why don't you regulate yourself?
see my pointer finger in my avatar- that is my regulation, my safety, that is where my freedom begins and your regulation or the FDA's ends.
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why don't you regulate yourself?
see my pointer finger in my avatar- that is my regulation, my safety, that is where my freedom begins and your regulation or the FDA's ends.
I just ordered some lorans and will be getting some 48 from nhaler!!
Found this the other day, looks like a great tool made for regulating to me- eJuice Recipe Calculator enjoy.
Found this the other day, looks like a great tool made for regulating to me- eJuice Recipe Calculator enjoy.
to each his own!
honestly, i like the idea of self regulation. i wish everyone was smart enough to stop when they get a buzz.
but logically, someone is going to mess it up for everyone. that IS a good deal of nicotine and if/when something happens, it will be another strike against e-cigs.
sorry to play the devil's advocate...
honestly, i like the idea of self regulation. i wish everyone was smart enough to stop when they get a buzz.
but logically, someone is going to mess it up for everyone. that IS a good deal of nicotine and if/when something happens, it will be another strike against e-cigs.
sorry to play the devil's advocate...
There are too many variables for there to be one clear answer.
If PG is (god forbid) found to have any less-than-desirable effects, then it would make sense to get your nicotine in a rapid fashion such as this. Just a thought!
If PG is (god forbid) found to have any less-than-desirable effects, then it would make sense to get your nicotine in a rapid fashion such as this. Just a thought!
Well said Kreel! Thank you
I started low and went up in nic level. Finally got off of tobacco with 36mg. I'm 4 months clean now, still have an assortment of lower level juice around. If I vape less than 36mg for more than 1 day I get antsy.
36mg is what works for me. When I can no longer purchase 36mg I'll be getting 48 or 54 and cutting it.
Couple of posts in this thread got it right. We are all different in how we absorb nic. Available information suggests the amount actually absorbed vaping compared to smoking is very low.
Absolutely, start low and work up to what works for YOU. If that is 6mg or 12mg or 18mg or 24mg or or or or.....great. But if that IS the case for you, the lower concentration liquids work for YOU, please stop going all gloom and doom on those of us that simply require a higher level to stay off the tobacco.
Oh my. That almost qualifies as a rant for me.....
Peace
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I NEED 36mg to stay off analogs.
I can regulate myself, thank you very much.
Well, TW is making some good 54mg stuff, coming soon.
On how much is dangerous, remember the mg content is per ml. So, 36mg/ml is what you're getting. However, I remember reading something about how vaping 18mg put a third of the nicotine into you as a cigarette. So, while Jason at TW sells his 54mg to be cut, to get the same nicotine as a cig you'd probably NEED 54 straight.
Now, personally, I'd rather cut my addiction to nicotine. for that reason, I'm cutting to 18, and then bumping to 36 when i need that extra boost.
On how much is dangerous, remember the mg content is per ml. So, 36mg/ml is what you're getting. However, I remember reading something about how vaping 18mg put a third of the nicotine into you as a cigarette. So, while Jason at TW sells his 54mg to be cut, to get the same nicotine as a cig you'd probably NEED 54 straight.
Now, personally, I'd rather cut my addiction to nicotine. for that reason, I'm cutting to 18, and then bumping to 36 when i need that extra boost.
How many of us got a buzz when we smoked? I didn't.
How many of us get a buzz when we vape...?
How many of us would have switched to vaping if we didn't get enough nicotine...?
If you vape enough to get a buzz, you're getting more nicotine than you're adjusted to.
Based on the above quote, some of us are increasing the addiction to nicotine.
If/when we stop getting a buzz from our current liquid, who's to stop us from increasing the nicotine content (AGAIN)? *THIS IS WHY WE NEED REGULATION*
We didn't get a buzz from our analogs, and we don't need one from our e-cigs. We need to draw a line between satisfaction and being hedonistic.
60mg of nicotine is considered a lethal dose. The half life of nicotine is ~2 hours.
Stevesnell... I apologize for using your quote in this manner, nothing personal was intended.
That's crazy talk. I sell e-cigs, and if the 24mg wasn't enough to satisfy a smoker then I would never sell anything. We wouldn't be here...that would mean the 18-24mg alot of us started with was less than half the nicotine we got from analogs. Vaping wouldn't have taken off.
I did. Big one. So you didn't experince it. Boo Hoo for you.
Last thing I want is regulation by some old biddy who is going to tell me what is too dangerous for me. I'm an adult human being and I DO NOT NEED A NANNY.
IF some dopey cluck kills himself with E-liquid, we should bury him and move on, not appoint someone to save us from ourselves.
24mg is JUST ENOUGH to satisfy you if you use it like a ......n IV drip!!!!!
The New Zealand study shows that 24mg liquid...isn't 24mg. The absorbion rate is miniscule. I strongly suspect their numbers will be upped a tad in subsequent studies with experinced vapers, but it will still be shown to be LOW LOW LOW.
