Whst flavors are u running at 20% thats way to high for alot. There is a point where to much flavor will kill taste. Alot time it takes a few flavors together to taste good too
4 months in and its still yucky
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A few thoughts, but no definitive answer, sorry - worth considering though!
1 - 20% for some flavors may be so high that it directs your taste buds to turn it off. I'd start far lower, and work up if necessary.
2 - what other single flavors have you tried? Bubblegum and Cotton Candy are kind of weird ones to go for - they're often used AS sweeteners. And Watermelon - that's a fairly light flavoring I would think - I've never mixed it alone, but only added to "fruity mix" flavors...
3 - Nic and VG and PG do all have flavors - personal recommendations are Nude Nicotine for nic, and Essential Depot (direct or from Amazon) for PG/VG. But that's usually an answer to a BAD taste, not to "No taste"... I'd start with the flavoring percentages first!
You may want to try recipes as suggested - something like Strawberry/Banana perhaps, that's been done a thousand times and usually is pretty easy to get tasting good...
1 - 20% for some flavors may be so high that it directs your taste buds to turn it off. I'd start far lower, and work up if necessary.
2 - what other single flavors have you tried? Bubblegum and Cotton Candy are kind of weird ones to go for - they're often used AS sweeteners. And Watermelon - that's a fairly light flavoring I would think - I've never mixed it alone, but only added to "fruity mix" flavors...
3 - Nic and VG and PG do all have flavors - personal recommendations are Nude Nicotine for nic, and Essential Depot (direct or from Amazon) for PG/VG. But that's usually an answer to a BAD taste, not to "No taste"... I'd start with the flavoring percentages first!
You may want to try recipes as suggested - something like Strawberry/Banana perhaps, that's been done a thousand times and usually is pretty easy to get tasting good...
Initially I started using small percentages for recipes that called for multiple flavors. However the final product was flavorless. So I started making single flavor batches and raising the percentages in attempt to solve the flavorless issue.
I'd suggest you read a blog on ECF by some clod named Hoosier about flavoring levels. There is one section that notes a level where it smells good, but has little flavor...
Every thing I've seen posted here screams that blog has your answer.
I am assuming that you've already vaped your plain bases and know they are neutral because vaping your base is the only way to know what you're starting with.
Every thing I've seen posted here screams that blog has your answer.
I am assuming that you've already vaped your plain bases and know they are neutral because vaping your base is the only way to know what you're starting with.
I will definitely check it out. Funny thing is that I've never tried just vaping the base, but I definitely will try it.
If by chance you run into that clod hoosier, thank him for me.
I have never made a batch with over 15% flavoring; and those are usually a mix of more than just one.
I have found 10 to 12% is starting to be a sweet spot for me with all the Fruit/Citrus flavors I like; and I usually do that as a two flavor mix.
Back when I vaped a lot of tobacco juice, 5 to 6% steeped with a 50/50 ratio for a decent throat hit was strong enough for me.
I have found 10 to 12% is starting to be a sweet spot for me with all the Fruit/Citrus flavors I like; and I usually do that as a two flavor mix.
Back when I vaped a lot of tobacco juice, 5 to 6% steeped with a 50/50 ratio for a decent throat hit was strong enough for me.
I must admit. I initially started with small percentages, but wasn't getting anything that stuck out. So after reading a few places (not here) that said the flavoring should make up 20% of the total mix. Now add that with the human nature factor. I up'd the percents. And guess what....Still no flavor!!!
Thanks for your input.
Hi, if you check my post count you'll see I am new to the place, so you can take this advice with a pinch of salt. I would add though I just joined the forum to post here because it is hurting me that you haven't got to grips with your DIY projects after 4 months. I mean absolutely no disrespect in saying if you're using the Steam Engine and TPA concentrates you should have mastered this black art in 4 minutes.
In my opinion, you need to forget drops, grams, grains or any other form of measurement and use simple syringes.
I started by following recipes using 'drops', I too couldn't understand why my first few attempts were pretty poor. I then bought a few syringes in various sizes and measured an average drop. I was amazed to find 30 drops could amount to anything from 0.2ml to 1ml depending which concentrate bottle I tested, there is simply no average drop and therefore, no accurate measurements.
