A discouraging word

[TropicalBob]

This was in a Turkish newspaper along with the attack on electronic smoking:

Writer Hayri Cem is one of those who tried to quit smoking using electronic cigarettes, but he was better at quitting electronic cigarettes than he was with regular cigarettes.

“I smoked electronic cigarettes for a week. It doesn't make you feel like you are smoking, neither does it stop you from getting the urge to smoke,” Cem said.

He also noted that advertisements promoting the harmlessness of electronic cigarettes made him smoke even more of them. “There is no way that it can help quit smoking. You don't get the sense of joy you get from smoking normal cigarettes either,” he added.

 

[Oliver]

Hmmn, perhaps he was smoking a "gray market" version?

Well, I fully expect that for some the e-cigarette will never be a replacement. The addiction is complex and some will find the e-cig doesn't quite satisfy all elements.

When he speaks of the "joy" of cigarettes, it is hard quite to tell what he means, but I suspect he still has a romantic attachment to the act of smoking - something that the e-cig is unlikely to replicate.

However, if the e-cig remains available, I'm sure it will become more refined as the technology improves.

SJ

 

[tribalmasters]

He had a leaky atomiser I am guessing! Just like one of my penstyles, it vapes allright but the smoke is thin and there is no feeling at the back of the throat! I am glad I had trouble getting the mouthpiece of that atomiser else that would have been my first experience!!

 

[20ADAY]

"Joy Of Smoking" I think this is a psychological illusion that he has built within his psyche, as 20+ a day smoker for 15 years, Im fully aware that its not joy that making me smoke, its my reliance on nicotine.. He agree he probably has romantic notions of smoking as something more than a engineered delivery system for nicotine, envolving burning plant matter..


Anways they do work! My first day (esmoking) I had awoken with the murderous urge for nicotine and my e-smoke managed to calm the chemcial storm brewing in my body....

Maybe he should become more aware of what smoking is an how it actually effects him biologically.. Sound like an old timer that has formed mental illusions regarding smoking... Thats what years of media and companies smoking myths does to people, they linger on like old smoke.. Creating smoking icons and psychological links to the chemical addiction, people have so many bull**** concepts and dellusionary thoughts linked to smoking...

Its just a method of introducing a chemical that hijacks your minds reward circuitary and creates a real dependence..

 

[DeviLFisH]

He had a leaky atomiser I am guessing! Just like one of my penstyles, it vapes allright but the smoke is thin and there is no feeling at the back of the throat! I am glad I had trouble getting the mouthpiece of that atomiser else that would have been my first experience!!

think the one he smoke is low on battery power

can cart is less fuel...????

if insert a fresh battery and fresh cart , the feeling is near I should said is 90 percent near to real smoking ! even with normal draw just like ur normal cigarette...

BUT SADLY that is short lived ! ..due to battery bound will getting less power..atomiser will getting less power from low bat + cart liquid is getting lesser..

 

[DeviLFisH]

"Joy Of Smoking" I think this is a psychological illusion that he has built within his psyche, as 20+ a day smoker for 15 years, Im fully aware that its not joy that making me smoke, its my reliance on nicotine.. He agree he probably has romantic notions of smoking as something more than a engineered delivery system for nicotine, envolving burning plant matter..


Anways they do work! My first day (esmoking) I had awoken with the murderous urge for nicotine and my e-smoke managed to calm the chemcial storm brewing in my body....

Maybe he should become more aware of what smoking is an how it actually effects him biologically.. Sound like an old timer that has formed mental illusions regarding smoking... Thats what years of media and companies smoking myths does to people, they linger on like old smoke.. Creating smoking icons and psychological links to the chemical addiction, people have so many bull**** concepts and dellusionary thoughts linked to smoking...

Its just a method of introducing a chemical that hijacks your minds reward circuitary and creates a real dependence..

but I cannot deny he is not right here ,

okie okie I just esmoke for 4 days only torrow is 5 day ,

I feel great when on fresh battery and fresh cart .but time is short live
very fast I don;t feel the kick ...as all know battery will bound to run low ..atomiser heat stuffs and amount of liquid in the cart

as the day go by , I suck more and more hard somtime ...to get most out of my low bat low cart on my e cirgattes...thus nicotine level is decreasing and guess what

I will turn to real cigarette .

so conculsion for me , I still smoke real cigarettes BUT IT CUT DOWN
from a pack guy to just few sticks aday per day

torrow is my challenging time , cos will be out town with frds..
physcioally and asian ppl more care about self concousious

I don;t dare to take out my penstyle to smoke in public .
don;t want much attention ...next my country is already ban this stuffs commerical selling in here .

thus I will mostly smoke real cigarettes too .but e smoke in sneak mode if I want .

over regarding his words some is kinda true..

I feel I smoke even more .but in less tar , monoxide and numerous chemicals

but problem is till now on e liquid there is some "stuffs" we are not sure will do harm in long run too ?

 

[20ADAY]

DevilFish, would you like to be free from nicotine or are you simply looking for another method of smoking ?

