60mg Nic price increase? and Qt needed?

[TJPatt72]

On 10-11 you posted this price for 60mg 500ml..$129.95 with a bonus bottle free juice which I take is still going on ($$$$ Free 20ml with all orders over $50 $$$$ ). Yet on your site that 60mg 500ml is now $213.95 in little over a month. What caused your $84 increase in price in a months time? When you say made in the US are you talking about every ingredient in the 60mg being made in the US including the nic?

Hate the fact I missed your 11-08 sale if my below calculation is right. By my calculations for a 2 year supply of making 24mg out of 60mg nic, using 80ml a month you would need to buy 768 ml of 60mg nic? If that is right I would need to buy your 500ml, 250ml and a 20ml.If you used 3ml a day that would use about 90ml a month thus you would need to buy 864 ml of nic to make that much 24mg batches in 2 years?

Final question does the 60mg unflavored nic store for a little over 2 years okay if stored right? I have some on hand and need to figure out how much to buy getting the best deal on a supply that will store well until it is used up. Looking at your prices buying 2 500ml is cheaper than buying what will add up to 864ml (using 90ml-24mg batch a month), yet with what I have on hand I don't want to overbuy and have any go bad if it doesn't keep good after 2 years.

500 ml-213.95
500 ml-213.95...427.90

500ml-213.95
250ml-126.95
125ml-74.95...415.85 for 125mls less

I'm getting set up to transfer the nic to 50ml cobalt bottles for storage, which will be transfered to bottles that I will use for making my monthly batches yet I will only be making a week or 2 supply at at time since after mixed it has a shorter shelf life. So if none of the nic stores good for over 2 years I need to calculate what I have now into what it will make and figure from there. I'm new at this so maybe some of you pro's can tell me how much of a gamble it is to have a stock that may run over 2 years.

 

[newkirk]

On 10-11 you posted this price for 60mg 500ml..$129.95 with a bonus bottle free juice which I take is still going on ($$$$ Free 20ml with all orders over $50 $$$$ ). Yet on your site that 60mg 500ml is now $213.95 in little over a month. What caused your $84 increase in price in a months time? When you say made in the US are you talking about every ingredient in the 60mg being made in the US including the nic?

Hate the fact I missed your 11-08 sale if my below calculation is right. By my calculations for a 2 year supply of making 24mg out of 60mg nic, using 80ml a month you would need to buy 768 ml of 60mg nic? If that is right I would need to buy your 500ml, 250ml and a 20ml.If you used 3ml a day that would use about 90ml a month thus you would need to buy 864 ml of nic to make that much 24mg batches in 2 years?

Final question does the 60mg unflavored nic store for a little over 2 years okay if stored right? I have some on hand and need to figure out how much to buy getting the best deal on a supply that will store well until it is used up. Looking at your prices buying 2 500ml is cheaper than buying what will add up to 864ml (using 90ml-24mg batch a month), yet with what I have on hand I don't want to overbuy and have any go bad if it doesn't keep good after 2 years.

500 ml-213.95
500 ml-213.95...427.90

500ml-213.95
250ml-126.95
125ml-74.95...415.85 for 125mls less

I'm getting set up to transfer the nic to 50ml cobalt bottles for storage, which will be transfered to bottles that I will use for making my monthly batches yet I will only be making a week or 2 supply at at time since after mixed it has a shorter shelf life. So if none of the nic stores good for over 2 years I need to calculate what I have now into what it will make and figure from there. I'm new at this so maybe some of you pro's can tell me how much of a gamble it is to have a stock that may run over 2 years.

The prices you quoted first are still valid, they're for 0-24mg/ml flavored liquids and 6-24mg/ml unflavored. 36mg/ml and 48mg/ml are higher, and the 60mg/ml is highest. The prices haven't changed. Figure in the cost of enough PG or VG to dilute to the desired strength and the 60mg/ml is still easily the best deal. Your math looks correct, 768ml of 60mg/ml diluted to 24mg/ml would give you 1920ml, or 24 months at 80ml/month. Looks like about $400 would get you 750ml of 60mg/ml plus 1250ml of plain PG.

Unflavored nic in PG should keep for a few years at least, if kept sealed, room temperature or cooler, and away from light. There's a thread in this subforum and a few () others around the forum about storage and shelflife... Foes here are light, oxygen, and heat. I'm comfortable planning storage for at least three years.

j

 

[TJPatt72]

Thanks for the quick feedback newkirk, the post did mention 24mg with 60mg right before the prices so I just thought it was the price for the 60mg. Glad it didn't jump that high that quick. .

