306 vs 510

[Jeann]

am trying this new (to me) 306 (meters 2.3 ohms) and compairing it with the 510 (meters 2.2 ohms) on the grand and i have a long delrin DT on the 306.


my observations so far:
1. a bit more airy draw from it
2. a tat cooler vape
3. less TH from it
4. vapor production seems about equal
5. the atty itself doesn't get as hot
6. taste of the liquid is sweeter


this is totally not what i expected from the reviews, thought it had a warmer vape with more TH, so am i doing something wrong? do i need the normal DT? do i need to dewick it? or is this difference explainible by the 0.1 ohms difference? maybe i should put it on the vvw and crank up the volts...

 

[nerak]

You sure could try it on the VVW and see what happens! I do not get that result from my 306, but I use the LR. The longer drip tip will decrease the heat also.

 

[Jeann]

hmm, i should have ordered both driptips, was being cheap thought from the reviews that i would find it too hot, but that isn't the case at all. yep, ill try it on the vvw, was so stunned that i kept swapping it on the grand back and forth all the time

edit: hmm, maybe i like this one better with 2.0 ohms...didn't think i would as i tried it with 510's but those were a tat too harsh for my taste

 

[Jeann]

yup, like the 306 better on the vvw, even with a higher voltage then i vape with the 510 mega, they still give a very friendly and smooth vape.

 

[itadampf]

306 1.5 ohm on a 18650 or 18490 works pretty well, IMHO. And I personally prefer long drip tips with 306s.

 

[Jeann]

yeh, am thinking with these i may even like LR on the grand with these, am thinking of picking up one on my next order there, gonna pickup a normal drip tip then too and see how that goes.

 

[bushmaster]

There can be kind of a break-in period with the 306's. You might want to withhold judgement until you've used it a couple days. At least, that's been my experience.

 

[Jeann]

aah, am playing with it for 24 hours now, so that may be not long enough then, thanks!

 

[Jeann]

hehe, this 306 seems to put me into a vape coma pretty fast. am still swapping it with the 510 mega (metered @ 2.4 ohms) on the vvw and keep the voltage the same, the 510 doesn't have that effect, quite intresting

 

[Mata]

am trying this new (to me) 306 (meters 2.3 ohms) and compairing it with the 510 (meters 2.2 ohms) on the grand and i have a long delrin DT on the 306.


my observations so far:
1. a bit more airy draw from it
2. a tat cooler vape
3. less TH from it
4. vapor production seems about equal
5. the atty itself doesn't get as hot
6. taste of the liquid is sweeter


this is totally not what i expected from the reviews, thought it had a warmer vape with more TH, so am i doing something wrong? do i need the normal DT? do i need to dewick it? or is this difference explainible by the 0.1 ohms difference? maybe i should put it on the vvw and crank up the volts...

Well all that you have said is pretty normal, 510s are quite "brutals" compared to 306s. More hit, warmer wape and all. 306 are more subtle, for sure they give you back a much better flavor and they are much easier to keep them "wet", they occasionally auto feed without the need for squonking (i mean in certain cases they last even the double between a squonk and the other. Still i like lower resistances, 1,8 ohms is my sweet spot at 3.7V with 306 atties.

 

[Jeann]

aah, gosh, didn't know, seen some youtube reviews and then i thought, wow, these 306's must hit much harder mis-interperted i quess. am still playing with it every now and then

 

[washvap]

It is true that 306's hit harder then 510's. But, you also have to put into account the difference in performance between different brands. Such as a Joye vs Cisco spec 306's for example (Although, Joye 510's do perform just about as good as any high-end 510 out there on the market). Some brands atties are just airier then others depending on how big the air holes are in the connection. The smaller they are the tighter the draw and vice versa.

The .1 difference in ohms is going to be insignificant. So, that's not the problem. Only positive gained by de-wicking your atty is flavor. Since the wick gets "burnt" fairly quickly and the flavor will linger. Unless you choose to remove the wick.

Unfortunately, there isn't anything that can be done to improve on your current experience. Except buying a lower ohm'd atty. I would suggest a 1.5 ohm Cisco LR 306 if you can get one.

Another possible explanation for the airy draw that your experiencing. Is how far the post sticks out from the base of the atty. That might effect the draw that your getting from it. Since, if you can't screw it down as much then that will allow more air to go into the atty.

I guess everyone has their own interpretation of what threaded atties hit harder then another. Here's the general list of atties. From airiest draw, most flavor, and lightest TH to the least flavor and most TH:

901
801
510
306

Which is why many Th fanatics go with 306's and how they became popular. So, you weren't wrong. You might just have to try a different brand and lower ohms (as mentioned earlier). My suggestion is to just buy one. Just in case you don't like it then you won't be stuck with a stock of atties that you are unwilling to use.


Why does a 306 atty hit harder then others?

The answer is fairly simple. It doesn't have the typical aluminum tube that surrounds the coil, wick, mesh, and bridge. Which absorbs the heat that's created from the coil. Thus, cooling down the vapor which leads to a less pronounced TH. Since everything is exposed on a 306. You will get more of a TH in general.

 

[Jeann]

thank you washvap! had to let this info sink in a bit

you may be right, i can't screw the 306 all the way down in the connector, as far i can see that is, so that could explain the extra airyness. this one is a C9V one, i have the impression it's a pretty good quality atty. haven't found any cisco's in europe yet, only ikenvape 510's and io6 in germany, been thinking about trying those too some day. however that shop doesn't have anything else witch am interested in, so i would buy only those then witch will be a very small order, dunno what the postal fee will be, but it may make them extra expencive.

C9V sells the 306 in an arry of ohms so i think with my next order there i'll pick up a LR one. so far i have tried 1.7 and 2.0 ohm 510's. i do love the hit from LR's just not always font of what happens to the flavor. i always seem to go back to the SR 510's sooner or later. and yes, they are always joy's or joytech's, coz those are easy and cheap to come by in this little country.

oh well, we'll see what happens, the dutch shops as well as the dutch vapers are expanding their view on vaping too, i see more and more non-chinese stuff around, so i think in time it will be much easier for me to buy other atty's here too

 

[MickeyRat]

I'm using a 306 with a cannon drip tip right now and I normally use 901s. I've been looking for something with 510 threading that I liked because the adapters do work but, they are a little bit of a pain. Washvap with all due respect, I don't agree with your list. For me, 510s on a VV are hot and flavorless. The 306 is nice. The draw is slightly less airy than a 901 but, not a lot. Maybe a little hotter but again not a lot. Flavor is as good or better. I haven't bought any Ciscos or Ikens. I picked up a couple 2.5 ohm and a couple 1.5 ohm 306s at RTD just to try them.

I'm not sure they'll replace my 901s though. So far, with the 2.5s I had the same problem I had with 1.8 ohm io6s. I liked the way they vaped but, they died in 3 days. I'm using a 1.5 306 now. It'll die tomorrow, if it follows the pattern. Even vaporking bulk 901s last me a week.