510 cart/juice/flavor question, though may apply to other PVs

[WebJunkie]

Here's an interesting one for you.

Take a tobacco juice. Top off a cart with juice. (cart doesn't matter. 510. Tried standard, straw mod, and several PTB implementations). For a while, vaping tastes like the juice smells (surprisingly sweet, with no actual tobacco smell really). After a while, the taste turns. If you fill up the cart again at this point, you get 2-4 drops in it.

When the taste turns, it tastes basically like a tobacco-ey taste. Tastes almost nothing like the fluid smells though. If you continue to vape, vapor production is good. The taste/flavor is amazingly clear. It's not what the fluid smells like, really, but it's prominent. After vaping on this for a semi-substantial amount of time, and then go to fill up the cart, you get 9-12 drops in the cart. The top of the cart also shows as wet, and vapor production all along has been good.

Do you have any explanation for the taste change? Do some juices just have their taste alter if you basically overload the cart with the juice?

I know, it's a wonky question. I haven't had a chance yet to verify this across different atomizers or juices, but I should be able to soon. Initially I thought the atomizer was running dry, but the top of the cart is still wet, and if I leave the 510 alone for a while and come back to it, the taste is the same as I left it, and continues as such, at no time going back to the sweet flavor until I refill the cart and puff a few times, then the tobacco-ey flavor is replaced with the sweet flavor that matches the smell of the juice.

Oh, and yes, only this juice has ever been put into these carts with these fillings.

Once I have more juice varieties and atomizers (just shipped today, should be here soon-ish), I will do some further testing, but I figured I would throw the question out there with the info I have now and see what turns up.

Thanks in advance!

 

[Kent C]

Here's an interesting one for you.

Take a tobacco juice. Top off a cart with juice. (cart doesn't matter. 510. Tried standard, straw mod, and several PTB implementations). For a while, vaping tastes like the juice smells (surprisingly sweet, with no actual tobacco smell really). After a while, the taste turns. If you fill up the cart again at this point, you get 2-4 drops in it.

When the taste turns, it tastes basically like a tobacco-ey taste. Tastes almost nothing like the fluid smells though. If you continue to vape, vapor production is good. The taste/flavor is amazingly clear. It's not what the fluid smells like, really, but it's prominent. After vaping on this for a semi-substantial amount of time, and then go to fill up the cart, you get 9-12 drops in the cart. The top of the cart also shows as wet, and vapor production all along has been good.

Do you have any explanation for the taste change? Do some juices just have their taste alter if you basically overload the cart with the juice?

I know, it's a wonky question. I haven't had a chance yet to verify this across different atomizers or juices, but I should be able to soon. Initially I thought the atomizer was running dry, but the top of the cart is still wet, and if I leave the 510 alone for a while and come back to it, the taste is the same as I left it, and continues as such, at no time going back to the sweet flavor until I refill the cart and puff a few times, then the tobacco-ey flavor is replaced with the sweet flavor that matches the smell of the juice.

Oh, and yes, only this juice has ever been put into these carts with these fillings.

Once I have more juice varieties and atomizers (just shipped today, should be here soon-ish), I will do some further testing, but I figured I would throw the question out there with the info I have now and see what turns up.

Thanks in advance!

Read this:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...janty-stick-v2-owners-weigh-3.html#post566071

The same 'mechanics' are happening in the 510 but it really isn't as pronounced. The best method to avoid this on the 510 is the straw mod, imo:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/11421-cart-mod-better-refilling.html

The other thing that can be going on is if you're truly power vaping where there is not enough time for the juice to wick to the top and the bad taste or the lack of flavor is that you're vaping air. The 'solution' to power vaping is to increase your nic level in your juice or... have some either 24 or 36mg if you can handle it, on hand and put a few drops in when you need it on a refill. But as in the above explanation esp. with tobacco flavors, if you keep 'vaping off the top of the cart' then some of the juice is going to get old at the bottom of the cart and will get strong.

 

[kno]

im no chemist but is it possible to that all of the flavor is vaporized at high temp initially and what you taste later are only the remaing flavors not burnt off and the pg/vg?

