380 mAh KR808D-1 Mega vs. 360 mAh VP1

[DonDaBoomVape]

I like the elegant slender length of the penstyle, but it is just not as consistent a performer as I would like. For me, the 5V Prodigy (which I use with 801 attys) hits too hard. [Yeah, I know I could buy the $24 non-resister switch plus $8 18650 charger plus a couple 18650 batteries for $7, but why spend that money and still have a fat PV?]

GrimmGreen raves about the Cisco laser mod, but I don't have the mechanical ability (or inclination) to build it. So I've been thinking about getting a $99 VP1 or Spade (the Vapre-51 and Protege are nice, but more expensive). But it uses only a 360 mAh battery.

An $18 KR808D-1 mega (manual) battery is rated at 380 mAh and (even with the $14 KR808D-1 Battery to 510 Atomizer Adapter + $9 atty ($41 total) is less than half the price of the VP1 or Spade. [Price examples are NHaler's.]

My question is: Which would deliver the more powerful and consistent vaping experience - the VP1/Spade or the KR808D-1 mega?

 

[pianoguy]

I can't answer your comparison question, but at vapor4life the new XL batteries with the 13-second cutoff are on sale right now for $17.50, and I am really pleased with them.

 

[GrimmGreen]

Hey Don , the 10440 batteries that the spade and VP1 use are OK , not great , but not terrible , on a full charge one 10440 battery will last me about 4 hours. For the price , i feel that the batteries that the Protege' uses are some of the best you can get. 900mah , they seem to last forever. The Protege' can only use unprotected batteries though.

i think the KR to 510 might be a good route to take... in this situation , only because you said you liked the "elegant slender" penstyle.

the Spade is more like a penstyle than the Protege' , but the KR with a 510 adapter would be even MORE like a penstyle.

i'm just rambling now... ha ha

 

[DonDaBoomVape]

Hey Don , the 10440 batteries that the spade and VP1 use are OK , not great , but not terrible , on a full charge one 10440 battery will last me about 4 hours. For the price , i feel that the batteries that the Protege' uses are some of the best you can get. 900mah , they seem to last forever. The Protege' can only use unprotected batteries though.

i think the KR to 510 might be a good route to take... in this situation , only because you said you liked the "elegant slender" penstyle.

the Spade is more like a penstyle than the Protege' , but the KR with a 510 adapter would be even MORE like a penstyle.

i'm just rambling now... ha ha

Well since you chimed in, Nick: Am I correct that the VP1 or Spade is essentially the same as the Cisco mod, which is your "2nd favorite vaping experience"? And, if it is and based on what you said here, why do you rank the Cisco mod higher than the Protégé?

Don't place too much emphasis on the "elegant slender" bit; it is secondary in importance to performance. In fact, I may even decide to leapfrog over your #1 Puresmoker Passthrough to the ultimate vaping experience: the Carlos49 Juice Box (which is anything but slender and elegant-looking).

BTW, I don't think mAh or voltage tells the whole story. [My gut (as non-technical as it is) tells me that skinny e-cig-specific batteries don't pack the same punch as those 10440 on up batteries.]

Have you actually used the KR808D-1 mega? I truly do value your opinion on this ... and, ideally, I'd also love to hear from someone who has used both.

 

[DonDaBoomVape]

I can't answer your comparison question, but at vapor4life the new XL batteries with the 13-second cutoff are on sale right now for $17.50, and I am really pleased with them.

pianoguy, are you trying to save me 50 cents or do you have reason to think that V4L's XLs are different from NHaler's XLs (or are you just on the V4L cheerleader squad)?

 

[pianoguy]

I like V4L, but am sure NHaler has fine products, too. I just know that the 13-second cutoff model is a recent addition at V4L, and I'm not sure if they are available elsewhere. I like them a lot better than the previous XL's.

 

[JetsFan]

Have you actually used the KR808D-1 mega? I truly do value your opinion on this ... and, ideally, I'd also love to hear from someone who has used both.[/QUOTE]

I have the Kr808 mega connected to a 510 atomizer via adaptor. It is fantastic!
My only problem - and this may be minor to some - is that once the cart is attached to the atty, the length of the cig is nearly 6.5 inches. But the slim "pen style is very nice indeed. Battery life is excellent.

