5V RIT (Regulator In a Tube)

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This is an idea that I started in the suggestions subforum, but I've managed to get it working to the point that the idea might be useful to somebody else. Basically, this is the opposite of Tinear's BOB. Instead of an addon that boosts 3.7V up to 5V, this regulates 7.4V down to 5V. It is a very simple device that anybody with basic soldering skills could make.

All I did was take a AP1084 regulator (the TO252 package fits perfectly) and wire it up inside a gutted 901 atty tube. The wiring diagram is shown in the attached image.

The only tricky bit was finding the right material to attach the regulator to the inside of the tube. All linear regulators work by converting any "extra" voltage to heat, and that heat must be rejected somehow or the device will overheat. If the regulator was just left as-is, it would overheat and shut down in about 10 sec. This is made more difficult in this case because the heat transfer pad on the back of the regulator is also the voltage output, so it must be electrically insulated from the tube itself. Almost by accident I found this stuff. It's meant for fixing pipes and other metal parts, but the fact that it contains metal particles means it conducts heat fairly well, yet it is somehow electrically non-conductive. However it works, it does work. I got a stick at my local Home Depot for less than $5.

The only problem with my prototype is that I stupidly used 22ga solid core wire, which doesn't flex very well. The result is that I can't press the atty connector all the way into the tube. There's enough room, but the wires just won't bend enough to allow it. I'm going to hunt for some more flexible wire tomorrow and take some pictures as I build another one.

So what is this useful for? Well, it will turn almost any mod into a 5V mod with the right batteries. Nearly all 18650 mods will fit two 18350s, or two 16340s, or at the very least, two 15270s - all of which are available in 3.7V versions. Even a small 14500 mod can take two 3.7V 14250s. This can turn any of those into 5V mods. I've been testing the RIT on my indulgence with two 18350s in the extended tube, and it works great. Under a 3ohm load, the regulator runs at a steady 4.87V, which ain't bad. The heat and vapor production compared to one 3.7V 18350 or 18650 battery like night and day. The carto I'm using starts hissing the instant you hit the button, and it delivers a huge cloud of hot, flavorful vapor.

True, LR attys produce somewhat comparable results, but they'r expensive and don't last very long. Plus, if you use cartos, there isn't really an LR option. This will give you 5V on any atty or carto with a mod you already have. For about $9 worth of parts (plus a blown atty and some batteries), this is a pretty cool addon that is not too tough to make.
 

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It is and it isn't. A resistor is dumb. It always resists voltage by the same amount, so as your batteries drop from 4.2 when full to 3.3 when empty, the voltage after the resistor will also change. A regulator will put out 5V for as long as the input voltage is at least 5V + the dropout voltage, which will always be the case with 3.7V batteries. The other problem is that getting the mixture "just right" is more a matter of luck than anything else. This is a much simpler, more elegant setup that doesn't require any trial-and-error. It will also work with any mod you have, not just the one that the resistor disc is sized for.
 
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Nice job!

A hint would be to use the grounding plane on the reg to conduct both heat and the ground current (by connecting it to the body/tube and the outside of the atty) connect the discharge/Vo from the reg to the center of the atty connector -- no risk of short except moisture or insulation failure. There are also heat transfer adhesives as well as conductive adhesives/epoxies available to help with all this.

Also LR carto's are flying off the shelves at xhaler.com as well as a few other places.

There are a variety of sources for slicone insulated stranded wire out there that might help -- it takes the heat well when soldering.

Just posting to help and in no way criticize. Again - Nice Job!

So how's the pic programming going?
 

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As promised, here are some pics of a proper build.

First, solder the wires like I showed in the diagram. The plastic jacket pulled off the Vin wire when I tried to strip it, but it doesn't touch anything else, so it isn't really an issue if it happens to you.
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Next you need to mix up some of the epoxy putty. Slice off a thin piece from the stick and kneed it together until it's thoroughly mixed. You only need a tiny bit. I ended up molding it around all sides of the regulator, but you'll definitely want to keep it thin on the top so you can see past it when inserting the reg/putty blob into the tube. This stuff sets in about 3 min, so work fast. I barely had enough time to get it together, which is why I didn't manage to get a pic of this step.

