A Cigar Lover's perspective...

[shelleyb]

I plan to delve more into this, as my experience thus far has definitely piqued my interest. Do you have any personal recommendations?

I'm not a cigar smoker - but my husband is -- we both really like Naturally-Extracted tobacco "Big Spirit" -- that is the only flavor we've tried from them -

Also my husband loves Dirty Monkey Vapeworks "Brown Bomber NET)

 

[Langdell]

I suppose the hardest thing to convey is the way a cigar or some pipe tobacco changes flavor as it is smoked. This is due to several factors, from how the filler was rolled with the binder to the level of resin that builds as you smoke and how it all interacts with the wrapper (the leaf that gives the cigar its appearance, but also a lot of flavor). So the entire experience can get fairly complex tasting as you go. Things like how often you pull from it and how much ash you allow to accumulate affects the heat which can also affect the flavor as well. So as you can kind of gather, it can be a rather lush experience for your taste buds. I don't really see how a vaporizer can offer something like that, at least from one juice as it would seem the flavor profile is going to be fairly identical with each and every pull.

Check out a juice called Voodo from Halo. It actually has a complex flavor palate that varies over the course of the vape, especially if you are vaping it in a tank system over an extended period.

 

[UnclePsyko]

I suppose the hardest thing to convey is the way a cigar or some pipe tobacco changes flavor as it is smoked. This is due to several factors, from how the filler was rolled with the binder to the level of resin that builds as you smoke and how it all interacts with the wrapper (the leaf that gives the cigar its appearance, but also a lot of flavor). So the entire experience can get fairly complex tasting as you go. Things like how often you pull from it and how much ash you allow to accumulate affects the heat which can also affect the flavor as well. So as you can kind of gather, it can be a rather lush experience for your taste buds. I don't really see how a vaporizer can offer something like that, at least from one juice as it would seem the flavor profile is going to be fairly identical with each and every pull. It'd be interesting to see some mods designed that "drip" slightly varying flavors at random into the atomizer which would help simulate this...perhaps from a pool of 3 to 5 "mini-tanks". Of course it would only work well to simulate this if you had "liquid packs" designed to compliment each other in this way.

Of course maybe some of the natural extracts can do a good job all on their own in this regard, however until I can experiment with them (which I most certainly plan to do) I will remain skeptical. This is about the only real bummer I have experienced that truly disappoints me. Everything else seems "tweakable". So while I realize this isn't smoking, and there is plenty of potential to enjoy this, until you get that kind of..."automatic variation" experience it probably seem incomplete to me.

This isn't to say vaping doesn't have its own wonderful potentials, but while it might be able to replace cigarettes for many folks, it is currently, from my very limited experience, not capable of reproducing an experience sought after by cigar lovers. Thus probably the reason why so many call the devices E-Cigs. I say this with caution though, as I have limited experience and have yet to take the plunge into natural extracts. This could all change given time and experimentation, but I wanted to share my first impressions as that will likely be all most cigar smokers will really give this, if at all.

I'll Say this, Bshollow... You are right on target with your assumptions about vaping and all the intricacies associated with it as far as juices and hardware as it relates to smoking a true, quality stogie, or any tobacco in general. No, you will not, or ever will experience the depth and nuances with vaping as you do with smoking since the liquid isn't technically going thru the chemical reactions from combustion so it will not develop throughout the vape in the sense burning tobacco does. It will go thru changes as the coil and wick begins to season (for the lack of a better word) from the build up of the juice compounds, darkening of the juice itself from the heat (not combustion) and other factors.
Theoretically, the juice is using the essence of the tobacco itself in it's unburned state, and many liquids do manage to capture the flavor profile of the tobacco in it's cured, seasoned state so what you are used to in a cigar doesn't really apply when it comes to vaping.
BUT... if you enjoy the aroma of a seasoned cigar as you hold it under your nose and admire the subtleties of the wrapper, binder, filler and so on, vaping does to an extent capture that part of the experience. It's that part vaping that the vast majority have come to love about it. It is in fact, a different level of enjoyment that we just have to accept... and many of us do.

As far as your willingness to delve into the mechanical side of vaping, It's not all that hard to understand or do. Nearly everyone on the NET threads will attest... NET's really shine on a custom built coil/wick on a quality Rebuildable Dripping Atomizer (RDA) or rebuildable tank system such as the Kayfun or Genny. It really is not that hard at all, but there is some basic knowledge about Ohm's law and battery safety that must be followed... we're not talking electrical engineer degree either. There are many members here that would love to jump in and guide you thru that aspect.