My Spade arrives tomorrow. Will check back in over the weekend.

 

[CJsKee]

Don--I have both a VP1 and a KR808D mega battery. I bought the KR battery from Heaven Gifts for quite a bit less than $18. I use a 901 on the VP1 and a cartomizer on the KR. Honestly, there is not a discernable difference between the two, but I like the KR w/carto better. When fully charged both batteries do a good job. The difference will come in the cost of the batteries, with the VP1 winning in the long run.

I also have a Protege, and I use protected 14500s in it. Again, I think the batteries will cost less in the long run.

O...I've not heard of the Spade...what is that?

 

[DonDaBoomVape]

I have the Kr808 mega connected to a 510 atomizer via adaptor. It is fantastic!
My only problem - and this may be minor to some - is that once the cart is attached to the atty, the length of the cig is nearly 6.5 inches. But the slim "pen style is very nice indeed. Battery life is excellent.

My Spade arrives tomorrow. Will check back in over the weekend.

Thank you for your input, JetsFan! Yeah, the length wouldn't bother me. Please do let me/us know how you would compare the two.

Don--I have both a VP1 and a KR808D mega battery. I bought the KR battery from Heaven Gifts for quite a bit less than $18. I use a 901 on the VP1 and a cartomizer on the KR. Honestly, there is not a discernable difference between the two, but I like the KR w/carto better. When fully charged both batteries do a good job. The difference will come in the cost of the batteries, with the VP1 winning in the long run.

I also have a Protege, and I use protected 14500s in it. Again, I think the batteries will cost less in the long run.

O...I've not heard of the Spade...what is that?

Ooh! Almost a head to head comparison! I say 'almost' because neither of the atomizers is a 510. You didn't comment on Protégé performance relative to either the VP1 or KR808D-1 mega. [Is that because Mr. Puresmoker was listening in?]

My concern is not so much battery life ("several" hours is good enough for me, whether that is 4 or 14), but the vaping experience. For example, the Prodigy hits each and every time. I just want something that hits not quite as hard (because I like to vape ... a lot) and a bit more slender. At its best, I love my 801 penstyle; it's just inconsistent and I have to work too hard at it. I guess the obvious answer is the Protégé. I do like the look, but it's kind of expensive.

Maybe I should give the Protégé more consideration and sell my Prodigy to help pay for it ... or get the "Vapor King Extra Long Battery Automatic with Single Logo" (I hated the logo-plastered ones) and GreenCig carts (which don't work with manual batts without an adapter) from NHaler ... or get a Bartleby (it's pretty trim-looking for a box mod) ... or I don't know.

As JetsFan can tell you, the Spade is basically a black aluminum VP1. You can read more about it, and see Parked demo it, on the DietSmokes site.

BTW, I do like the attractive branding Puresmoker has done on its Ace KR808D-1. Pretty good price, too.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

Maybe I should give the Protégé more consideration

Don FWIW... I love my protege(first production original button) I have all three adaptors it vapes constantly.... and holds well if over filled... I have the original button still no problems not sure if they switched it or not but I bought a mechanical one just in case("knock knock) the protege doesn't have any lights in the way... just pure mechanical

I also am getting the PT extention thingy for it so I can vape with no batt.


I love all of my products but would have to say the protege deserves its place... I also do cartos on it as well....


I am not saying it is the choice... because others have their opinions as well... but I do think it's better than any ecig battery mega or not....

my 2 cents

an honest unbiased opinion

 

[Abe]

I really enjoy my 380 mAh 808's but then I do only use it with a 901 atty. It seems to last a very long time and I quite like the fact you can have someones eye out with it if they happen to walk past. I'm pretty impressed with the KR goods in general, and their prices, but I can only comment on this from that angle.

