99% nic juice

[Kurt]

0.18mg. Not that much.

But I agree with the other posters, walk away from this. Think about how the DHS would react to a guy having 20,000 lethal doses of a chemical that is readily absorbed through the skin in his garage. Can anyone say "chemical weapon"?

I wonder how much shipping would be on an item like this. I imagine shipping plutonium would be cheaper.



I don't know what planet you live on, but most chemical suppliers would ignore you at best and report you to the DHS at worst for asking.

As for working with the pure stuff: I'd feel comfortable doing so in gram scales without any overly fancy protective equiptment, but a bottle of this size is just plain scary.

Chemist, nicotine is actually not a controlled substance. Do you think all juice producers in the US simply buy their inventory from China, or just dilute high-nic juice from China? Some buy pure nic from chemical houses, and no, DHS is not called, nor do they need a PhD or affiliation with a research center or university. That's the "planet I live on". I know this for a fact, since I am friends with one of these said producers. Some houses will deny you unless you are of high enough pedigree in chemistry or biochemistry, but most will sell it to anyone no problem.

That said, getting pure nic to make juices just so you can save money or stockpile without massive preparation, equipment, and safety training is a fool's errand, and will be strongly, and perhaps rudely, discouraged here in a public forum that is under watchful eyes of the FDA. If people want to learn on their own and take the enormous and unprepared risk for the sake of a cheap vape, that's up to them. Total idiots that they are, they are not criminals, nor are they a security risk. Its just that vaping suddenly makes pure nic something that might be desirable, whereas it simply wasn't before PVs came on the scene. So the tide may well change entirely with the SE/Njoy/FDA court case. But currently, anyway, getting pure nic is not illegal. Nor does it put you on a DHS list. At least my friend has gotten no indication he is on one. And he is just one producer of many in the US.

 

[dreho]

Unfortunately, I think the only reason people are even considering acquiring pure nicotine is the fact that our current supply is under threat from the FDA. If I understand correctly though, they seem to seeking regulation, not a complete ban, please correct me if I'm wrong. I suppose the argument could be made that it would be cheaper to mix your own, but I definitely believe the risks outweigh any amount of money saved. Leave it to the chemists and those who know how to handle the stuff. This reminds me of old horror stories I've heard about moonshiners going blind, or mad, or just plain dead next to their stills from impure or or too high proof grain alcohol. Personally I like to buy 36mg flavorless juice and play around with Loranns flavorings, but I'm even skeptical about buying higher concentrations out of fear of making myself sick. Anyway, be safe, last thing we need is a rash of poisonings just as we are fighting to prove the validity of personal vaping. Just a layman's opinion...

 

[mudmanc4]

After reading this, and other thread where people want to get there nic end product 0.02¢ cheaper by putting other things at risk, gimmie a break ! Stop !

Someone please, find some pics of a real lab, where there are real chemist , such as sounds like only two in this thread , are working with this stuff. Some people have a difficult time understanding words , so they need more mental arousal to be shaken from there stooper of a dream like state.

If you have to ask ANYTHING about what to do with this stuff, this should give you a clue not to deal with it. Just allow those that are trained , schooled, and experienced to continue to do this for us. I would never think of touching it. Why, it makes no sense at all, and you will not be successful !

When you place a picture, and a few key words, and add a feeling, then you implant a thought.

 

[Silence]

OK... Time for a little honesty here. After first finding out about vaping I thought this could be a lucretive opportunity, become one of the largest US based e-juice suppliers. PG/VG is readily available (and cheap). Flavoring isn't difficult to come by. All I needed was the nic. So what in the world did I do? Googled it! Quickly I had a simple method for extracting nicotine from raw tobacco (which I have a plethorea of as I live on a tobacco farm). I started reading more and more about the extraction method and I was trying to learn how to determine the strength of the solution I had made (for proper marketing). Thats when I came across DVAP's post on how to do it. But then I read that post. I just want to say thank you to the guys with the real know how. You kept me from trying something very dangerous and stupid. I had no idea how dangerous what i was thinking of doing actually was.

 

[supertrkre2812]

Quite frankly, any kind of nic juice that you make from actual tobacco at home, without all the purification equipment would be iffy strength, come out brown, have all kinds of impurities in it, and I doubt you would find anyone that would be willing to purchase brown nic liquid.
Pure nicotine should be almost clear and colorless, is highly purified, and tested to be 98% or 99% pure. Then you need to test it for strength to make sure you get what you pay for.