Once you have the putty on the reg, you'll have to slide it down the gutted 901 atty tube and thread the wire for the Vin into the hole in the atty connector in the bottom. This is tricky, and it's made trickier due to most of the view being blocked by the reg/putty. Getting the wire bent into the proper position before you start is key.

Once the wire is threaded through the hole and the reg is as far down as it will go, use a small flat-head screwdriver to press on the top of the regulator to stick it to the side of the tube. Press hard enough to mush the putty into shape, conforming to the tube's inner surface. The better the connection, the more heat it will transfer. Here is a shot from the top where you can see the reg/putty stuck to the inside of the tube.
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Give the epoxy a few min. to set up, then solder the Vin wire. You solder it from the outside, heating the center connector and applying solder until it runs through the hole and onto the wire. DO NOT USE TOO MUCH SOLDER, or it will run all the way through and short something out. As always with soldering connectors, high heat is vital so you can get the solder to flow before you burn the silicone ring.
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It's best to wait an hour or two before continuing to give the putty a chance to fully cure.

Next, cut the wires sticking out of the tube so there is just enough room to strip them and solder them to the battery connector. Carefully solder them as usual.
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Now all you have to do is carefully twist the connector so the wires take up the slack and press the connector into the tube. I used a vise to press it in, with a couple pieces of wood on each end to keep the metal vise from messing up the connectors. Voila! You have a 5V RIT.
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Oh, one last thing. If you're using a 901 connector for cartomizers, you'll have to make one further modification. Soldering the Vout wire into the battery connector will plug up the hole, so you'll need to drill a new air hole or you won't be able to get any draw. Using the smallest dril bit you can get your hands on (1/32" is ideal, but 1/16" will work for the most part), drill a hole in the connector just below the threads. Be very careful not to go through the silicone into the center post. Also take extra care to remove any metal bits that might be between the outside wall of the connector and the center post. These will short out the atty connector and blow the regulator.
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I've got a question(or 3). I know I'm probably looking right at the answer & don't see it. If I am, please forgive me.:) If you are using the tube as a ground & both connectors are press fitted into the tube, why solder a ground wire to either of them? If I'm reading this right, the bottom connector is the Vin, the top connector is Vout, & ground is the tube which the regulator(ground), & both connectors are pressing against?

This is a great idea. One of those where you smack your own head & go "dangit"...:)
Thanks.
 

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Because the back of the regulator isn't ground. The back and top of the regulator is Vout, which is why I had a hell of a time finding something that would transfer heat to the tube but wouldn't conduct electricity.

Ok. I haven't used one like that yet. I was thinking of one like this-
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The top & center are ground. This one is 5v, 1.5A but it is super tiny. The back of this one is not metal.
 

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You could give it a shot, but 1.5A is a little on the low side. A 3ohm atty/carto will pull 1.66A, and anything with a lower resistance would obviously pull more. And don't forget that any voltage above 5V is converted to heat, so you have to figure out a way to conduct that to the outside.

I was wondering the same thing, but I'll order a few of the ones you specified. I've already got a few others, but they're all too large for what I was looking for. I'll use a kr808 carto tube, but I'll probably end up cutting it down. I was thinking about something like ceramic 2 part glue? it's non-conductive, and supposed to be pretty easy to work with. I'll have to try a few tests on the larger regulators first.
 

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I can think of two problems with using a carto. I'm told there is a short metal tube that extends partway up the carto. That will prevent you from pushing the regulator down very far, and and would make it really tough to solder the Vin wire. The other problem is that I think the connector is aluminum, which won't take solder at all. I suppose you could give it a shot, though.
 

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ok, got all my goodies in, I'll be giving one (or more) of these a shot. I've got enough for 4, so I should be good to go. I'll try out some other heat glue alternatives too. I've got some ceramic heat transfer epoxy somewhere around here (used on an old project involving processors and thermal peltiers) and I might give that a shot. I'll give you some updates as I go. thanks for the info and stuff candre.
 
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