From that point, I used a 1ml syringe for my concentrates and nicotine measures, and a 5ml for PG/VG and have never bought pre-made juice in the last 14 months.
Like you I use TPA/TFA mostly, some Capella and a few from Flavour Art (Italian/UK) for my concentrates and could spend half my week making juice for loved ones and my family ;o)
Get hold of a couple of syringes and give this method of measuring a try.
Let us know a few of the TPA concentrates you have in your pantry and let users advise on (accurate) percentages.
One last thing, I didn't see any mention of your RTA's, RDA's etc, or wires and wicks. You might possibly have an issue there and your juice is lovely? Just a thought.
In my opinion, you need to forget drops, grams, grains or any other form of measurement and use simple syringes.
I started by following recipes using 'drops', I too couldn't understand why my first few attempts were pretty poor. I then bought a few syringes in various sizes and measured an average drop. I was amazed to find 30 drops could amount to anything from 0.2ml to 1ml depending which concentrate bottle I tested, there is simply no average drop and therefore, no accurate measurements.
From that point, I used a 1ml syringe for my concentrates and nicotine measures, and a 5ml for PG/VG and have never bought pre-made juice in the last 14 months.
Like you I use TPA/TFA mostly, some Capella and a few from Flavour Art (Italian/UK) for my concentrates and could spend half my week making juice for loved ones and my family ;o)
Get hold of a couple of syringes and give this method of measuring a try.
Let us know a few of the TPA concentrates you have in your pantry and let users advise on (accurate) percentages.
One last thing, I didn't see any mention of your RTA's, RDA's etc, or wires and wicks. You might possibly have an issue there and your juice is lovely? Just a thought.
Hi Herbert,
Thank you for your reply. I found myself quickly humbled by your words.
Ok, so I felt the same way about having what I thought was the perfect tools to master juice making in a snap! I've since learned some things from the support I've received from the guys in the forum.
I initially tried measuring using syringes, but I couldn't get the measurements exact. My eyesight isn't the greatest at my age now. So the ml to gms using a digital scale seemed more appropriate and accurate.
Here's my list of TFA concentrates:
Red Velvet,
Orange Mandarin,
Sweet & Tart,
Black Cherry,
Citrus Punch,
English Toffee,
Apple Candy,
Maraschino Cherry,
Almond flavor,
DX Cinnamon Danish,
Cola flavor,
Watermelon candy,
French vanilla creme,
Key Lime,
DX Bavarian creme,
Pie crust,
DX vanilla cupcake,
Sour flavor,
Grape candy,
Cherry crush (flavor west)
Lemon sicily (FA)
Cherry (FA)
Red touch strawberry (FA)
Sweetener (ecigxpress)
My mods, tanks, cotton, etc:
Smok X Cube Mini 75W
Joyetech eVic VT 60W
Joyetech Cuboid 150W
Crius Tank V3 RTA
Bellus Tank RTA
Cubis Tank RTA
eGo One Mega
Koh Gen Do pure cotton
26 awg kanthal wire (master of clouds)
I use the Coil Master kit to roll my wire and test it on the Coil Master 521 ohm meter.
If you or anyone has any input they would like to share. Please feel free to add it.
Thanks again for your input.
Man that is annoying for sure , what i am starting to realize is that instead of using a few prominent flavors at higher percentages i noticed a lot of really good mixers use more flavors but at very low percentages .
I see a lot of recipes with like 6 different flavors and only one or two flavors is above 5% , all the others are like 0.5 - 1 % 1.5% , maybe there is something to that .
Have you tried sweeteners like Suraclose?
Here is a GREAT site (bookmark it) on stand alone starting flavoring percentages for TFA Flavor Percentage Recommendations You will notice that they have flavoring percentages from 0.1% - 20%. So not all of them are good at 20%. 
That link gets updated so it really is worth saving it. Hopefully this will help and good luck - it took me almost a year to get the 2 all day vapes I am using now. 
That link gets updated so it really is worth saving it. Hopefully this will help and good luck - it took me almost a year to get the 2 all day vapes I am using now. 
How picky are you with premade juices?
