No you'd have the original cart end cap on both.. Just make sure that your straw/tube dont go back so far it dont block the exhaust hole on the cap.
510 double long 2.5x cart mod.. Easy mod.
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No you'd have the original cart end cap on both.. Just make sure that your straw/tube dont go back so far it dont block the exhaust hole on the cap.
Do you think you could drill out all the carts and use a single unbent plugged tube? The straw gets thinner near where it's bent. I just thought a tube might hold more liquid if we can find one just thinner than the cart. Like an e-dobbit that you can breathe through. Ant any rate, I like where this is going!
If you mean jus tthe 2nd cart then ya.. If your talking both carts (the one thats at the atty) then no.. Well no unless you somehow attach the tube so it dont move around and can handle the high heat of the atty.
Thats why i mentioned leaving the top part of the first cart in place as it will hold the tube and the air passages are in place for the exhaust.
If we can find a very thin wall 1/4 tube and can cap the end off, then were golden!
Hell, if my wife didnt have the car with her at work all day today... i'd be at the store looking.. though we can hunt online.
Should checkout www.usplastics.com
Need 1/4 or so with a thin wall 16th of an inch if possable hehe. an 8th seems to thick at that 1/4" diameter size.
This is getting awful close to an idea I'm working on so I might as well jump in.
Found this.
Harvel Clear? Rigid PVC Pipe | U.S. Plastic Corp.
I think the sizes are ID
Found this.
Harvel Clear? Rigid PVC Pipe | U.S. Plastic Corp.
I think the sizes are ID
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Yep - 1/4" (smallest listed) is ID - OD is .54"
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1/4" OD would have to be 1/16" wall... if it were 1/8" wall, it wouldn't be a tube (1/8 * 2 = 1/4 ~ no space left for an opening). Actually 1/32" wall would be better, but I didn't see anything like that on the site.
But - the ID of the 510 cart is oblong - 5mm on the flats x 7mm on the rounded, at least at the opening - so even a 1/4" OD (~6.41mm) would be a tough fit.
The link you provided does have an interesting possibility:
Nalgene®180 Metric PVC Clear Tubing | U.S. Plastic Corp.
Item No. 58087
3.0mm ID x 5.0mm OD x 1.0mm Wall Nalgene® 180 Metric PVC Clear Tubing
But - they only sell it by the box of 82' @ $54 (now that would mod a bunch of carts!!)
And there is still the issue of plugging one end - I say 'plug', because you couldn't 'cap' it - a cap would make the OD too large to put thru the hollowed out cart(s). But even with a plug, you have to be carefull that it doesn't expand the OD of the tubing to make its seal.
It occurs to me, you might be able to plug tubing by injecting a small amount of melted parafin wax. The end of the tube requiring the plug is the end away from the atty, so heat wouldn't be an issue. Once cooled, the parafin would not absorb or react with the liquid. Not in a position to try it at this moment...
If a successful plug method can be found, then your 3/16" (~4.8mm) OD straw is probably the easiest available tube, especially since the walls are so thin. Thinner the walls = larger the ID = larger the liquid capacity.
You'll have to share the exact brand of straw you have, because the ones I have are 1/4" OD.
-bogie
EDIT: Got a response to an inquiry to see if I could get a sample of the tubing - was told no...
Yep - 1/4" (smallest listed) is ID - OD is .54"
@ eclypse
1/4" OD would have to be 1/16" wall... if it were 1/8" wall, it wouldn't be a tube (1/8 * 2 = 1/4 ~ no space left for an opening)
. Actually 1/32" wall would be better, but I didn't see anything like that on the site.But - the ID of the 510 cart is oblong - 5mm on the flats x 7mm on the rounded, at least at the opening - so even a 1/4" OD (~6.41mm) would be a tough fit.
The link you provided does have an interesting possibility:
Nalgene®180 Metric PVC Clear Tubing | U.S. Plastic Corp.
Item No. 58087
3.0mm ID x 5.0mm OD x 1.0mm Wall Nalgene® 180 Metric PVC Clear Tubing
But - they only sell it by the box of 82' @ $54 (now that would mod a bunch of carts!!)
