3rd Hand Smoke Report Affect Vaporers?

[VapinDove]

the way I see it is this. every time you vape, blow the vapor at a mirror the same mirror btw for a while, and see if any residue is left over. my guess is none but if there is well maybe this does need to be looked into more. but most importantly they were talking about TSNA's which are carcinogens, nicotine is not a carcinogen so even if he was breathing it in, he'd probably just sneak a few hits off the e-cig -

Funny you should say that because I came across a video on this board of a woman that blew smoke from a analog and a e-cig thru a kleenex and the analog left a amber spot; the e-cig left nothing. I should have e-mailed him that video because later that night, he suggested that I do the same test (he didn't know I already saw a test that day) . I told him I saw the test but now I can't find it. I'm not about to do the test with an analog but I'll do it with the e-cig.

All it'll take is 1 analog....not going there. I wish I could find that video! I do notice that there is a white residue in my nose area some mornings but I wouldn't tell him that! Anybody ever notice that?

 

[JohnnyVapor]

Hi all - need your help.

Apparently it was all over the internet yesterday about "3rd Hand Smoke" dangers. Granted, it was talking about actual analog smoking and its residue that lies on carpets, clothes and lingers in the air and how they managed to determine its harmful effects especially to babies and small children.

This raised a concern to my lifetime NON-smoking husband. He thinks this concern also applies to e-cig nic vaporers because we are also blowing out nicotine molecules . This leaves residue as well. i,.e, matter cannot be destroyed theory albeit, the vaper is not induced by fire; however, vapor is vapor.

Before now, he was very tolerant of me vaping; however, he has been noticing that I'm vaping more than when I started 2+ months ago and now he's "smelling" the vaper. He is concerned that my vaping nicotine has will have the same effect as regular smoking in the air he breathes. What argument can I give him on this that is factual ? Are there any articles out there that confirms that "e-cigarette vapor" is safe on others other than what we find on the Supplier's websites?

Being a 30+ yr smoker that found a way to quit 3 months ago, this newsflash report did not make me happy. If there is a health risk for him, I will vape outside but I want a valid reason for me to have to do that rather than pondering this theory. More importantly, will this article extend to also include e-cigarettes soon?

Your thoughts and agruments are welcomed.

Well well, this is an intriguing topic.

Okay, taking a look at this 'third hand smoke' silliness. Indoor air is almost always less clean than outdoor air. Particulate matter, VOCs, mold count, etc. I assume your husband has already had an air quality survey done of your place of residence, and taken steps such as proper ducting and venting, cleaning of ducts and vents as needed, and has a high quality filter in your HVAC system. This should really be his main focus if he's truly worried about air quality.

Also, we're looking at a major difference in harmful byproducts. The only big one popping out at me in e-cigs would be residual nicotine, where as cigarette smoke has a laundry list of bad things. It is possible that if you have poor air circulation, you could have some of the vapor and nicotine deposit on floor surfaces. I think that nicotine will degrade/oxidize in normal oxygen environments, and at least on hard surface floors you're already probably cleaning it off with mopping. I'm not sure if a vacuum will remove all of it from carpeting, but it probably helps. VapinDove, you can tell your husband if he's worried, he really should stop licking the carpeting, not only might it have a little nicotine, it probably has all other sorts of nasties.

Much of the worry about dermal or ingested content would probably be due to the fact that cigarette smoke tends to add a nice layer of tar to everything. Vapor, of course, does not. It is somewhat possible that your husband may be getting a small amount of nicotine from your vaping byproducts, but if nicotine is what he is worried about, please make sure that he never eats potatoes, carrots, beets, peas, green beans, lima beans, broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, spinach, asparagus, celery, cucumbers, green peppers, lettuce, onions, radishes, tomatoes, cayenne, eggplants, or many other foods.

As for PG deposits, it's not anything to worry about. Though PG is less volatile than water, it will indeed still evaporate. Other substances in e-cig vapor are probably beyond worry when considering other indoor air contaminants and chemical and microbial dangers on surfaces.

If he remains unreasonable on the topic... well, frankly, I'm not sure. I still think you should make him prove the harm to him taking into account everything above before you have to leave your house to take a puff. You already made a huge jump in his direction by quitting cigarettes, he should meet you in the middle somewhere.

 

[VapinDove]

Well well, this is an intriguing topic.

Okay, taking a look at this 'third hand smoke' silliness. Indoor air is almost always less clean than outdoor air. Particulate matter, VOCs, mold count, etc. I assume your husband has already had an air quality survey done of your place of residence, and taken steps such as proper ducting and venting, cleaning of ducts and vents as needed, and has a high quality filter in your HVAC system. This should really be his main focus if he's truly worried about air quality.

Also, we're looking at a major difference in harmful byproducts. The only big one popping out at me in e-cigs would be residual nicotine, where as cigarette smoke has a laundry list of bad things. It is possible that if you have poor air circulation, you could have some of the vapor and nicotine deposit on floor surfaces. I think that nicotine will degrade/oxidize in normal oxygen environments, and at least on hard surface floors you're already probably cleaning it off with mopping. I'm not sure if a vacuum will remove all of it from carpeting, but it probably helps. VapinDove, you can tell your husband if he's worried, he really should stop licking the carpeting, not only might it have a little nicotine, it probably has all other sorts of nasties.

Much of the worry about dermal or ingested content would probably be due to the fact that cigarette smoke tends to add a nice layer of tar to everything. Vapor, of course, does not. It is somewhat possible that your husband may be getting a small amount of nicotine from your vaping byproducts, but if nicotine is what he is worried about, please make sure that he never eats potatoes, carrots, beets, peas, green beans, lima beans, broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, spinach, asparagus, celery, cucumbers, green peppers, lettuce, onions, radishes, tomatoes, cayenne, eggplants, or many other foods.

As for PG deposits, it's not anything to worry about. Though PG is less volatile than water, it will indeed still evaporate. Other substances in e-cig vapor are probably beyond worry when considering other indoor air contaminants and chemical and microbial dangers on surfaces.

If he remains unreasonable on the topic... well, frankly, I'm not sure. I still think you should make him prove the harm to him taking into account everything above before you have to leave your house to take a puff. You already made a huge jump in his direction by quitting cigarettes, he should meet you in the middle somewhere.

Wow - you blew me away on this reply. You make valid points.
He's never had air quality testing done and we have a large square footage house of which I only vape downstairs. He did take extra measures to get several air cleaners and special allergy resistant duct work in our HVAC system. He's suffered asthma/allergies all his life.

I might add (and don't laugh too hard) that he cranks on the air cleaners and opens up windows when I cook too. You should have seen him running around the house when I was on an Indian Food kick! At that time I was smoking in the garage and probably damaging my lungs worst than just normal cigarettes could. The argument about the food is that there are molecules from the food that are floating about and landing.

I can, by the way, bake all his favorite bakery items, without guilt or headaches from the loud noise of the air cleaners/exhaut fans or freeze my buns off from the open window in wintertime. Too bad I don't eat these treasured goodies.

I did mention that his nightly nicotine-ladened potato chip eating may be hazardous to his health and is mentally torturing me as I do tend to watch my weight. Lip smacking and mouth crunching do a number on my nerves.

No wonder I smoked for 30 years!

Well, credit to you guys for your comments thus far - I am still vaping in the house. You guys are the greatest!