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JoeMischief

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The controlling influence on the controversy everywhere, including the UK is the tax money and the people who benefit from that money. The tobacco companies can invest their capital in other things. The beneficiiaries of tax handouts have no funding alternatiives. May be the British are a little more civilized than the rest of us. My theory about the Brits is you have a moral authority presiding over public discourse. If you say really stupid stuff you're insulting the Queen. There is nothing like that in the US. I believe what will defeat the anti vaping folks is when their interference creates more troouble than it's worth. No matter what Trump or State governments do or don't do I'm going to be self sufficient for at least 10 years, may be 20 if things work better than planned. The cost of doing that is what I used too spend for a couple of months of smoking.

In the US nearly all the whiners about ecigs are tax supported, mostly NGO's. It is not a coincidence. It is a conflict of interest.
I don't think we're as civilised as you think. Here in the UK the state therefore taxes pay big Pharma for the meds the free National Health Service provides. Maybe they wanna save it. Our politicians have come out and said they are pretty much going to pay TPD lip service until we exit the European Union.

We as a nation have a history of uprisings against the establishment when we get ...... off that goes back to before many modern nations were formed. A word we came up with today was belligerent.
 

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I don't think we're as civilised as you think. Here in the UK the state therefore taxes pay big Pharma for the meds the free National Health Service provides. Maybe they wanna save it. Our politicians have come out and said they are pretty much going to pay TPD lip service until we exit the European Union.

We as a nation have a history of uprisings against the establishment when we get ...... off that goes back to before many modern nations were formed. A word we came up with today was belligerent.
My view is the only sensible approach to vaping for a life time includes mixing and rebuilding, regardless of government interference. At the moment, in most places in the US, vaping products are freely available by mail order which to me is the only sensible way to buy them. Can Brits buy 100 mg nic via mail order without interference? Once you have a few liters of that you can thumb your nose at governments for years. The 10 ml bottle limit has nothing to do with anything except anticipating taxes.
 

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It's a money grabbing exercise for sure. Sure I'll find a way to get nic when juice runs out. To be honest our politicians have come out publicly to say they don't care about TPD that much and with our exit from the European Union soon the laws may not even apply. Even if they do then we will only be fighting our own government not the whole of Europe.
 

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The FDA will most likely eventually affect vapers in Canada
So I'm assuming this?
(I never said the FDA will have jurisdiction in Canada, you are only assuming that)
Again No! I'm setting the record straight. The FDA has nothing to do with Canada!

Statements like you made will be taken as word by the non informed!
 

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So I'm assuming this?

Again No! I'm setting the record straight. The FDA has nothing to do with Canada!

Statements like you made will be taken as word by the non informed!

again, you seem to think I am saying the FDA has jurisdiction in Canada ... basically what I'm saying is, when the final USA FDA regs are set ... Health Canada will stop turning a blind eye to nicotine eLiquid in Canada.

You are not the only one here in Canada to think the FDA regs will only affect USA vapers ... when in reality, the vaping regulations in Canada are already worse than what the FDA is trying to put through ... according to Health Canada, there should no legal regulated nicotine eLiquid sold in Canada, and there is nothing on the horizon to say eLiquid with nicotine will ever be allowed in Canada.

The Canadian regulations in place now ... eLiquid for vaping is supposed to be !00% nicotine free.

I have personally had Canada Customs seize a small 10ml bottle of eLiquid I was sending to a friend in Florida ... nicotine seizures going both north and south of the border are never going to lighten up.

IMO, open tank vaping is surviving on borrowed time ... the long term good news, locked down cigalikes and pods will improve and everyone will still eventually be able to give up smoking combustible tobacco.

Vaping will never be banned ... the end game in this so called battle to save vaping is going to be locked down cigalikes and pod devices that will be just as expensive as smoking and will reap the same taxes and profits for BT.
 

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We are going on & on off topic here lets agree to disagree!
Here's a quote from the CBC's site on the new regs.