 

[CaSHMeRe]

My take on the "joy of smoking"

The reason I started esmoking was for the joy/pleasure I got from the mechanical part. The look, feel, inhale/exhale, and smoke/vapor. I quit for about 7-8 months before I picked up esmoking, and to this day, I still use zero nicotine cartridges. I've tried a Nic cart here or there, or an eliquid with Nicotine, but the pleasure is no longer there and I thank God everyday for no longer being addicted to it.

Once the addiction to nicotine is gone, I think you may find yourself longing and missing for the mechanical part of smoking.

 

[DeviLFisH]

DevilFish, would you like to be free from nicotine or are you simply looking for another method of smoking ?

that why I am confusing myself for last 4 days of e smoke

okie I repeat my smoking habit here
if on real cigarettes I will sneak to smoke during the nite at hm where my parents is sleeping .

ya ya I am old enough here but afterall parents don;t like their children smoke .They know I smoked been caught while I was smoking in my bedroom I promised them to quit ..but sadly I still smoke , I believe they also know I am still smoke .

ya ya since got e smoke I can reduce my smoking habit and ya respect my parents since I promise them quit smoking .BUT IS HARD U KNOW MY DAD is hardcore smoker man , he will not smoke in front of me..will hide his cigarette while he is holding when he see me

whenever at home , he will go toliet smoke .whenever I want to use if happen my dad is finished smoking I will get the smell of the cigarette ..the smell seem is like a demon going throught my brain ...

that why I hard to quit in smoking here .


since I got e cigarette now...why I brought becos out of curious here I want to see and feel how it like

and I slowly noticed I get more chances to smoke more....

in toliet...inside office ....even openly in my bedroom sneak e smoke even my parents is watching tv in the living room BECOS IT DON;T GIVE SMELL .this is the best part


BUT IT DO reduce my intake of real cigarettes..

I miss the days I used to walk from my office to my office smoking area smoking and see babes..but now I sit in office keep puffing my e cigarettes...

I do have that urge to go and take a real cigarettes to smoke at my office smoking areas ..but maybe I keep constanly e smoke ...sometime it keep me from going ...


summary to me sadly since like e cigaratte is an another method of smoking for me ...

my frd is correct , in the first place , his bro in china happen to see news report stated actually e cigaratte make u smoke even more.

 

[DeviLFisH]

My take on the "joy of smoking"

The reason I started esmoking was for the joy/pleasure I got from the mechanical part. The look, feel, inhale/exhale, and smoke/vapor. I quit for about 7-8 months before I picked up esmoking, and to this day, I still use zero nicotine cartridges. I've tried a Nic cart here or there, or an eliquid with Nicotine, but the pleasure is no longer there and I thank God everyday for no longer being addicted to it.

Once the addiction to nicotine is gone, I think you may find yourself longing and missing for the mechanical part of smoking.

u got the will power ..

but sadly I don;t have ..since my smoking habit is like my wife..

I still single here..by the way that why haha ?

 

[Nazareth]

Bah- He's an anti-smoker in disguise- I mean who the heck cares if it is a product to 'help quit' or not? We ENJOY THEM, and many peopel do indeed report that htey ifnact do help them either quit or seriously cut down- so one man's biased opinion does not a fact make. We as a free society shoudl be able to buy products WE ENJOY, whether they be specifically for help in quitting or not. The anti-s can try attackign hte product if htey like, but hte bottom line is that there is no law agaisnt buying soemthign purely for hte enjoyment factor if hte ingredients are not federally regulated or banned. Let the anti's scream bloody murder all they like

P.S I REALLY ENJOY sitting in my house and being able to puff away on the E-Cigg and get my nicotine without hte bother of havign to go ourside in the freezing cold. Smoking is relaxing, and the calm it gives my adicted self is indeed a joy, as it is not a joy to be without nicotine. Do I wish I didn't have to experience this joy? Absolutely, but there is indeed joy in smoking or vaping- the article writer just prefers the joy of real ciggs over his electronic- but to emphatically claim there is no 'joy' is nothign but a biased one-sided opinion by someone who apparently needs more nicotine than an E-Cigg can deliver him- butto state it in such a way as to insinuate that nooen coudl expeirence joy is wrong.

 

[20ADAY]

DevilFish, Your dads brother stays in China, would be interesting if you could post things that are happening there regarding e-cigarettes, I can imagine they could make you smoke more, there is no cutoff, like a normal smoke you need to put out eventually, be nice to see once that you could set timer and "X" amount of puffs

 

[trog100]

making a public statement in a public medium like that.. one that can easily be argued to be false.. makes the man a fool in my book.. being a "writer" dosnt exclude him from this category..

the worlds media is full of misleading rubbish.. this is just an example of it..

trog

 

[DeviLFisH]

DevilFish, Your dads brother stays in China, would be interesting if you could post things that are happening there regarding e-cigarettes, I can imagine they could make you smoke more, there is no cutoff, like a normal smoke you need to put out eventually, be nice to see once that you could set timer and "X" amount of puffs

for ur info I not from china

from sg here tiny little dot in the world ...

ya is true I don;t have limit now on esmoking
whenever I like I smoke till the atomiser is hot no vapour than I stop

after 5 mins or so smoke again like this ...

hardcore?maybe becos if the cart ..don;t feel the kick even I on high nicotine ..