With pending legislation I'm going to stock up since I've only been at this a month and want to be able to have the hardware pay for itself via use. I've read several threads on it's storage, but to be on the best side I'd rather not go much over 2 years since the hardware may play out being able to be gotten also. Dark is no problem, cool maybe the biggest factor. Will keep it in the coolest part of the house or refrige in a dark box if power goes out in the summer. Fill bottles to the top of the cap so only little room for oxygen if any, my concern there is if there are any type caps to avoid using (ie mandentory plastic seal and not cardboard if they still make those).

Mainly just stocking up on the nic since I've read PG, VG and flavors don't store great. They will still be somewhat easy to come by. Using 60mg does seem the best cost wise since it uses more pg/vg than nic to make a batch which is cheaper than nic in the long run from what I could tell so thanks for validating I thought right on that one.

From looking at fast calculations I may just go with 1000ml 60mg since that would be cheaper than trying to buy different mls to get closer to an exact amount since lower than 500ml is a little more expensive. One of the biggest factors in being willing to pay a little more for this is the guarantee it's completely made in the US and exactly 60mg. So I'll be waiting to get feedback on that before I order.

Will be back later tonight to see if it was answered, half to run to town to buy some feed, etc.

 

[newkirk]

I've picked up 245ml of the 60mg/ml from Chris, am quite satisfied with the product. (plus another 290ml of 35-36mg/ml VG-based from other vendors before I found Chris) Also stockpiling, obviously. It has to serve me (a light user, all in all) as long as possible and some will be shared with two friends I turned on to vaping, in the case that supplies get scarce. I'm also stockpiling atomizers, though at a slower rate so far. Batteries can be dealt with regardless of any ban, from USB passthrough to custom battery mods, or place several small batt and atty orders from china and see which ones make it through customs. Reliable-quality high-strength domestic nic juice is unfortunately IMHO one of the likeliest casualties of FDA involvement.

I can't speak to the ingredients sources (just nic and PG AFAIK) but IIRC DVap (chemist here on the forum) performed an assessment of a sample of the 60mg/ml and found it spot on for strength. Short of testing every batch mixed there's not much more that can be said, it's all down to trust. I bought a 60ml bottle first and subjected it to my most stringent test - I vaped some, and it worked just as expected, no flavor/odor/color to speak of. So I ordered 125ml+60ml this past week, and will likely order another 125ml in a couple weeks. (the spacing is budgetary - could I budget for it, I would just buy 500ml at once and call it done)

j

 

[Luv2CUSmile]

I see Newkirk explained the pricing to you... There was a question once before about pricing based on Chris' ad and I think some people who are not already familiar w/ his huge assortment of selection didn't understand he was giving all options and then the list posted was the lowest current price w/ the lowest available strengths...

As far as the dollar amounts of the smaller and larger being more for less liquid...
same as if you buy ketchup in various sizes at Wal-mart...
The largest size is usually the better deal- & either for convenience of smaller size to use before it goes bad... or because some people's budgets don't allow such an investment up front... you buy smaller and by volume it does cost more but out of pocket less money up front to get you a small supply...
Too bad you missed the recent sale- but get as much as you can afford at one time... I believe it also is a 2 yr shelf life but w/ it being unflavored, I could be wrong... Chris may have that answer...
Also, you will get wonderful Customer Service w/ Chris and his product is great!

 

[TJPatt72]

Thanks for the tips newkirk & Luv2CUSmile.
newkirk, Yes I figure there will be a way to get around a battery shortage or stopage, thus after nic the atominzers will be the next problem. Yet since you can use the hardware to vape only VG (vegtable based) mixed with flavor and water (no nic) I can't see where they can outlaw the sale of the hardware. After all they couldn't outlaw the sale of pipes when more than tobacco has been found being smoked in them. A while back I saw a terrible looking mess splattered on the road that had been in a coke bottle, only to later read some people are buying household chemicals (toxic) to make their own .... in coke bottles. Now at least I know to call the police to come clean anything seen like that splattered on the road since that stuff can leach into the groundwater and get to locations where livestock could be harmed by it. Anyway yes hopefully the hardware will stay available long enough to get a few xtra attys. I have 4 PT's and have even made them mobile, 4 batteries I haven't used much and 6 or 8 attys.

