5 days vaping-observations and question..

[Aimee]

Hi everyone. So 5 days into vaping now and I'm loving experimenting and testing flavors. Flavors may just be my new obsession LOL I got some samples from vermillion river, and a few from juicy vapor. VR's seem to be a bit more concentrated but less sweet to me. So far tried pumpkin pie, orange cream and wake-n-vape from JV. The orange is faint with more of the vanilla cream, low flavor overall. Me and hubby's all time favorite right now is the wake-n-vape, Yummy! Now all the flavors I've ordered 0 nic to do my own mixes. Since these come in different nic strengths, I'm guessing these aren't concentrated but ready to vape as is? I tried this with JV's Pumpkin Pie..wow..maybe too strong for that flavor. Not so much pumpkin but the spices! It feels like I inhaled nutmeg and allspice and it gets stuck in the back of your throat for a while. But I was able to use the wake-n-vape at 25% and could probably handle more. Going to try Lorann soon, I like the idea of lots of flavor without using a lot of liquid.

I've DEFINITELY noticed a bit of reaction from my high PG% mixes, so has hubby. We are both drinking a LOT of water to try to counteract this, but still get a fever feeling, hot eyes, dry scratchy throat, swollen glands. We also both still have tonsils. I've been wondering if there is a correlation between PG reactions and not having tonsils removed..curious. We started out our nic at 6mg since the analogs we smoke/d are ultra lights, but after changing to PG/VG 50/50 we raised the nic to 9mg. Now just messing with flavor concentrations. We have cut WAY back on analogs and are already seeing big $ savings. (Quitting was not our goal, but open to the possibility) It seems we can already smell/taste more, but after just 5 days that may be psychological? Not sure..

I have a question about the LR atty. Does that mean it is easier or harder to drag? I have the Joye 510, and when I cover a couple of the air holes where the battery connects to the atty,(not often, just to see the effect) this feels more like what I'm looking for. Or would the mega model achieve this? Not quite sure how the LR atty fits in or what the compatibility is there. Seems when I have a nice freshly charged battery, freshly filled cart..the first few vapes are great. An hour or two later I get nothing, not much throat hit or flavor. Granted I've been vaping a lot because it's new to me, but seems too early for my taste buds to go on strike like I've read in other threads after a couple of months.

Aimee

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Hi.
Do not use Low Resistance(LR) on a reg 510..... should only be used on batteries that are at least 450mah...such as an ego or a riva 510. sounds like the setup you have isn't quite strong enough for you....look at liberty-flights.com click on the 20% discount icon and let us know what you think. you can get a full setup for under 40.00.
good luck


also try a mix of pg/vg such as 50/50 or 60/40. vaporrenu is great for flavor...they have concentrated juices especially the flavor west juices....yum

 

[Del Boy]

Hi aimee - seems like you and hubby are doing great there. I would just say hold on in there. Things will change for you in the coming weeks. You may well end up being one of the many accidental quitters that are all around this place.

I know what you mean about the draw. I'd like mine to be a little tighter but haven't yet found a way to make it so as yet.
The fluffy head and dry throat will improve and eventually go away. Your throat is being exposed to a whole new way of you taking nicotine and will adjust to it in a couple of weeks.
LR attys will drain the power from your battery a lot quicker than a normal atty. It should give you more hit and more vapor. It will inevitably use more juice/liquid in doing this.
My taste buds came back to life after about a week of not smoking. The knock on effect was that it changed the taste of the flavours i was vaping. It all settles down though after a couple of weeks. Whenever i can't taste much i get out my menthol only atty and use that for a couple of hours.
Your e cig will work better after just being charged then the power drops a little.
Hope this helps a little. Unfortunately i'm still relatively new myself. 8 weeks tomoz...hey hey.

 

[wv2win]

Throat hit or the "inhaled feel" of an analog, is 95% attributed to two things: higher nicotine strength and warmth of the vapor which comes from better, larger batteries. LR attys can compensate some for using small batteries such as on a regular 510. However, I believe you cannot use an LR atty on a regular 510 because the battery is too dinky. You will need to at least move up to a Riva or eGo 510. Considering the low mg strength liquid you are using, getting much of any throat hit/inhaled feel will be more difficult. There have been quite a few posts from vapers who use to vape 24 & 36mg strength liquid who were able to reduce it to 12-16mg strength and still get good throat hit by using a good 5 volt or now, variable volt PV.