Vape hardware could definitely be an issue, although of those flavors something should hit! Despite everyone claiming better flavor with every power increase, some my favorite flavors are only faves in an EVOD (e.g. 5.2 watts), with all "better" devices I taste nothing. Some of that may be my technique varies with diff. devices (when I first started branching out, it was messing up my technique with everything). I have no way to gauge how much of that's really the device and how much it's something odd with me. While no one has been able to give a satisfying answer why, at least I know something works.
There are also flavors I can't taste much of standalone and smell great, but do add something to a mix... About the only thing in your list I've tried is Key Lime, definitely should taste at 5-6%, probably better with at least 1% sweetener though.
Vape hardware could definitely be an issue, although of those flavors something should hit! Despite everyone claiming better flavor with every power increase, some my favorite flavors are only faves in an EVOD (e.g. 5.2 watts), with all "better" devices I taste nothing. Some of that may be my technique varies with diff. devices (when I first started branching out, it was messing up my technique with everything). I have no way to gauge how much of that's really the device and how much it's something odd with me. While no one has been able to give a satisfying answer why, at least I know something works.
There are also flavors I can't taste much of standalone and smell great, but do add something to a mix... About the only thing in your list I've tried is Key Lime, definitely should taste at 5-6%, probably better with at least 1% sweetener though.
Definitely annoying. I will have to look into the multiple flavors using them in very small amounts. The only Sweetener I have is the one I purchased from Ecigxpress. I'm not sure what type it is.
Thanks. I will definitely bookmark this. 2 years to get it right...wow!Here is a GREAT site (bookmark it) on stand alone starting flavoring percentages for TFA Flavor Percentage Recommendations You will notice that they have flavoring percentages from 0.1% - 20%. So not all of them are good at 20%.
I've only tried about a couple dozen premade juices. This is probably where it starts to get weird. Store 1: My first juice taste ever. I enjoyed it. Stores 2 -5: I thought their flavors were weak. Back to Store 1: Yep, flavors were stronger, but now I feel like I need a little bit more flavor in it. Try my own flavors again: No taste.
Ordered online from a couple vendors: Flavors seem to instantly pop! I likey like!
Back to my stuff again: No flavor. Back to Store 1: flavors taste weak to me. All of this has my taste buds on the verge of a taste breakdown.
I've never considered my hardware to be an issue...other than the wick material. But you do give me something to consider. Thanks.
Sorry for the late reply. Somehow I missed your reply. I had no idea that too much flavoring can turn off your taste buds. I've only tried a few, but again, no taste. I'm gonna go back to the drawing board and restart with smaller percentages.
Thanks for your reply.
I'm going to suggest you get some more custards and creams to put with those. Get at least CAP Vanilla Custard (v1 or v2) and TFA Vanilla Custard.
TFA: marshmallow, cotton candy, sweet cream, bavarian cream, graham cracker clear
CAP: cake batter
Adding those flavors to what you have will give you a ton of recipes that use 3-6 flavors and then I think you'll have some that you really enjoy.
TFA: marshmallow, cotton candy, sweet cream, bavarian cream, graham cracker clear
CAP: cake batter
Adding those flavors to what you have will give you a ton of recipes that use 3-6 flavors and then I think you'll have some that you really enjoy.
I am not saying using tiny amounts is the answer but i have noticed that trend on nearly every very popular recipe . I find it hard to believe such a small amount of certain flavorings can make a so so juice into an ADV but i keep seeing it more and more.
People talk about a recipe as being just OK and store bought juices having something extra that really pulls it together. Some are convinced there is a secret ingredient but i don't know for sure.
Adding a a few drops of this flavor and that flavor really does seem to make a difference , one flavor that i have noticed that changed a mediocre recipe into an all day vape for me was the addition of a small amount of Graham cracker/Cheesecake.
I was totally planning on ordering some more custards and cremes. But, I was planning on ordering them from either MVB or FW.
Thanks for the reply.
See that's what contributed to my confusion. I also see people putting very small drops of certain flavorings into their recipes and then I see people putting in 15-20% of this and that into their recipes.
Well, I tried both and nothing seemed to work for me. But I'm gonna try small again and build up.
Thanks.
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