And there is still the issue of plugging one end - I say 'plug', because you couldn't 'cap' it - a cap would make the OD too large to put thru the hollowed out cart(s). But even with a plug, you have to be carefull that it doesn't expand the OD of the tubing to make its seal.
It occurs to me, you might be able to plug tubing by injecting a small amount of melted parafin wax. The end of the tube requiring the plug is the end away from the atty, so heat wouldn't be an issue. Once cooled, the parafin would not absorb or react with the liquid. Not in a position to try it at this moment...
If a successful plug method can be found, then your 3/16" (~4.8mm) OD straw is probably the easiest available tube, especially since the walls are so thin. Thinner the walls = larger the ID = larger the liquid capacity.
You'll have to share the exact brand of straw you have, because the ones I have are 1/4" OD.
-bogie
EDIT: Got a response to an inquiry to see if I could get a sample of the tubing - was told no...
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bogiediver,
I've got Flexible Straws.. 180 count.
Size (dia) .02" x 9 "
142318 92
Distributed by Greenbrier International, INC.
Chesapeak, VA 23320
Made in China
I dont know where my wife bought them.. she shops are Target,meijers,Sams club and Cosco and the occational Dollar Store. hehe.
I'll ask her tonight if i remember if its nessisary.
Yeah flattend the straws are 1/4 wide.
The tube i have is 1/4" OD. Thick 16th of an inch walls.. Thats were i messed up hehe.
Thanks for the info.. i'll try to diggest it all later on tonight.
Oh, i was wondering if "ear plugs" would be decent plug to use.. figured we need something super easy to add or remove without much pressure.
No idea if one is absorbent or if it could leetch into the fluid or not.
Just figured it would be easy to cut to size and shove in there and it prob would expend and seal good.
I've got Flexible Straws.. 180 count.
Size (dia) .02" x 9 "
142318 92
Distributed by Greenbrier International, INC.
Chesapeak, VA 23320
Made in China
I dont know where my wife bought them.. she shops are Target,meijers,Sams club and Cosco and the occational Dollar Store. hehe.
I'll ask her tonight if i remember if its nessisary.
Yeah flattend the straws are 1/4 wide.
The tube i have is 1/4" OD. Thick 16th of an inch walls.. Thats were i messed up hehe.
Thanks for the info.. i'll try to diggest it all later on tonight.
Oh, i was wondering if "ear plugs" would be decent plug to use.. figured we need something super easy to add or remove without much pressure.
No idea if one is absorbent or if it could leetch into the fluid or not.
Just figured it would be easy to cut to size and shove in there and it prob would expend and seal good.
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Funny you should mention that. My wife says I'm becoming way too obsessed with this stuff and all I'm doing is following your threads.
Dont know the exact temp as i read about it long ago.. but i think its somewhere around 100 F at the bridge and 300 F at the coil.. Correct me if someone knows the real numbers.
Funny you should mention that. My wife says I'm becoming way too obsessed with this stuff and all I'm doing is following your threads.
heh... yeh thats my wife 2! She says thats all i talk about is e-cigs and cart modding. She dont like talking to me cause of it lol! I notice when i try to she starts to wonder off and i know shes not paying attention.
On the phone i can go on and on and i can stop and its dead air... like she puts the phone down.. lol.I wish sometimes she still smoked so she would be into all this.
Are you planning on using the plug to just fill the end or as a way to refill also?
>>Please share your mod when its done or safe to do so
Will do.
>>Please share your mod when its done or safe to do so
Will do.
Thats what I thought. The problem I'm envisioning is the pressure from inserting the plug or sealed slide on tip would blow the foam out the other end. The action would be like car brakes, a hydraulic piston.
I'm thinking something threaded or some kind of valve setup. An itsy bitsy ball valve would be perfect. Having room is the problem. Or finding one.
Just my on line version of thinking out loud.
This is the next to the last problem I have to work out, Then I can knock together a prototype.