 

[dormouse]

You cannot use an LR atty on Joye 510 without risking damaging and killing the battery. LR attys and cartos are for 450mah+ batteries like Ego and Riva 510 and mods. A Joye 510 is 180mah.

Whether what you bought are flavorings or juices - I have no idea. Do you have a link to the page where you bought them?

People do DIY with concentrated professional flavors (meant for flavoring food and stronger than grocery store kinds) and tobacco flavorings (ones meant for flavoring tobacco), only the ones that are safe for vaping. A couple of DIY shops at OneStopDIYShop and DIYFlavorShack. Many juice vendors also sell flavorings but they call them flavorings. The ECF DIY section has a lot of help - read the guides which include lists of different brand flavorings or links to lists, and the lists generally mark ones that are not safe to vape.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/

 

[Aimee]

Thanks for the replies!

Hmm looks like I need (in best Tim Taylor voice) "more power! arh arh"..and possibly more nic Guess I'll be saving up for an eGo. Here I thought I would only ever want something close to the size of an analog LOL (Yeah, after watching some youtube vids I kinda like the idea of that wetbox too ha!...in good time)

Just to be sure, the eGo is completely 510 compatible right, with a bigger/longer lasting battery? Since we bought a house we haven't used analogs in the house or car, so this is a wonderful novelty vaping away at my computer. I actually drained a fully charged joye 510 battery in 3 hours!

 

[AttyPops]

Hi everyone.......I have a question about the LR atty. Does that mean it is easier or harder to drag?

Hi. Welcome.

The resistance of an atomizer is electrical resistance. Thus, lower = more power (kinda like less friction... less resistance = more electricity). Those batteries only last about an hour or so on a good day with standard atomizers. LR atomizers will make them last even less between charges since it uses more power faster. You could try a 2.5 ohm atty, if you don't mind recharging even more. Or, get a passthrough. Or a big battery PT.

Probably not taste buds on strike (although they are union, and can strike at any time) ... rather poor atomization due to low battery.

Good Luck!

EDIT: P.S. you posted while I was typing, so I append an answer. Yes... eGo = 510 connector.

P.P.S. Oh, and if you do use LR atties on the eGo unit... I don't suggest anything lower than 2.0 ohms. The 1.5 ohm atties have been know to fry eGo units with heavy vaping (or so I hear). Some people use them, and "risk it". Of course, there are many model variations, and atties too, so it's hard to pin down the exact combo that may cause an issue. But if 2.0 ohm is sufficient, then why risk it?

OTOH.. If you want to have fun, once you get the eGo units... use the 1.5 ohm LR atties on the small 510 batteries. lol. Since you don't care about them anymore... vape away. It just stresses the battery a bit, but I don't think it will fry since it can't put out enough amps. The eGo CAN put out more amps and that's why it can fry the circuitry with 1.5 ohm LR atties. lol.

 

[Del Boy]

Ha haaa - sounds like you're getting right into it there aimee. Good on yer.

Yes your Ego will have a 510. You and partner will have lots of add-ons/extras to try out with the 510 fitting.

Enjoy.

 

[Aimee]

You cannot use an LR atty on Joye 510 without risking damaging and killing the battery. LR attys and cartos are for 450mah+ batteries like Ego and Riva 510 and mods. A Joye 510 is 180mah.

Whether what you bought are flavorings or juices - I have no idea. Do you have a link to the page where you bought them?

People do DIY with concentrated professional flavors (meant for flavoring food and stronger than grocery store kinds) and tobacco flavorings (ones meant for flavoring tobacco), only the ones that are safe for vaping. A couple of DIY shops at OneStopDIYShop and DIYFlavorShack. Many juice vendors also sell flavorings but they call them flavorings. The ECF DIY section has a lot of help - read the guides which include lists of different brand flavorings or links to lists, and the lists generally mark ones that are not safe to vape.

DIY e-liquid

Thanks dormouse! I got some samples of this type in different flavors Wake~N~Vape

and these 4.5 ML Sample Bottle
All in 0 nic. On the juicyvapor I went with the lower PG.

 

[swedishfish]

Thanks for the replies!

Hmm looks like I need (in best Tim Taylor voice) "more power! arh arh"..and possibly more nic Guess I'll be saving up for an eGo. Here I thought I would only ever want something close to the size of an analog LOL (Yeah, after watching some youtube vids I kinda like the idea of that wetbox too ha!...in good time)

Just to be sure, the eGo is completely 510 compatible right, with a bigger/longer lasting battery? Since we bought a house we haven't used analogs in the house or car, so this is a wonderful novelty vaping away at my computer. I actually drained a fully charged joye 510 battery in 3 hours!

