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54mg Juice a Mistake??? (taken from general forum)

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Crash

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Hey guys i posted this over in the general forum, but since this is a UK based supplier i thought I should post it here as well for everyone to see, so this here is a copy of my exact post in the general forum.
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Hey guys and girls I got this email from Ok Smokey - Electronic Cigarettes & Accessories its their newsletter, anyway have a read over it, you might find it interesting.

"You may have heard that one of our competitors has announced that they will soon be selling “54mg Mixing juice”. They also trumpet that all their liquids are made in the UK to the highest possible standards from the purest ingredients.

To many this will come as good news but at OKSmokey we prefer to look at the long term implications of selling such a potentially dangerous product and wonder about the credentials of their pharmacist. It would be interesting to get the opinion of The Royal Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britain about a member who blends this liquid and therefore sanctions its sale to the general public, regardless of their ability to dilute or blend it to their own, safe requirements. The term "mixing juice" does not make it any less dangerous and will not be accepted by a court of law in the event of a tragic accident.



OKSmokey only sell liquids that are ready to use as we do not expect you to have a degree in chemistry before you use it. Some of you may well be competent and intelligent enough to blend your own safely, but we say that safety always comes first and that the worst case scenario is considered before we sell any product.



Scenario 1. An easily confused or elderly person mixes their containers up and uses 54mg liquid in its undiluted form.



Scenario 2. There are those who will always try it, for no better reason than to find out what it is like.



Scenario 3. As with the young boy who decided to chew four weeks supply of nicotine gum, there is a chance that a child will pick up an ecig and have a quick puff.



It is not an overstatement to say that the end result could be the same. A heart attack!



We all know that the hugely wealthy pharmaceutical companies are scrutinizing the e-cig business as a whole and are waiting for such an accident to happen and will use those who sell ridiculously high strength liquids as an example. They will be in the position to demonstrate that the electronic cigarette business is unable to regulate itself and they would be correct. As long as there are traders who put profits before customer safety the future of the ecig will be in jeopardy. Using customers in a sick game of “nicotine roulette” is not an option and OKSmokey will not get involved in a contest to see who sells the highest strength in the belief that it will attract more customers. If that were the case we would sell large bottles of pure nicotine and let everybody get on with it.



We urge you to visit your regular website or Ok Smokey Forums • Index page and actively encourage others not to be tempted by these, or similar offers, as the ultimate result will be a blanket ban on ecigs and anything associated with them. It will be the eBay fiasco all over again but this time, with nowhere else to buy from.



Electronic cigarettes have an excellent reputation. Let’s all keep it that way.



Happy and safe vaping.



george@oksmokey.com"
 

scrubadub

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I was under the impression that a nicotine solution in the UK isn't considered a poison unless it's somewhere around the 7% mark. At 5.4% this still falls way below that. Ok Smokeys bottles don't appear to be child proofed in the pictures on their site so present just as much risk to the proverbial small child.

This just seems to be a thinly disguised attempt to poach custom from a competitor by displaying faux concern for our safety. I was thinking of giving OK Smokey a try before reading this - now they can just p*ss off.
 

Logan901

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I was under the impression that a nicotine solution in the UK isn't considered a poison unless it's somewhere around the 7% mark. At 5.4% this still falls way below that. Ok Smokeys bottles don't appear to be child proofed in the pictures on their site so present just as much risk to the proverbial small child.

This just seems to be a thinly disguised attempt to poach custom from a competitor by displaying faux concern for our safety. I was thinking of giving OK Smokey a try before reading this - now they can just p*ss off.

Don't let this phoney email put you off

I laiughed at it too, but I have used oksmokey a lot because their DSE901 kits are about £10 cheaper than totally wicked as they use less packaging.

Their spare parts are cheaper too. The only thing I would use TW for is their e-juice
 

Crash

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Don't let this phoney email put you off

I laiughed at it too, but I have used oksmokey a lot because their DSE901 kits are about £10 cheaper than totally wicked as they use less packaging.

Their spare parts are cheaper too. The only thing I would use TW for is their e-juice

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exogenesis

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Slagging off the competitors who've got better products,
& throwing bricks (while living in a frail greenhouse themselves),
is not exactly a new tactic/phenomenom in a business with many players.
Usually it comes from the lesser/weaker players.

But normally there's some factual content though,
and attacking individual people is definately very bad-practice.

This tells us more about people at Oksm than anything else,
but hopefully everyone involved there didn't agree with this &
won't get tarred with the same brush.
(I'm assuming that a couple of associated moderator names don't necessarily agree with it).

Personally questioning the abilities & knowledge of a proven highly consiencious
& competent scientist is way below the belt & I'm very glad to see he took it calmly
and didn't blast back in the same vein, which he would have been quite entitlied to do.

Bad dog Oksm !,
you'll have to go a long way to come close to TW's good name, quality products,
customer service and safe-practices.
 

yoshimi

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My vets prescribe me medicines for my animals that are around 8 times too strong and a single full dose would kill them. When I accept this form of treatment I agreed to learn how to dilute the meds properly to treat the rats, otherwise they would have given me a different treatment.

When I buy bleach at the supermarket I am agreeing to learn how to use it responsibly and keep it out of the way of animals and children

When I buy 54mg liquid I am agreeing to learn to do what needs to be done to cut it to the required strength

and seriouslly, a degree in chemistry, measuring out 1/2 of one thing and 1/2 another, it's like saying you need a degree in chemistry to bake a cake.

If people don't want to learn to mix, they won't buy 54mg...simples.
 

surbitonPete

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I still find something very doubtful in the idea that the chineese decided to drop the 36 mg strength because they thought it wasn't safe enough.

It would certainly have made some sense if they did it to get FDA approval ...and that would also have been good news because it would have meant they had already been told that 24 mg 'would' be approved.
 
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yoshimi

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which supplier is it that plans to sell 54mg juice? i agree with the sentiment of the OP - if the juice is not ready to use there is not much point. follow the KISS principle.

that's like saying there's no point in selling flour to make bread, because it's not ready to eat so why bother. Some people prefer the flexability, the possibility of making your own flavours, the ability to make smaller quantaties, and get pleasure out of the process of mixing. That's without taking into account that the juce can work out to half the price.

Just because you have to keep it simple to get people interested doesn't mean you shouldn't offer more complex solutions to those who want them. KISS is not a principal of product development, it's a marketing principal, the marketing of the 54mg is KISS, "mix your own and save money" Kind of like how driving a car is very complex but marketing the idea of driving is definitely KISS "Learn to drive and get places faster"
 

fcuk112

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point taken, though i think if you really want to mass-market the e-cig the device just needs to be simple and easy to use. i guess the chinese manufacturers are looking into this via disposable e-cigs which are not to be refilled. so you can buy flour and make your own or buy ready-made sliced bread from the shelves.

i forgot the point i was trying to make. :oops:
 

yoshimi

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point taken, though i think if you really want to mass-market the e-cig the device just needs to be simple and easy to use. i guess the chinese manufacturers are looking into this via disposable e-cigs which are not to be refilled. so you can buy flour and make your own or buy ready-made sliced bread from the shelves.

i forgot the point i was trying to make. :oops:

I think the point you were teying to make was that in order for e-cigs to go mass market they need to be simple and easy to use?

If so then I agree with you, but if that were the only thing to be sold there would probably be no GGT either because just looking at that thing confuses me.

I think that as long as there are simple options readily available for those who "just want to smoke" and more complex ones such as 54mg for those who want to turn vaping into a hobby then everyone will be happy :)
 
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