 

[DonDaBoomVape]

Don FWIW... I love my protege(first production original button) I have all three adaptors it vapes constantly.... and holds well if over filled... I have the original button still no problems not sure if they switched it or not but I bought a mechanical one just in case("knock knock) the protege doesn't have any lights in the way... just pure mechanical

I also am getting the PT extention thingy for it so I can vape with no batt.

I love all of my products but would have to say the protege deserves its place... I also do cartos on it as well....

I am not saying it is the choice... because others have their opinions as well... but I do think it's better than any ecig battery mega or not....

my 2 cents

an honest unbiased opinion

That praise of the Protege carries weight, coming from a guy who owns so many models.* And it rings true; I would say many of the same things about my Prodigy. It just hits me too hard for the frequent vaping I like to do; and it's a bit ungainly. Logic says (although not necessarily the pocketbook): buy the Protege.

* BTW, lightgeoduck, what in heaven's name is the LGD306cartomizer? I know the Joye306 super-mini and I know what a cartomizer is, but I'm not familiar with LGD or how any of those relate to each other.

I really enjoy my 380 mAh 808's but then I do only use it with a 901 atty. It seems to last a very long time and I quite like the fact you can have someones eye out with it if they happen to walk past. I'm pretty impressed with the KR goods in general, and their prices, but I can only comment on this from that angle.

I've had good experience with the standard 280 mAh KR808D-1 automatic batteries, but not with the couple KR manual batteries and the one 380 mAh manual I tried (I sent it right back). Now, these were all the first versions. I understand that improvements have been made, but once burned...

Thank you, LibertyFlights, for weighing in! The fact that I'm more uncertain than ever is not your fault!

 

[Lightgeoduck]

onDabo you can find the LGD306cartomizer in the modders forums... or created threads in my profile its the latest and greatest

 

[GrimmGreen]

Grimm ... The Protege was built to fit Protected 14500's too We actually test every Protege for Protected Battery clearance ... LOL ... Try it sometime

Whoah Really!? sorry Steve i had no idea , i happen to have some protected 14500's that i have never tried... until NOW

Well since you chimed in, Nick: Am I correct that the VP1 or Spade is essentially the same as the Cisco mod, which is your "2nd favorite vaping experience"? And, if it is and based on what you said here, why do you rank the Cisco mod higher than the Protégé?

Don't place too much emphasis on the "elegant slender" bit; it is secondary in importance to performance. In fact, I may even decide to leapfrog over your #1 Puresmoker Passthrough to the ultimate vaping experience: the Carlos49 Juice Box (which is anything but slender and elegant-looking).

BTW, I don't think mAh or voltage tells the whole story. [My gut (as non-technical as it is) tells me that skinny e-cig-specific batteries don't pack the same punch as those 10440 on up batteries.]

Have you actually used the KR808D-1 mega? I truly do value your opinion on this ... and, ideally, I'd also love to hear from someone who has used both.

So , i have not tried the KR808D-1 Mega , i didn't know such a thing existed.. and to be fair , i didn't have the protege at the time that i shot that "favorite vaping experinces video" it probably would have knocked the Lazer down to 3. It might have even replaced the PS PT as the number #1... maybe i need to update that list again he he he

 

[JetsFan]

I've had both the KR mega and the Spade for about a week now. The Spade wins, hands down. 4-5 hr battery life and a quality build. KR is good for about 3 hrs and then needs recharging - - so you'd better have 2 on hand. The Spade has a spare battery which makes it functional for 8-10 hours. Also, the atty that comes with the Spade has a nice brass fitting that makes the unit seamless! IMO the KR mega's length is too long to fit anywhere - - pocket, purse, car, etc. Its a bit awkward. The Spade by contrast, is no bigger than an ordinary eyelash mascara, has a cool LED (which can be turned off). Both produce a good amount of vapor and so it becomes a matter of aesthetics, fit and finish and battery life. Spade is the clear winner.