 

[Slickstick]

screw that noise!!

Nic juice is supposed to be clear

I'll be contacting supertrkre2812 soon!

 

[legacy]

what i was quoted when i asked for prices



1 liter of 24mg for $21 seems like a good deal to me and safe


only thing the postage to ireland is $102!

$123 for 1L 24 mg, im gona try it

hopefully i wont get scammed


98% is $ 145/ L Slight Yellow Liquid ( 980mg/ml )
99% is $ 176/ L Colorless Transparent Liquid ( 990mg/ml)

Specification​

Mixed with VG​

Per Liter ( USD)​

Mixed with PG​

Per Liter (USD)​

24mg​

25​

21​

36mg​

33​

29​

48mg​

44​

37​

60mg​

63​

58​

70mg​

68​

63​

80mg​

71​

67​

90mg​

74​

70​

100mg​

85​

77​

120mg​

100​

92​

150mg​

121​

114​

 

[Wall]

I did the math, including sourcing the PG and counting shipping, etc. IF you were set up to do the mixing and did it in bulk (200L total of 50mg(5%)) juice, it would be .02 per ml

I can get it for 20 cents per ml from a place online when they are having a sale.

Then I cut it down to 1.6%, now its closer to .10 per ml not counting whatever flavorings I buy. If I were making it would now be down to .013 cents.

So now I go out and buy a dram of lorannes for $1.40 from their website. 3.7ml. It is raspberry and I mix in 20% solution to make my juice.

14.8 * .10 + $1.40 = $2.88
14.8 * .013 + $1.40 = $1.59

Now we went from it being 8x cheaper to make your own juice, to really being less than 2x as cheap. Even if you went super bulk from loranne, and or use more powerful flavorings for cheaper, is it REALLY worth risking your life messing with pure nic to save 30-40 cents a day? Obviously not.

So the only real reason to buy pure nic is if you are starting your own juice business, and in that case you shouldnt even consider doing research on safety, quality, etc on this forum.

(Though it does put it in perspective when one big site I bought from charged $1.30/ml when buying 48mg nic from another site I can make it for nearly 1/10th of that price alone). This means that you could possibly start your own business with never touching pure nic, and simply buy bulk 5% juice from a good supplier.

 

[DonleyDoRight]

Of ALL the nic liquid I have bought over the 18 months of vaping, supertrkre2812 is and has by FAR been not only the best quality but the best value too. His product always tests spot on.

I truly believe he, as a person, is of the highest integrity also. Of all the purchases from him there has never been one iota or suspicion of malfeasance.
I will never buy from anyone else as long as he is in business.
Thank you Levy!

 

[supertrkre2812]

Thank You Donley,
i appreciate the kind words.
I try my best.
Levy

 

[LickDaCat]

When you post warnings like this, you are asking for bans of e-liquids and materials to make it. I can see covering yourself but this is a bit overboard.

"Nicotine is an extremely toxic substance. More so that arsenic, milligram for milligram. A drop of e-liquid that might make a long-term smoker feel sick will likely kill a child."

I have gotten e-liquid in my mouth and have not become sick yet even close to death. I don't have the 99% nicotine. I have considered buying a liter because our government has the habit of sticking their nose into everything just to tax the hell out of it and this e-cigarette business if taken over by big pharma will make prices skyrocket by 1000% or more plus giving doctors money for a script. Have you heard of anybody dying? If what you say about it being so dangerous is true, this stuff should be banned immediately! However I don't think e-juice is all that dangerous.

If anybody has been sick from handling e-juice, let us know, I would really like to hear about it. If I spill some e-juice, do I need to call in a hazmat team from the EPA? Give me a break! Just talking like this will bring big brother and his heavy fist crashing down quickly.

 

[AlexTM]

Oh, look, another candidate for a Darwin Award!

40-60mg of pure nic are very likely to kill you. That is an extremely small amount. Nic is absorbed through the skin, too, so you don't need to swallow or inhale it, getting it onto your skin will do the trick.
Getting liquid in your mouth is hardly the same thing, even 100mg liquid - and I doubt you got that in your mouth - contains only 10% pure nic.

