48÷2(9+3) = ??

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Infernal2

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Ack, poorly written!

In my mind it would be (48 ÷ 2) * (9+3) to avoid confusion and then work it left to right. While I understand PEMDAS, multiplication and division are considered the same type of calculation, not that one necessarily triumphs over the other.

In other words, P.E.M-D.A-S, the multiplication and division occurring at the same time would trigger the left to right rule.
 

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Ack, poorly written!

In my mind it would be (48 ÷ 2) * (9+3) to avoid confusion and then work it left to right. While I understand PEMDAS, multiplication and division are considered the same type of calculation, not that one necessarily triumphs over the other.

In other words, P.E.M-D.A-S, the multiplication and division occurring at the same time would trigger the left to right rule.

Thank you Infernal2 that is what I was trying to say. PEMDAS is a guide to help people remember the order, but not a hard and fast rule for each letter. Multiplication and division are together, and so on.

Even math isn't perfect. Like divide 100 by 3 and put the answer in decimal forum you get 33.33333333 (repeat) now multiply that answer by 3 again and you don't get back to 100. You can get 100 in fraction forum, but not in decimal forum. It's like someone stole a little bite of the cake so it isn't quite whole again.
 

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In order to get 2 the problem would need to be rewritten as 48÷[2(9+3)] or even expressed as a fraction with 48 being the numerator.

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Now I'm starting to 2nd guess myself.
If my position is that in order to get 2 the problem would have to be written as 48÷[2(9+3)].
To be fair then, in order to get 288 it should be written as (48÷2)(9+3) to avoid ambiguity.
So the answer, as Infernal noted, is that it's just poorly written.
 
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This Post Was Copied From Yahoo! Answers.

I was unable to find the name of the author who wrote the following response about this topic.

Mathematics is supposed to provide you with single, definitive answers. However, in this case, it does not. I really scoured the internet and countless textbooks for the proper answer and have made inquiries with few people I know whom I venerate as some of the greatest minds that I have had the luxury of meeting and the answer isn't as definitive as you would hope. Sadly, the real answer is that both sides are correct to a point. (…and it pains me to even remotely admit that anything outside of 288 could be the answer).

Position 1: The Order of Operations: This stance states that since the standard order of operations puts multiplication and division on the same rank, the equation can be read as (48÷2)*(9+3). This reigns with truth as 48÷2(9+3) is the same as 48÷2*(9+3). Using the standardized left-to-right notation, the answer can be nothing outside of 288. This left-to-right concept is indicative of “PEMDAS” that we all learned in grade school.

Position 2: The Distributive Property: This stance states that multiplication through juxtaposition, being a commonplace concept, naturally makes a parenthetical implication around grouped numbers. Thus, the equation appears as 48÷[2(9+3)]. This technique is correct as well. However, this makes the answer 2.

If you are bored enough to read [reference 1], you’ll see that the writer has noted multiplication by juxtaposition as being used in algebraic nomenclature dating as far back as the fifteenth century. That being said, the standard left-to-right order of operations predates even that. The real problem is that both techniques are taught in our school systems, depending on the chosen literature. Both forms can be found dating far enough back that there’s a solid argument for either chosen notation. Sadly, there is no current ‘authority’ to standardize which is appropriate. As Doctor Peterson mentions in [reference 2] “When algebraic notation was first being developed, it was common for each writer to begin by explaining his own notation.” That seems to still be true as students are still being taught the distributive property and multiplication by juxtaposition as well as the standardized left-to-right order of operations. The correct answer breaks down to who is asking the question.

As much as you’d like it to be a single definitive answer, alas, it is not. In my opinion, that needs to change. Someone should standardize it. But the real answer here, to end all further questions on this topic, is the ambiguity of the formula makes it faulty to begin with. No self respecting mathematician would have used this notation. Formula ambiguity can destroy the outcome. This should have been written as 48 / (2 * (9+3)) or (48 / 2)*(9+3), thus guaranteeing the desired result.

To summarize, as much as one would like to claim one answer or the other, the sad reality is; being as there is no current standardization in this case, the answer is relative to the inquirer. In the future, if an “ab/cd” –type equation is proposed, you’re better off inquiring as to the proposer’s notation preference.

Source(s):
[Reference 1]: Earliest Uses of Symbols of Operation
[Reference 2]: Math Forum - Ask Dr. Math
 
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I just received an email from the originator of that problem and he stated his preference was to use the left to right notation. So , see the answer is clearly 288

Yeah, OK!

However, this occurred after the originator of the problem changed his answer from 2.

LOL

44 pages to go...
 
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So, we all need to go check our home and car loans for math errors. We could be paying much less ... or more, depending on whether the software vendors programmers went to school! Let's see, that would be 48 months divided by 2 ... hey Joe, how do you work these parenthesis things? If I do it one way, his payment is $2 month. That can't be right, can it? I know we have some promotions going on, but that can't be ... Heck, charge him $288 a month. That sounds better.
 
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This explains why I did so poorly in math. I had a 50/50 chance of getting it wrong from the start.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Thanks, PKZap27.

My 5 year old nephew loves to play "pick a hand". I can usually fool him by putting the coin in the same hand twice, then changing it in an unpredictable manner. Sounds kind of like the new math and the old math ... pick a hand.
 

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But the real answer here, to end all further questions on this topic, is the ambiguity of the formula makes it faulty to begin with. No self respecting mathematician would have used this notation. Formula ambiguity can destroy the outcome. This should have been written as 48 / (2 * (9+3)) or (48 / 2)*(9+3), thus guaranteeing the desired result.

OK come on this thread should die above is the real information. This is badly written. The one reason I will not accept 2 is despite other claims this is not a formula it is a calculation only. What is inside the parentheses must be done first and I only see one pair. Unless you make up some rule saying the multiplication somehow happens before division despite its position then the answer cannot be 2.

To get 2 you must say 2(9+3) is different than 2*(9+3) nobody should be arguing what 48/2*(9+3).

So in the end this problem is contrived through ambiguity to create argument and nothing more.
 
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