Somewhere I read a test was done on some than ended up being a lot weaker than advertised. When you aren't paying much for it in the first place that's not as big of a deal, but when going for 500ml of 60mg you hate to spend that much unless it's more than likely on the spot. If your mixing the same amounts every batch (have the right formula) then after one batch is tested at 60 you won't see it get off tracked I wouldn't guess unless they made a natural human error(too little or too much of this or that) or if doing big lots didn't stir/shake it good before filling smaller bottles if nic has a tendancy to settle. I'm guessing from what I have read on mixing nic the only way you can get too much or too little in a batch is solely by not mixing it right. I'm just as concerned with the mg going the other way also. If I buy 60mg I don't want 50mg or 70mg. 1 or 2 mg either way no biggie though not fun until my body adjusts to less nic, but 10 would be.

Luv2CUSmile yes I quickly read through the thread last night, while looking at other sources to get big quantites and the bill that is in the Senate to stop shipping via postage of tobacco products. Made room on the credit card to cover the charges today. From bits and pieces I've read nic mixed in pg will keep longer than nic mixed with flavors and vg since they don't hold up as well if it's stored right. Probably until it is banned as I use it I'll replace what I've used as I go using the oldest nic first. Will decide and get an order in Sunday night.
As for Wally World and volume buying you better take a calculator with you. Many times I have found buying 2 smaller quantities coming out to be cheaper to buy and giving you a little more than the bigger quantities (sugar, ketcup, etc.). Also their labels stating price per oz, etc. is often off if you look at the oz on the label compared to the oz on the can since the companies have down sized their cans (tuna & salmon helped me catch that). It's gotten to the point I have to check the bar codes to the labels since people have put things in the wrong location or entered the wrong amount on the computer. I'm back into a round of high vet bills so I keep a better check on where those penny's go. In the long run the expense I'm having now on ecigs will pay for itself since I spent a lot on analogs (bought 2 more cartons today which are hopefully the very last). In the next few days I'll mix me a batch of 36mg and 24mg to help curb the need of analogs and fill in between using up the 16 & 18mg juices I got. Least now I have a lot of fly's inside I get to swat to keep my flustrations down LOL.

 

[Luv2CUSmile]

LOL Yes TJ, very nice to see some good thrifty shoppers out here... You are correct on that bit w/ Wally's World- probably not the best place to use for that scenario- I was just trying to explain the bulk to small quantity differences...
(I do take a calculator always... w/ 5 kids buying bulk is the idea but getting the best value is the goal-LOL)


Also, desrtrat posted a nifty simple mixing program on DIY board that can have 2 strengths or types of nic liquid added for calculations... (just a tip if you wanted to mix 18 mg w/ 36 mg)

 

[Freedom]

WOW! I will address this later in the week...really don't even have time to read it all. Dad's in the hospital so I have to get going.

Chris

 

[Luv2CUSmile]

Chris,

Hope your Dad is doing okay... But no alarm, I think we got this one covered... All is cleared up, but if you'd like to add a comment... LOL

 

[TJPatt72]

Chris,
As others have said it's cleared up, duh I hope since I'm on right now to place the order.

Hope your Dad is doing okay also. Definately know what it's like since I've been there and done that many a time with my Mom, Dad on the other hand just pulled a one time stay. Hope you still have time to fill orders. I'd wait, but I've got a lot of things going on around here so I'd rather get it off my mind.

 

[Freedom]

Without looking throgh the orders I can say wether it went today or will go out tomorrow (Wed.) but finished making everything that had come in up till now.

Thanks for the well wishes!

Chris

 

[TJPatt72]

Good to know Chris, charge already went through and USPS tracking didn't show the package had even been received so I was about to post a question tonight if the USPS tracking problem existed in NC. Some locations in the US has the package arrive before it ever shows up in tracking. Was hoping it would be in tomorrow when I have to go to the PO to pick up another package, but no prob. as long as it's headed this way not long after it was charged.

Without looking throgh the orders I can say wether it went today or will go out tomorrow (Wed.) but finished making everything that had come in up till now.

Thanks for the well wishes!

Chris

 

[TJPatt72]

Neat the package did make it in today, not so neat twer the fact postman didn't say box wouldn't be back to the post office until after 4 so when I ran there hoping to get both packages it wasn't there. Got home and parked just in time for the vet to show up 30 min. early. Had to run back in to pick up some medicated liquid for the donkey anyway so picked up your package on that run.

Thanks for the free juice & stuff. Didn't take me anytime to get into the yummie banana. Picture on the web site had the round 510 cartridges, thus I thought that is what I would get. No got the flat tipped ones which I didn't think I would like since they didn't look like they would hold as much juice. Not sure if they do, but they aren't all that bad after they where mod with straws. Fixed one right off the bat, but didn't the other which didn't hold as much juice. When it ran down I took it apart to add the straw to find out the juice was only on less than half the filter. Posted another thread about the bottles since others might draw the same conclusions I did.