So unless you know what you are doing (which you obviously don't) and have a faciltiy with the right safety equipment, would you terribly mind not becoming the FDAs post-mortem poster child for the dangers of vaping?

 

[Switched]

says you can get 10%-99%. How many liters or ml would be in a kilogram, i know that's roughly 2.2 lbs?

2 litres or 2000ml

 

[keveck]

I'm pretty sure it's 1000ml.
If it's 1/g/ml:

1KG=1000g.
1L=1000mL.

 

[Switched]

I was late on this one. Why has this thread surfaced? Alibaba sells everything from garden shears to tires, nuf said.

 

[Kurt]

When you post warnings like this, you are asking for bans of e-liquids and materials to make it. I can see covering yourself but this is a bit overboard.

"Nicotine is an extremely toxic substance. More so that arsenic, milligram for milligram. A drop of e-liquid that might make a long-term smoker feel sick will likely kill a child."

I have gotten e-liquid in my mouth and have not become sick yet even close to death. I don't have the 99% nicotine. I have considered buying a liter because our government has the habit of sticking their nose into everything just to tax the hell out of it and this e-cigarette business if taken over by big pharma will make prices skyrocket by 1000% or more plus giving doctors money for a script. Have you heard of anybody dying? If what you say about it being so dangerous is true, this stuff should be banned immediately! However I don't think e-juice is all that dangerous.

If anybody has been sick from handling e-juice, let us know, I would really like to hear about it. If I spill some e-juice, do I need to call in a hazmat team from the EPA? Give me a break! Just talking like this will bring big brother and his heavy fist crashing down quickly.

Lickdacat, I appreciate your want to be able to vape in spite of the government. I'm afraid AlexTM is spot on right on all accounts. You need serious training to work with pure nic, otherwise it is suicide. In the long run, buying high-nic liquid and storing it properly will be safer, easier to vape from, and a lot cheaper.

As for the hazmat thing, if you spill a few hundred mL of said high-nic liquid ( like 50 mg and up), say on a carpet, from just one wrong move with an open bottle or jug of it, yes, actually you do have a hazmat situation. Take it from Twisted Victor, a resident hazmat technician: it would require a kevlar suit, respirator with air tank, and the carpet would have to be incinerated. Good luck on the security deposit...or resale of the house, because you are not living there anymore. And if said spill is all over you, you are likely not living anywhere anymore.

Asking about getting or working with pure nic, especially when you clearly have no understanding of the substance, is generally considered uncool and very foolish here. It would be educational for you to do some research and find out exactly what is required. I think you will find the equipment needed and the skills required make such a venture economically unwise, at the very least.

 

[DWTaylor]

I am sorry to say, this is really bugging me.
There are tons of suppliers that know this is nasty, I can buy a 99% bottle of nic and make a hell of a profit.
Guys this is a thing ya will need a lab and trained staff for.
There is a reason that the cost of nicotine from a lab is expensive stuff.
I have gotten bored and just looked at the prices of some of the gear that is needed.
Ya lucky if ya can get the gear (not a building set up) for about 10k.
I really think that we need to keep this off the forums.
Sooner or later we will get someone that don't care and will try it.
They might be okay with out the gear, but guys this isn't safe. If ya need nic go to a supplier, or get it from a lab.

 

[sjohnson]

Someone *will* try it? My money's on more than one person (person, not chemist) have already done it.

Face it, sooner or later there will be a reported fatality, pure nicotine is all too easy to purchase.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

If anybody has been sick from handling e-juice, let us know, I would really like to hear about it. If I spill some e-juice, do I need to call in a hazmat team from the EPA? Give me a break! Just talking like this will bring big brother and his heavy fist crashing down quickly.

Not if it's a 30ml of 24mg/ml, it'll just kill the cat........ Now, a liter of 10% is gonna cost $$$$. Can't say about jail time, but anyone handling 99% of any quantity who isn't a chemist with proper PPE ought to be shackled.

Darwin Award??....Alex, you kill me....crazy German...................

 

[portguy]

I cannot believe someone would even consider being in the same room with that. As a matter of fact if anyone in Europe tried to import pure nic as a user, they would be facing jail time as soon as customs seized it. And yes ...customs here in Portugal and in most European countries DO open ALL orders from outside EU.