 

[Travis798]

I've not tried the KR808D-1 mega, but I do have a standard. I would assume the only difference would be the length of time that it vapes consistently? Since the spade has a bigger battery, of course it should vape consistently longer than the standard battery, so an apples to apples comparison can't really be done by me, but I will say that my spade seems to be very consistent from charge to charge. The only time it seems to drop off any with performance, it maybe 3-4 puffs before the battery lets me know it needs charged. I freaking love this thing!

 

[DonDaBoomVape]

I've not tried the KR808D-1 mega, but I do have a standard. I would assume the only difference would be the length of time that it vapes consistently? Since the spade has a bigger battery, of course it should vape consistently longer than the standard battery, so an apples to apples comparison can't really be done by me, but I will say that my spade seems to be very consistent from charge to charge. The only time it seems to drop off any with performance, it maybe 3-4 puffs before the battery lets me know it needs charged. I freaking love this thing!

Dietsmokes' Spade webpage is inaccessible at the moment. Assuming that it uses the same battery as the VP1, that battery is not bigger (in size or mAh) than the KR808D-1 380 mAh mega. The VP1's 360 mAh 10440 is fatter but shorter and slightly less mAh. But those are just numbers. I do not quarrel with JetsFan's actual experience.

Whatever ... today I took advantage of a great sale GoodProphets is having on e-liquid and, to qualify for free shipping, threw in a KR808D-1 mega battery (for $14, also on sale) and inexpensive adapters for the 510 and 801 (which I can also use with the Bartleby I plan to order at some point). Although my purchasing has been affected by happenstance (e.g., that sale), it has been guided by the great advice I've received here and elsewhere on ECF.

Thanks, all!

 

[NekoGurrl]

I have 3 of the 380 mAh KR808D-1 XL batteries that I purchased from V4L. I also use the KR808 carts with a Puresmoker Prodigy without resistor on a 18650 3000 mAh battery, a Prodigy with resistor at ~5v, a Puresmoker V2 passthru, and a Protege.

2 things that I find really affect the performance: Airflow and Voltage

Air flow characteristics are variable on the KR series, even on my XL batteries some have a stiffer draw than others.

But Voltage, that's where the higher mAh batteries shine. Don't we all love that freshly charged battery vape? The KR XL batteries do a fantastic job for a couple hours then start to wain. The Protege at 900 mAh keeps nice vapor production for most of a day. The Prodigy at 3000 mAh keeps up for more than a day. It's voltage! After about 2 hours on an xl battery you are down to around the batteries rated voltage of 3.7 v, freshly charged batteries are commonly around 4.3 volts, not much different than a good passthru. So the longer a battery stays above 4v the better! This is directly related to the batteries capacity, rated in mAh. Higher mHa, higher capacity, if the mfg is accurate on the mAh that is.

The sweet spot for the KR808 Cartomizers in my experience is between 4 and 5 volts, good vapor production, taste and longevity. Above 5 volts taste and longevity are gone. Above 5 volts I stick with the 901 or 801 atomizers.

So which is my favorite? Right now it's the KR XL batteries, otherwise it would be my Protege but it is in for a switchectomy right now. This is due to the size of the device. When I'm at home the Prodigy's get used mostly. But still keep a couple XL's with other flavors handy.

I've used V4L and PS devices as an example since that's what I currently own. However this capacity information is directly applicable for any device. Figure out what you are willing to carry around, then find the highest capacity device that fits those needs.

 

[DonDaBoomVape]

NekoGurrl, thank you so much! I couldn't ask for a more thorough, technically astute, and helpful answer to my question (asked in another thread). So happiness is possible for $14 (what I paid on sale for an XL KR808D-1 batt)!

I hope my experience with that battery will be similar to yours. Ahh ... to be cheap and content: life is good!

 

[dhowardpeters]

I hope my experience with that battery will be similar to yours. Ahh ... to be cheap and content: life is good![/QUOTE]


I just ordered the kr808D-1 mega battery from HG but they only had a PCC for the standard kr8 and a USB charger (no cord) - don't undersand what that means. Any suggestions where I can order a charger or tell me what to use the usb charger (no cord) with? Doesn't have to be a PCC? Would a charger for a 901 work? And keep cheap in mind. Thanks