amps. I can make a VERY convincing case that a 30 amp battery is safer than a 10 or even a 5 amp battery. It is a complete fallacy that high discharge batteries are associated with danger.

 

[edyle]

Ah...you are concerned with the electric shock a person could experience? Have you ever touched a 9V battery to your tongue to see if it still had a charge? We are dealing with less than half of 9 volts, so you get effectively half the effect of licking a fully charged 9V battery. Besides that, you would have to be very creative, or have the worlds worst luck, to somehow place a part of your body in the circuit path. Electric shock should be the least of anyone's worries.

Also, just because it is rated for XX amps, doesn't mean you will be using XX amps. I can make a VERY convincing case that a 30 amp battery is safer than a 10 or even a 5 amp battery. It is a complete fallacy that high discharge batteries are associated with danger.

I merely want the average Jahn and Jane Doe to not misconstrue the issue to be a perfectly normal and safer matter;

For people who aren't interested in interfering with anything potentially dangerous, they'd want to be forewarned.