You need higher nicotine. I don't know why people that smoked are so afraid of nicotine, but you need enough nicotine to prevent you from craving analogs and you'll vape less. The averge is between 18-24 if you check the poll section. It's easy to lower the nicotine.

 

[dormouse]

Yes - when there are nicotine choices they are ejuices. And it says premium E Juice. They are juices, not flavorings. BTW a great place to get zero nic is Tasty Vapor'2 doublers - 0nic and slightly over $10 for 2 full ounces (60ml)

Re Ego and 510 -

Ego can use everything 510 uses except the charger or PCCs (will not fit and would charge really slow)

510 cannot use everything Ego uses. 510 cannot use LR attys or cartos 510 cannot use EGo's stronger charger. Either of those can damage slim 510 batteries. I have an Ego clone and as soon as I got the chargers I labeled them so I don't accidentally screw a slim 510 battery in one.

Re your sore throat - nicotine in very high PG can do that. Nicotine is a skin irritant. 30% VG kept me for getting a sore tongue and throat. Now I am on really low nic and use 80pg/20vg because I think my cartos work well longer with thinner juices.

 

[ShannonA]

Hi everyone. So 5 days into vaping now and I'm loving experimenting and testing flavors. Flavors may just be my new obsession LOL I got some samples from vermillion river, and a few from juicy vapor. VR's seem to be a bit more concentrated but less sweet to me. So far tried pumpkin pie, orange cream and wake-n-vape from JV. The orange is faint with more of the vanilla cream, low flavor overall. Me and hubby's all time favorite right now is the wake-n-vape, Yummy! Now all the flavors I've ordered 0 nic to do my own mixes. Since these come in different nic strengths, I'm guessing these aren't concentrated but ready to vape as is? I tried this with JV's Pumpkin Pie..wow..maybe too strong for that flavor. Not so much pumpkin but the spices! It feels like I inhaled nutmeg and allspice and it gets stuck in the back of your throat for a while. But I was able to use the wake-n-vape at 25% and could probably handle more. Going to try Lorann soon, I like the idea of lots of flavor without using a lot of liquid.

I've DEFINITELY noticed a bit of reaction from my high PG% mixes, so has hubby. We are both drinking a LOT of water to try to counteract this, but still get a fever feeling, hot eyes, dry scratchy throat, swollen glands. We also both still have tonsils. I've been wondering if there is a correlation between PG reactions and not having tonsils removed..curious. We started out our nic at 6mg since the analogs we smoke/d are ultra lights, but after changing to PG/VG 50/50 we raised the nic to 9mg. Now just messing with flavor concentrations. We have cut WAY back on analogs and are already seeing big $ savings. (Quitting was not our goal, but open to the possibility) It seems we can already smell/taste more, but after just 5 days that may be psychological? Not sure..

I have a question about the LR atty. Does that mean it is easier or harder to drag? I have the Joye 510, and when I cover a couple of the air holes where the battery connects to the atty,(not often, just to see the effect) this feels more like what I'm looking for. Or would the mega model achieve this? Not quite sure how the LR atty fits in or what the compatibility is there. Seems when I have a nice freshly charged battery, freshly filled cart..the first few vapes are great. An hour or two later I get nothing, not much throat hit or flavor. Granted I've been vaping a lot because it's new to me, but seems too early for my taste buds to go on strike like I've read in other threads after a couple of months.

Aimee

I have tonsils the only reaction I get is a dry nose when I blow the vapor out of my nose...pg and vg are both dryers so this isn't surprising. I did have post nasal drip for a time but its gone away now....hope that helps.

 

[Aimee]

Hi. Welcome.

The resistance of an atomizer is electrical resistance. Thus, lower = more power (kinda like less friction... less resistance = more electricity). Those batteries only last about an hour or so on a good day with standard atomizers. LR atomizers will make them last even less between charges since it uses more power faster. You could try a 2.5 ohm atty, if you don't mind recharging even more. Or, get a passthrough. Or a big battery PT.

Probably not taste buds on strike (although they are union, and can strike at any time) ... rather poor atomization due to low battery.

Good Luck!

EDIT: P.S. you posted while I was typing, so I append an answer. Yes... eGo = 510 connector.

P.P.S. Oh, and if you do use LR atties on the eGo unit... I don't suggest anything lower than 2.0 ohms. The 1.5 ohm atties have been know to fry eGo units with heavy vaping (or so I hear). Some people use them, and "risk it". Of course, there are many model variations, and atties too, so it's hard to pin down the exact combo that may cause an issue. But if 2.0 ohm is sufficient, then why risk it?