So basically, vaping is just a whole new and different way to enjoy your favorite tobaccos that just takes a little adjustment time and patience, as well as curiosity! Who knows... soon, you may be macerating a few sacrificial cigars and steeping to make your own NET blends...

 

[Asbestos4004]

Sorry he called you Goodnews Jr. That's hitting waaaaaaay below the belt. You said nothing to deserve an attack of that magnitude.

 

[Bshollow]

However, I'm checking out Vaporzone as we speak though, I'm always looking for something easy that actually delivers flavor like it's supposed to, instead of that nasty burnt sock taste. Always on the lookout, I'm confident that I'll eventually run across something actually easy that really does work generally well with the standard, easy juices.
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The Bourbon and Swisha flavors are a decent novelty, but as I said...still flat and fairly simple. It was enough to prove to me that all this has potential, but not enough to remove all skepticism. However I like to believe even though I am a skeptic that I have an open mind, so I plan to go down this rabbit hole a bit further.

 

[All4MyFam]

I also suggest you upgrade your OB equipment to go along with your experimenting on RDA's. Adjusting your power output of your device as well as the ohm's of your builds will help you experience vaping a lot more completely than a beginner carto thrown on a basic fixed device. Some flavors taste best at 9 or 10 watts while others will burn at 8.5 watts unless you've you've modified your atty to give adequate air flow. Boba's Bounty is one of those juices mentioned above that you can fill a tank with and have an experience more similar to your cigar by just playing with your voltage during a vape session. It's also a thicker juice that provides a thicker vapor than most "basic flavors" do as well.

I've been vaping for a little over 4 months and have to vv/ve devices as well as a mechanical that I rotate between, depending on the juice I'm vaping. I also have a Kracken (genny style), Aqua (vacuum fed bottom coil RBA), Nimbus (RDA), and lastly a protank because I don't always feel like tinkering and sometimes just want to pick up a PV and vape.


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[DC2]

If you want more complex flavors you can always mix juices together.

 

[Anjaffm]

For cigar lovers, I recommend (by Flavor Art):

Cuban Supreme

Tuscan Reserve

The 2nd link also mentions some more nice tobacco flavors, and it seems that Flavor Art liquids and flavors are also available in the US.

Caution, "Dark Vapure" and "Perique Black" will ... uhm.. take your socks off.

- I used to love smoking small sweet-flavored cigars. And Cuban Supreme and Tuscan Reserve liquids, mixed with caramel flavor, replicate that taste 100%.

Happy vaping!

 

[UncleChuck]

Then, on top of that, the other awful truth is that this forum, at times, is about as helpful as a salt shaker to a snail. The information for everything is so scattered and contradictory around here that no one learns anything. In a couple weeks, if I accomplish the daunting task of rebuilding my own atomizer, I will be posting probably the most detailed post in the history of ECF, comparing wicking material, coils, sizes, shapes, prices, cleaning steps, builds, airflow holes, all that, giving the user an exact (and cheap as crap) list of the exact items down to the tee that they can purchase all from just one (or possibly two) websites, no other steps whatsoever other than assembling the pieces and using the website tools, to get a standard, clean, satisfactory vape.

Aside from the absurdity of you thinking you have the capability to even make such a thread when you haven't even begun rebuilding anything yet, do you realize how offensive your remarks are to all the people here who have put A LOT of effort into making tons of extremely detailed, and accurate posts to help their fellow vapers? People who actually have hundreds and hundreds of hours of build time under their belts, who have extensively used all materials, methods, and designs, who struggled, learned, and then later taught? To have you go around spitting on their contributions like that?

You talk big sir, REAL big, it's time to start backing it up. When you make that thread I have a feeling it's going to take a group effort of resident rebuilders to correct it to the point of being half-accurate.

 

[bam2873]

Aside from the absurdity of you thinking you have the capability to even make such a thread when you haven't even begun rebuilding anything yet, do you realize how offensive your remarks are to all the people here who have put A LOT of effort into making tons of extremely detailed, and accurate posts to help their fellow vapers? People who actually have hundreds and hundreds of hours of build time under their belts, who have extensively used all materials, methods, and designs, who struggled, learned, and then later taught? To have you go around spitting on their contributions like that?

Especially since those fellow vapors include the OP, who has received a ton of (attempted) aid himself from others.