I get the feeling the holidays might slow me down a bit.
The action would be like car brakes, a hydraulic piston.I'm thinking something threaded or some kind of valve setup. An itsy bitsy ball valve would be perfect. Having room is the problem. Or finding one.
Just my on line version of thinking out loud.
This is the next to the last problem I have to work out, Then I can knock together a prototype.
I get the feeling the holidays might slow me down a bit.
Well I made one with a 510 mega battery. It took a drill and bit, snips, tweezers, scissors and a file. I had to set the cart on hard surface and press down there is no way that was going to drill through the cart by just holding it in my hand. Couldn't for the life of me fold the straw and get it through. It took me an hour. They were all bent and crushed it would have never worked. I guess the bendable straws I got were too thick. I ended using a straight straw tube capped at both ends with blue foam. One end went in at the atomizer and the other end in the mouthpiece. It was 3 carts total, plus the atty and battery. Way long and weird looking. The gold is in the center of it. Anyway, it worked. 30 drops! I didn't have to fold the straw. But the draw was very hard. Too hard. I don't think there was enough airflow between the straw and the walls of the carts. I got some thinner straws I swiped from ci ci's pizza so I am going to try to redo it with these thinner straws. These don't bend, So I am going to have to try straight again. I guess the 901 is thicker than the 510? Or the bendable straws you used were thinner than mine. Anyway I want to try to find some clear tubes and pvc locally. I do have a question. Should the mouthpiece be normal or cut out? Or would it matter like this?
heh sounds ruff man.. I held my cart when i grinded out the center of it with the dremel.. Was riskey that way but i kept the speed low.
No idea of what the 901 looks like on the inside so i cant help ya there... though on the 510 when you drill out the bottom of the fluid chamber ya gota make sure to grind it out flush with the sides or you'll have probs getting the straw threw.
The mouth piece.. whatever your happy with.. i guess in the begining its all about getting it working good. When i got it working i made sure to cut the straw short enough to put the end cap back on..
Yeah the draw is tough.. I noticed it was alot easier when i gutted the 2nd cart.
lol.. 3 carts long! crazy man.. hehe. I can just imagine how hard it was to suck the vapor threw all that.
To me it seems they made the cart to a good length originally as its ruff with 2 cart lengths.
Yeah my wife was picking on me, "whatya got there a magic wand? cuz it was so long. It's insane really. Nobody can vape that much in a day.
It was working good but the draw was too hard. I got hit and vapor but I was afraid I was going to burn up the atty so I screwed up and tried the thinner non bendable straw I swiped..
I had a huge problem leaking with the smaller straw I got from ci'ci's. I went through about 15ml of my favorite liquid in no time. It hit better. It sure can hold a lot of fluid. But it all leaked out.., Tried thicker foam, leaked again. It isn't really necessary to have so many carts. A 2 cart mod would surely last all day with the blue foam. If I can't find the right straws I'm going to have to try to find aquarium tubing or clear pvc or something. There are watchers sitting back and laughing their but off and how silly we all are because they have the digital vibrating talking computer slash laser weapon vaporizer they made ages ago. My goal is for a single all day cart that draws good and doesn't leak. The blue foam is definitely the right material for the cart. I am not so sure about straws or tubes. I lost so much liquid in seconds. Bogie said he already had some clear pvc.
Anyway, it did work with a straight straw tube inside the tube carts. So if you can find the right size "cough Bogie cough" tubes, I'm sure you could attach a clear thin tube to the inside of the atty. With a cap at the end near the mouthpiece, and blue foam or filler on the other end attached to the atty. Like a reservoir. Then use a bigger clear pvc tube attached to the outside of the atty for the airflow. And do away with the carts all together. It would work much like the ink inside of a pen.
It was working good but the draw was too hard. I got hit and vapor but I was afraid I was going to burn up the atty so I screwed up and tried the thinner non bendable straw I swiped..
