300 New Antz on the march.....failed this time

[Mossy]

I hate kids being influenced in this way

86.5% tax on e-cigs vaporized by lawmakers in Utah committee

at least it failed this time round.

 

[TheMike21]

The kids are the only "leg" they have to stand on, and I quote it because... not really.
If 5000 kids signed the petition and other 300 kids had the time to go and support the bill, why don't these 5300 kids go around the neighborhood telling other kids, how this is a product only adults should use. "Hey Timmy, please don't use and e-cig, you don't even smoke and don´t need it" or something like that. And theeen we don't need to tax it. Specially since taxing stuff don't help anybody but those collecting said taxes.

 

[NoFumus]

Good quote:

"I'm not sure it's our obligation as legislators to come in and replace parents with a tax increase" to try to stop underage usage." Rep. Doug Sagers, R-Tooele

 

[sofarsogood]

The kids are the only "leg" they have to stand on, and I quote it because... not really.
If 5000 kids signed the petition and other 300 kids had the time to go and support the bill, why don't these 5300 kids go around the neighborhood telling other kids, how this is a product only adults should use. "Hey Timmy, please don't use and e-cig, you don't even smoke and don´t need it" or something like that. And theeen we don't need to tax it. Specially since taxing stuff don't help anybody but those collecting said taxes.

The point I keep making about kids is I wish ecigs had been around when I was a kid starting to smoke. Having said that I am a tiny bit concerned about some accidents that involved kids. One of them sounds like a kid with a mech and the other one was a pocket fire but there aren't enough details to determine how that happened. My advice to parents would be, if you decide to let your kid vape for what ever reason then built in batteries only and he can't vape more watts than his age. A kid doesn't need a 700 horsepower car to drive 2 miles to school and a kid doesn't need a 200 watt mod to stay off cigs. Given those limitations I wuld be okay with most any atomizer and rebuilding. An istick 20 sounds perfect.

Oh yea, and you can't take it to school. (I grew up the big brother, oldest of six.)

 

[TheMike21]

Good quote:

"I'm not sure it's our obligation as legislators to come in and replace parents with a tax increase" to try to stop underage usage." Rep. Doug Sagers, R-Tooele

A) There is a need to replace parents because parents (some not all) don't educate their children anymore.
B) Replace the parents of children, not mine, I'm old enough.

if you decide to let your kid vape for what ever reason then built in batteries only and he can't vape more watts than his age

Unless they get a 50w Istick, those also blow up....
But on that subject, I know of a kid (My wife is a teacher) that is vaping 0 nic with "permission from their parents". He vapes just outside of school, I know everybody should be responsible for their own but talking about perception I fear a parent will see this kid, then learn my wife vapes and try to link 2 and 2 and blame her.

 

[EBates]

So the goal of the tax is to deny poor kids access to e-cigs. The majority of kids who aren't poor can buy anything they want. The tax on cigs hasn't stopped kids from smokin'.
Have I got that right? Just Sayin'

 

[sofarsogood]

So the goal of the tax is to deny poor kids access to e-cigs. The majority of kids who aren't poor can buy anything they want. The tax on cigs hasn't stopped kids from smokin'.
Have I got that right? Just Sayin'

Excellent point.

 

[squee]

why don't these 5300 kids go around the neighborhood telling other kids, how this is a product only adults should use. "Hey Timmy, please don't use and e-cig, you don't even smoke and don´t need it" or something like that. .

They probably do, but they start the conversation with Have you heard the Good News?, and nobody listens after that

 

[nicnik]

I hate kids being influenced in this way

86.5% tax on e-cigs vaporized by lawmakers in Utah committee

at least it failed this time round.

Teens. Always getting into mischief.

At least 300 high school students joined him to support the bill, filling the hearing room, overflow rooms and surrounding hallways. They are part of Students Against Electronic Vaping, which collected 5,000 signatures in support.

If, as ANTZ complain, teens' brains aren't developed enough yet to make wise decisions about their own health, why do they believe they're developed enough to make decisions about very important public health issues? Not old enough to decide for themselves, but old enough to decide for other people, just doesn't cut it.

Students Against Electronic Vaping is spreading dangerous, deceitful propaganda. Their website:

http://saevutah.com/

One e-cigarette can contain as much as 120mg of nicotine which is equal to the amount of nicotine in 100 cigarettes.

Comments are disabled for the following video, so you're not gonna be able to correct the misinformation in it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muQGZV8ziis

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

Comments are disabled for the following video, so you're not gonna be able to correct the misinformation in it:

LMAO... Because things being more expensive stops people from using them, I can think of a few substances that beg to differ....

Why the hell aren't they doing this for smoking instead??????

 

[nicnik]

Why the hell aren't they doing this for smoking instead??????

They already have minimum age for purchase, and extremely high tax for cigarettes.

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

They already have minimum age for purchase, and extremely high tax for cigarettes.

Although I do agree some "Sin Tax" is perfectly fine on cigarettes because of health care costs but people simply don't smoke because it is cheap, they smoke because they are addicted, adding tax will only take food off of tables, with vaping, there is currently no known side effects that burden the government that having a glass of water can't solve, so what's the point of the tax? They say it is to keep it out of the hands of children but who is the tax dollars going to? Is it going to pay for education or something for the kids or is it just a senseless cash grab?

 

[nicnik]

Although I do agree some "Sin Tax" is perfectly fine on cigarettes because of health care costs but people simply don't smoke because it is cheap, they smoke because they are addicted, adding tax will only take food off of tables, with vaping, there is currently no known side effects that burden the government that having a glass of water can't solve, so what's the point of the tax? They say it is to keep it out of the hands of children but who is the tax dollars going to? Is it going to pay for education or something for the kids or is it just a senseless cash grab?

One-size-fits-all rules for vaping, smoking, and smokeless are absurd. Different rules for different levels of harm would make a lot more sense.

Sin taxes are a sin. Varying levels of sin, depending on the absurdity, and damage caused by the tax. Sin taxes on vaping are a very big sin.

 

[nicnik]

Although I do agree some "Sin Tax" is perfectly fine on cigarettes because of health care costs

Cigarette Taxation and the Social Consequences of Smoking | Heartland Institute

 

[nicnik]

Tobacco Truth: The Surprising Economic Effects of Smoking & Quitting

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/06-13-Smoking_Reduction.pdf

 

[bigdancehawk]

Teens. Always getting into mischief.


If, as ANTZ complain, teens' brains aren't developed enough yet to make wise decisions about their own health, why do they believe they're developed enough to make decisions about very important public health issues? Not old enough to decide for themselves, but old enough to decide for other people, just doesn't cut it.

Students Against Electronic Vaping is spreading dangerous, deceitful propaganda. Their website:

http://saevutah.com/


Comments are disabled for the following video, so you're not gonna be able to correct the misinformation in it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muQGZV8ziis

Kids are more easily addicted to alarmist propaganda than to nicotine.

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

I've heard it reported by economists and legislators that the actual rationale for a "sin" tax is because there are some products that have a near infinitely elastic price point - people will pay for them no matter the cost. That speaks to a profit motive, pure and simple.

Governments refer to taxes as "revenue". Any entity that seeks revenue also seeks to maximize it.

Such an odd world when the villain (all nicotine products, in their view) represents salvation through taxation.

 

[Bill Godshall]

Looks like the tactic of manipulating lots of kids to lobby for an outrageous vapor tax backfired on Rep. Paul Ray and the Utah Health Dept. This is very good news.