A key part of the legislation introduced in the Senate is to regulate health claims, such as that a vaping product will help smokers quit.

The legislation would cover vaping products with and without nicotine.

Other measures in the proposed legislation include:

  • A ban on the sale and promotion of all vaping products to those under age 18.
  • Prohibiting the promotion of flavours that appeal to youth, such as candy flavours.
  • Creating regulatory authority to display health warnings on vaping devices.
 

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Then you wonder why were loosing the fight! Everyone has given up all ready!
I have faith in my Country to do the right thing, Help people get off the cigarettes :)

The reason the vape fight cannot ever be won ... lost taxes and revenue from smoking.

in both Canada and the USA, the agenda has been ... vaping is not allowed to be advertised as a viable smoking cessation (ex-smoking vapers know it is the only proven method that works) ... plus, the ANTZ propaganda has already convinced the public, vaping is worse than smoking (and we're still years or never from turning that around ... certainly not while open tank vaping is still around).

They are still hammering the false gateway to smoking rhetoric ... we will never see joe public support vaping.
 

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I have faith in my Country to do the right thing, Help people get off the cigarette

Pffft. I lived there far too long to have an "optimist" view. Far too often the government starts of with good intentions and screws everything up royally with over regulation. The mere fact that they wish to do away with flavored e-liquids is a prime example of how badly the legislation will be screwed up.
 
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I am forever the Optimist! It's just a matter of time, till everyone knows,Vaping is harm reduction.
The deeming & new regs is just a ploy to eliminate the competition, vaping is going no were but Up!
All thats left to see is who is going to make all the money off it.
BT is certainly trying to be the one, but we the consumer can stop them!
We the people have to take back our right to choose! Not to have choices made for Us by the rich & powerful!

BT will never get another Red Cent from Me!
 

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    I am forever the Optimist! It's just a matter of time, till everyone knows,Vaping is harm reduction.
    The deeming & new regs is just a ploy to eliminate the competition, vaping is going no were but Up!
    All thats left to see is who is going to make all the money off it.
    BT is certainly trying to be the one, but we the consumer can stop them!
    We the people have to take back our right to choose! Not to have choices made for Us by the rich & powerful!

    BT will never get another Red Cent from Me!
    YAy! LIKE X 1000!
     

    JoeMischief

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    I am forever the Optimist! It's just a matter of time, till everyone knows,Vaping is harm reduction.
    The deeming & new regs is just a ploy to eliminate the competition, vaping is going no were but Up!
    All thats left to see is who is going to make all the money off it.
    BT is certainly trying to be the one, but we the consumer can stop them!
    We the people have to take back our right to choose! Not to have choices made for Us by the rich & powerful!

    BT will never get another Red Cent from Me!
    Wow. I really started something! Gotta love the positivity to this ending. People sometimes forget the power we have if we keep plugging away. We have non vaping film makers as advocates now. They have done what we should have done years ago. The big positive about this film is that WE as vapers had nothing to do with it. We have the huge weapon that we can show to the world that unbiased investigative journalism has discovered we are being misrepresented and wronged. They're brave enough to front big tobacco/pharma/world governments. We should be brave enough to fight for what we care about. I think we're so used to being apathetic we have forgotten how good it feels to fight. I saw a quote earlier along the lines that the most noise is being made by our opponents and our silence is their greatest weapon. Let's not let that be the case. Let's prove that we're more than a rag rag bunch of vapers...
     
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    JoeMischief

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    Just watched A Billion Lives, what a great bit of journalism. Made me feel proud to be a vaper, an ECF member and part of this great community. It was great to see Oliver speaking too.
    It seems to be drawing people in. I'm here because of it and as a newbie to the forum I quite enjoy interacting with other noobs. Many of them are mentioning it. They are quite active on twitter/YouTube/Facebook so maybe go there to support them if you can. We need to add our voices and be heard.
     
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