I had a huge problem leaking with the smaller straw I got from ci'ci's. I went through about 15ml of my favorite liquid in no time. It hit better. It sure can hold a lot of fluid. But it all leaked out.., Tried thicker foam, leaked again. It isn't really necessary to have so many carts. A 2 cart mod would surely last all day with the blue foam. If I can't find the right straws I'm going to have to try to find aquarium tubing or clear pvc or something. There are watchers sitting back and laughing their but off and how silly we all are because they have the digital vibrating talking computer slash laser weapon vaporizer they made ages ago. My goal is for a single all day cart that draws good and doesn't leak. The blue foam is definitely the right material for the cart. I am not so sure about straws or tubes. I lost so much liquid in seconds. Bogie said he already had some clear pvc.
Anyway, it did work with a straight straw tube inside the tube carts. So if you can find the right size "cough Bogie cough" tubes, I'm sure you could attach a clear thin tube to the inside of the atty. With a cap at the end near the mouthpiece, and blue foam or filler on the other end attached to the atty. Like a reservoir. Then use a bigger clear pvc tube attached to the outside of the atty for the airflow. And do away with the carts all together. It would work much like the ink inside of a pen.
I'm not giving up. I bought a box of 100 bendable straws but they are too thick. The more I think about it the more I realize a straight tube in a tube wouldn't work anyway unless you had something else inside the atty like the open tip of a pen for airflow draw. If you fill up a straw and put your finger over one end it won't leak, so the cap would have to be breathable like the blue foam. And if I attached a tube to the inside walls of the atty for fluid, the one attached to the outside doesn't seem breathable. Somehow the first single straight straw tube inside hollow carts I made did work, but I don't know how. But it's an easy mod for drippers for sure. At any rate I will be looking for smaller bendable straws on my next trip to wally world and tubing on my next trip to petsmart. I am not trying to drip in public. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the blue foam and a single cart except the complaints about leaking and taste. But those are fixable if you wash rinse cut and insert correctly proportionate to the density of your liquid. I am just greedy. My silver screens are still in test mode and I don't think they would work with straws or tubes anyway. For ease of use speed and cost the blue foam is the way to go.
Due to my incredible laziness, I hope one of you guys mass manufacture a ton of 2X size 510 carts to sell to me and the public.
Due to my incredible laziness, I hope one of you guys mass manufacture a ton of 2X size 510 carts to sell to me and the public.
Happy Thanksgiving 2 you and everyone!
We shall see.. It is freakin nice to just grab a ecig and know its good to go and not have to worry about filling it all the time.Trying to focus on this project though my mind keeps floatin off to bigger and better mods to improve the ecig. I see pluses and minuses with having a bigger cart that i didnt expect till i built this that have opened my mind to why the manufacturers have not made a larger cart and what needs to happen to make it work and perform as well as a small cart.
In that respect, its one project i'm thankfull for building.
Now can i build apon it?? I'll see.. every mistake i've made so far with cart moding has ended up being god sent so.. i may get lucky!!
I'll keep you guys updated on this mod and any changes.. so far it seems i've got really lucky to have these straws and 2 of them fill the inside perfectly.. i'll still try other things but i dont see this mod working if i were to start off with normal 1/4" tubing.. i would of gotten fustrated and gave up too soon.
Oh.. just wana mention that this mod has been working great every since. I've refilled it a couple of times now. Would be real easy if i had a needle to fill the straws. One thing important is to not get crazy trying to top off the straws like i did. When you go to push the straws back down in the cart, the straw will be squeezed and the liquid will be pushed out some. Really is ruff cause you want to max them out and the slug before you insert to remove any air bubbles. So i've been keeping about a 1/4" or more space in the straws and then pushing them down to the right level in the cart. And then try to add another drop or 2 to max them real carefully. Then add the slug and work it in there, then add an extra 4-5 drops to make sure its topped off before inserting it back into the atty.
I get a big smile everytime i use the thing lol..
I've been holding it with 2 fingers gripping the atty and my middle finger on the manual button. That seems comfortable with the extra length of the ecig. Real funny looking with a mega battery
Just to give you an idea of the length of the double cart on the atty.. its the exact same size of a regular 510 battery.
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