Yes we did. That means you are wrong.
Yes we do. That means you are wrong.
No we don't. That means you are wrong.
I honestly don't think that requiring 36mg in order to stay off of tobacco as being hedonistic. For me, that is what it takes.
How much did you smoke in a day? I smoked between 1-1.5 packs a day. The ONLY time I got a buzz was in the morning when I had my first smoke, due to acute tolerance diminishing overnight.
My boss (once again, I sell e-cigs) smoked for 38 years and is 50, and never got a buzz from cigarettes. However, she gets a buzz from smoking 24mg. My co-workers and I were given 36mg liquid as a gift, and the only one of us able to smoke it was my boss, though she says it's too strong for her tastes. The rest of us find it to be unenjoyable at best, and sickening at worst.
I've already covered the aspect of the nicotine absorption... it's different for everyone, which would explain the varied feedback. However...
Did you notice the rate of absorption listed on the study? Quoting the study, "Five minutes smoking gives maximum effect within 20 minutes."
Based on that, you don't have to be some "dopey cluck" to OD. By the time the realization of OD hit, it would be too late as nicotine would continue to enter the bloodstream. This is especially true for higher nicotine e-liquids.
There are too many variables, but I already posted that. Based on the information we have though, I was correct in saying that this is dangerous.... that means you are wrong.
And the last time I checked, we already do have a nanny. Have you heard of the drinking age, speed limit, and all of the other laws? This wouldn't be any different, and I'm sure people were ...... in the past as well. But, that means you are wrong.
Please come back with a real argument and not a rant based on emotion.
I'm not saying everything above 24mg is bad, but I am saying that there needs to be a line.
I just received my VX2 this morning. It's my first e-cig. Now I'm just using the included cartridges, but I'll tell you so far I'm not getting any of that good happy buzz I get from one or two puffs from my Djarum Blacks. I think the Djarums are not nearly as strong as most cigarettes as I can't even take a drag off of a camel light as it burns my throat so bad.
Then again I did notice this e-cig really burns my throat when I inhale it.
I'll buy some juice online and see how that treats me.
Then again I did notice this e-cig really burns my throat when I inhale it.
I'll buy some juice online and see how that treats me.
I cant wait to try 54Mg, and I wish I could find a source for 64Mg E-Liquid.
I would love to try it. I do vape 36Mg non stop, but when I vape 48Mg I find myself vapping a whole lot less.
I just don't vape 48Mg, because I don't want a 48Mg addiction to Nicotine.
Just to stop all the hatters.
5 puffs of 36Mg is = to 3 puffs of 48Mg.
Actually...
4 puffs of 36mg= 3 puffs of 48mg
If you say you vape the 48mg "a whole lot less", then you're also implying the 48mg is a whole lot more. If at the end your math was to imply it's not a big difference, then you were contradicting yourself.
The only fair way to say it is 25%. Factor in the high toxicity of nicotine and the slow rate of absorption via e-cigs, and 25% is a pretty big difference.
Maybe I was wrong about the puffs.
Yet, Puffs do add up, and yes I do vape a lot less with 48Mg. I can get a buzz going on with it. Which is something that I can not do with 36Mg.
Also how is it a slow absorption of Nicotine when it's in your lungs that blood passes threw, and that blood hits the hart. Then moves threw your whole body?
Yet, Puffs do add up, and yes I do vape a lot less with 48Mg. I can get a buzz going on with it. Which is something that I can not do with 36Mg.
Also how is it a slow absorption of Nicotine when it's in your lungs that blood passes threw, and that blood hits the hart. Then moves threw your whole body?
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/15034-nicotine-absorbtion-vaping-research-19.html
Read through here, as I'm not going to post in this thread anymore. This is pretty important stuff IMO, and I THINK it explains why some vapers cannot get a buzz regardless of nicotine content.
Read through, paying attention to Atre. We need a study done from his aspect... not just nicotine levels. Sorry for giving some of you a hard time
Read through here, as I'm not going to post in this thread anymore. This is pretty important stuff IMO, and I THINK it explains why some vapers cannot get a buzz regardless of nicotine content.
Read through, paying attention to Atre. We need a study done from his aspect... not just nicotine levels. Sorry for giving some of you a hard time
So the self important ******** WHO NOT ONLY thinks he can tell us what we have experinced in the past, AND Thinks he has the right to tell us what we can experince in the future wants a 'real' arguement?
Oh, my heart bleeds for your plight!
I've been smoking for almost 40 years. Any "buzz" from analoga was so long ago that I can't remember.
I don't get a buzz from vaping, never have. I Couldn't quit with patches, gum, Zyban and I have been know to smoke while wearing a patch. I think part of it may have been the "hand to mouth" that vaping addresses.
Hedonistic? Really? Because I enjoy a full-bodied vape?
You also don't run barefoot in the grass, laugh till you can't breathe, or fall in love, do you?
Life is meant to be enjoyed. Let me enjoy mine. I'm sick of health nazis.
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