 

[leaford]

When he speaks of the "joy" of cigarettes, it is hard quite to tell what he means, but I suspect he still has a romantic attachment to the act of smoking - something that the e-cig is unlikely to replicate.

Yeah, it's like e-books and MP3s. Personally I neer read paper books or listen to CDs, tapes or records anymore. The advantages of the digital media far outweigh my affection for the old familiar form factors. But for others, they just will never enjoy reading THE SAME BOOK without the tactile sensation of holding the book, turning the pages, smelling the paper, etc.

"It is not logical. But it is often true."

 

[20ADAY]

Yeah, it's like e-books and MP3s. Personally I neer read paper books or listen to CDs, tapes or records anymore. The advantages of the digital media far outweigh my affection for the old familiar form factors. But for others, they just will never enjoy reading THE SAME BOOK without the tactile sensation of holding the book, turning the pages, smelling the paper, etc.

"It is not logical. But it is often true."

Very true, but books I disagree, I have read about one technology product that can maybe replace a real book, think its a sony something, but bar that nothing compares to the portability and readability of a actual book, but I feel e-cigarettes are different, which is maybe hypocritical as Im smoking a normal cig as I right this, but I trully feel a e-cigarette is quite compable. If they had a fixed does and a guranteed inhalation amount they would be very comparable, but at the present they are still a little random..

 

[20ADAY]

for ur info I not from china

from sg here tiny little dot in the world ...

ya is true I don;t have limit now on esmoking
whenever I like I smoke till the atomiser is hot no vapour than I stop

after 5 mins or so smoke again like this ...

hardcore?maybe becos if the cart ..don;t feel the kick even I on high nicotine ..

Where are you DF, I stay in a small place as well, the UK If Im honest I feel that I can get more than enough nicotine from an e-cig, I purchased a DSE901 from smokester at a decent price and it seems that its perfectly feesible to bomb yourself with nicotine with it

 

[DeviLFisH]

Where are you DF, I stay in a small place as well, the UK If Im honest I feel that I can get more than enough nicotine from an e-cig, I purchased a DSE901 from smokester at a decent price and it seems that its perfectly feesible to bomb yourself with nicotine with it

singapore my friend.

I don;t own dse 901 ..I own is a classic penstyle .

I maybe hardcore ..next maybe traditional cigarettes got "some addictive stuffs haha beside nicotine"

yup e cig I can control my urge to smoke BUT I HAVE TO drag more often ...maybe 18mg is also too low for me haha

yesterday 4 nite before going to bed I didn;t have real cig! but the tempation to have one still have .than I e smoke continous till I sick of sucking than go to bed


just wake up now , again thinking of smoking the real ones...

8-o

 

[20ADAY]

singapore my friend.

I don;t own dse 901 ..I own is a classic penstyle .

I maybe hardcore ..next maybe traditional cigarettes got "some addictive stuffs haha beside nicotine"

yup e cig I can control my urge to smoke BUT I HAVE TO drag more often ...maybe 18mg is also too low for me haha

yesterday 4 nite before going to bed I didn;t have real cig! but the tempation to have one still have .than I e smoke continous till I sick of sucking than go to bed


just wake up now , again thinking of smoking the real ones...

8-o

Mmmm.... Im thinking you have maybe a mental feeling regarding real cigs that can only be met by them, I think a e-cig should give you more than enough nicotine, but in your "mind" you wish for something more that isnt real part of a real cig, but part of your mind.... ? If you mentally feel an e-cig can never match an actual cigarette, I suppose it never will.

Singapore I have came to realise is a very strict country... if you have trouble getting what you wish Im sure people will help you here!

The Dse901 seems to be able to give more nicotine than I really need, I have smoked it for to long at times and felt that I have maybe taken to much nicotine..

 

[DeviLFisH]

Mmmm.... Im thinking you have maybe a mental feeling regarding real cigs that can only be met by them, I think a e-cig should give you more than enough nicotine, but in your "mind" you wish for something more that isnt real part of a real cig, but part of your mind.... ? If you mentally feel an e-cig can never match an actual cigarette, I suppose it never will.

Singapore I have came to realise is a very strict country... if you have trouble getting what you wish Im sure people will help you here!

The Dse901 seems to be able to give more nicotine than I really need, I have smoked it for to long at times and felt that I have maybe taken to much nicotine..

I got two classic penstyle from heaven gift

and yup sg don;t have ppl selling ...unless u "know how"

yes I do have the effect of nicotine from my penstyle

just that My mind still cannot take off have one to few stick of real cigarettes..BUT I DO cut down on it after having e cigarette..just that I keep puffing non stop ,