OTOH.. If you want to have fun, once you get the eGo units... use the 1.5 ohm LR atties on the small 510 batteries. lol. Since you don't care about them anymore... vape away. It just stresses the battery a bit, but I don't think it will fry since it can't put out enough amps. The eGo CAN put out more amps and that's why it can fry the circuitry with 1.5 ohm LR atties. lol.

OH goodness LMAO! Ok..whew..or should I say ohm mAH goodness? Heh. Vaping is like going to another country, even when you learn the language it's hard to keep up with the natives heheeee. Good to know resistance doesn't have anything to do with *air* resistance ~d'oh I feel silly!

 

[Aimee]

You need higher nicotine. I don't know why people that smoked are so afraid of nicotine, but you need enough nicotine to prevent you from craving analogs and you'll vape less. The averge is between 18-24 if you check the poll section. It's easy to lower the nicotine.

Thanks swedishfish! I guess it's truth in advertising, if there had been a skull and crossbones and all the "danger poison-be careful!" warning on a pack of analogs like they do with ejuice and websites I might not have started in the first place...maybe. I kinda was worried I might o.d. on nic if I tried 24mg. Not really sure how much I had been putting in my body with analogs, or if there was ever much difference between "ultra lights, lights" etc.

 

[AttyPops]

..or should I say ohm mAH goodness?

ROFL.
And I see you're from the south.... So I had a southern belle mental image with that quote... mAH mAH mAH. lol. Great pun.

P.S. What ever you do... don't feel silly about asking questions!!!!!

 

[swedishfish]

Thanks swedishfish! I guess it's truth in advertising, if there had been a skull and crossbones and all the "danger poison-be careful!" warning on a pack of analogs like they do with ejuice and websites I might not have started in the first place...maybe. I kinda was worried I might o.d. on nic if I tried 24mg. Not really sure how much I had been putting in my body with analogs, or if there was ever much difference between "ultra lights, lights" etc.

You get less nicotine with lite cigs but the addiction is the same.

If you didn't OD on cigarettes, it's doubtful you'll OD on juice. I vape 24 & sometimes 30, but I don't vape a lot compared to some people. When I vaped lower nic. I did.

I didn't start vaping to quit (I didn't think it was possible) but once I found I liked vaping and my nicotine craving was satisfied I realized it was possible. Don't worry about the numbers, you need enough that you aren't craving analogs (cigs). Once you do that, lower it.

If you're still smoking & vaping, that leads me to believe that the nic in the liquid isn't cutting it.

 

[studio52]

Try low % nic juices with a good mix maybe 60vg 40 pg or 50/50 will produce great vapor and good flavor on your 510 atty..keep the atty moist but be carefull not to "flood" it...you will know when flooding ocors, lots of gurgling sound and leakage of your ejuice....hang in there its worth the effort.

 

[wv2win]

Try low % nic juices with a good mix maybe 60vg 40 pg or 50/50 will produce great vapor and good flavor on your 510 atty..keep the atty moist but be carefull not to "flood" it...you will know when flooding ocors, lots of gurgling sound and leakage of your ejuice....hang in there its worth the effort.

Not good advice, IMO. Based on the OP's original post, she needs a higher nicotine strength eliquid as the vast majority of new people to vaping need to make the transition. As swedishfish suggested, kick up the nic strength to about 24mg for a while. You can always lower it if need be, but you can't make low nic liquid higher.

 

[MattZuke]

Or, get a passthrough. Or a big battery PT.

Passthroughs are kind of touchy. USB on a PC using standard spec is only rated for 500mA. 2.5ohm @ 3.7v = 1480mA. That's no good. Obviously you can output more on many, but you want something like an ipad power supply, though 1.5ohm would really push the limit of that (edit: Exceed the limit by 500mA). I'd go with something like the Leo or the Volcano, both have USB connections on the tip which will at least accept a charge thus reducing the load on your supply.

I can say the t-rex can handle 1.5ohm, which is also on liberty flights, the same people that sell the Riva 510.

 

[ancient puffer]

The general consensus seems to be to use a USB passthru (PT) attached to an AC/USB adapter you plug into the wall. That way you don't stress your USB port on the computer. Bear in mind, a normal PT will only eliminate the battery, everything else will be the same. If you get a 5v PT, make sure the AC/USB wall adapter is robust enough to power it, some are not.