 

[crashtestjeep]

try taking the stuffing out of the cart, wash it, press between paper towles til dry, trim off the edges lenghth wise, refill n go. Sometimes, the filler is stuffed in packed too tight. It needs to hold in the juice wout leakage, yet be able to have room so the fibers cabn spread when heated. Heat makes it all expand a little. It will wick better, and vape more consistant too.

 

[AZAndy]

The sweet taste you mention makes me think there's a slight overfill going on. The surface of the cartridge filling doesn't need to be sopping wet, just slightly damp. Went through something similar on an 801.

 

[WebJunkie]

Read this:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...janty-stick-v2-owners-weigh-3.html#post566071

The same 'mechanics' are happening in the 510 but it really isn't as pronounced. The best method to avoid this on the 510 is the straw mod, imo:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/11421-cart-mod-better-refilling.html

The other thing that can be going on is if you're truly power vaping where there is not enough time for the juice to wick to the top and the bad taste or the lack of flavor is that you're vaping air. The 'solution' to power vaping is to increase your nic level in your juice or... have some either 24 or 36mg if you can handle it, on hand and put a few drops in when you need it on a refill. But as in the above explanation esp. with tobacco flavors, if you keep 'vaping off the top of the cart' then some of the juice is going to get old at the bottom of the cart and will get strong.

Same thing happens even on brand new carts i just filled from scratch.

And for the too hot idea, I stuck the atomizer out of the window while going 70mph on the highway. Pulled it back in, same taste.

Awesome ideas. I do agree I need to get a higher nic juice for the mornings though.

im no chemist but is it possible to that all of the flavor is vaporized at high temp initially and what you taste later are only the remaing flavors not burnt off and the pg/vg?

It's possible but the flavor is still there if I leave the cart alone for hours too.

try taking the stuffing out of the cart, wash it, press between paper towles til dry, trim off the edges lenghth wise, refill n go. Sometimes, the filler is stuffed in packed too tight. It needs to hold in the juice wout leakage, yet be able to have room so the fibers cabn spread when heated. Heat makes it all expand a little. It will wick better, and vape more consistant too.

this was one of the first ideas I'd had, roughly. I assumed the atty was running dry, so I tried the straw mod and some PTB mods to try and make sure I was getting enough juice flow. I'm pretty sure it's not juice flow at this point though, and am starting to think the sweet flavor being primarily around on a full cart means I only lik the taste when the atty is flooded and working inefficiently.

But then, I get good vapor out of both instances, and sometimes it even feels like vapor production goes up when the sweet goes away and the tobacco-ey flavor comes out.



Toughie eh?

 

[WebJunkie]

The sweet taste you mention makes me think there's a slight overfill going on. The surface of the cartridge filling doesn't need to be sopping wet, just slightly damp. Went through something similar on an 801.

Yes, I think this may actually be the answer, but until I have some equipment to test some variables (i.e. swaping out the atomizer to eliminate that, and having another juice to try to eliminate the factor that maybe it's just a tricky juice) it's hard to say for sure on my end.

When I pull off the carts after the flavor has changed, they're still quite damp. If I pull out the fillers, they still have plenty of juice in them, and if I just keep on vaping, it does require more nic to top off.

Sideline example: If I pull out a blank pre-filled (batting) cart, and drop into it, the 2 times I did this, I got roughly 18-20 drops in.

However, I am not having any issues with leaking, and it seems if I was over-filling the carts, there would be more leaking issues. I've /had/ leaking (I was way over-filling carts my first week, leaving that "bubble" of juice on the top before I put it in the atomizer) so I'm pretty confident when I say that what I'm doing currently isn't leaking. Even just to inside the PPC. If I pull off the atomizer and dab it on a bit of paper, it's dry.

My extra kit supplies need to come in

 

[WebJunkie]

After spending a few hours with one of my PTB mods, I have to say, I think it was the atty running dry / filler not wicking well enough.

Latest cart today takes 6-7 drops when the good flavor tapers off.

I have a few more iterations of PTB that I want to try out, as this PTB is working well but is difficult to fill as it blocks so well.

I'll try to document the types of PTB that work out well, as I have a few different variations to try.