A little confused on coils....would like some clarity (Thanks!)

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Lato

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Im just a little confused but I appreciate the incite...


In my mind if I got the full size I would be able to crank up the volts even higher? As it stands with the mini I can go up to roughly 4 volts (which is no where near the max) before I start to get a burnt taste.


With the increased power of the Istick50w I was thinking that maybe I should buy a better head(?); Sorry my terminology is terrible.
 

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HI Lato and welcome to the forum. I have 2 of the Mini's (on the iStick 50W) and I am certain you will like them. I did notice the other day a web site selling the Mini's with BDC coils. (bottom dual coils) Mine use the BVC (bottom vertical coils) , so you might check if the Mini you ordered is one with the BVC or BDC. I do not know if they are interchangeable, and I wouldn't want to assume. It could have just been a programming typo with the web page but again I decided not to buy them because of the coils they were coming with weren't advertised as BVC. Good luck.
 

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Im just a little confused but I appreciate the incite...


In my mind if I got the full size I would be able to crank up the volts even higher? As it stands with the mini I can go up to roughly 4 volts (which is no where near the max) before I start to get a burnt taste.


With the increased power of the Istick50w I was thinking that maybe I should buy a better head(?); Sorry my terminology is terrible.
Welcome to ECF Lato!
The size of the tank on the Nautilus has no bearing. You now have the opportunity with the 50 to go lower ohm coils, higher wattage and voltage. The nautilus is still the nautilus and is only capable of the range despite what your mod is able to push. You can now either go to a different tank set up or drip if you like. You can fire .5 ohm coils in the Kanger sub, Aspire Atlantis, or many other RBA RDA's.
The Nautilus is perfectly great with the 50 w mod, you just have to set ot the same as you did with your 20
 

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The pre build coils for both nautilus and nautilus are the same. The older one which is BDC are dual coils and the new one BVC are vertical coils. if you do a search in ECF, you will find a lot of explanations on the improvement of the BVC coils. If I'm correct, the BVC coils comes in 1.8 and 1.6 ohms. Therefore, you will not be able to make full use of your new istick aside from having a longer battery life.

As per Dog Guy, you might want to explore either Kanger Subtank or Aspire Atlantis as both give you the ability to go sub-ohm and option to rebuild.

If you wish to jump further ahead, you can explore rebuildables atomizers or droppers.
 
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Lato

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The pre build coils for both nautilus and nautilus are the same. The older one which is BBC are dual coils and the new one BVC are vertical coils. if you do a search in ECF, you will find a lot of explanations on the improvement of the BVC coils. If I'm correct, the BVC coils comes in 1.8 and 1.6 ohms. Therefore, you will not be able to make full use of your new istick aside from having a longer battery life.

As per Dog Guy, you might want to explore either Kanger Subtank or Aspire Atlantis as both give you the ability to go sub-ohm and option to rebuild.

If you wish to jump further ahead, you can explore rebuildables atomizers or droppers.

Im currently using a coil that has 1.8 ohms printed on the side of it, whats the difference between the numbers?


Side Note: I remember the guy in store telling me that I was using a dual core coil (he sold it to me). But this was different than the original coil it came with. He gave me a choice between to...I believe he said that one coil was vertical and one was horizontal. Not sure why I went with the dual other than thinking it would produce more vape. It was very ignorant of me. Was just trying something different.
 
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Im currently using a coil that has 1.8 ohms printed on the side of it, whats the difference between the numbers?

Ohms are the units of electrical resistance. Basically they measure how "hard" it is to "push" electricity through the coils. The higher the resistance, the harder it is to push through, and so fewer amps (and, consequently, fewer watts) will be delivered at the same voltage. Resistance (ohms), current (amps) and voltage (volts) are all related to each other by Ohm's Law:

Amps = Volts / Ohms

In a mechanical (unregulated) mod, the only part you have direct control over is the resistance, by building your coils (or choosing pre-made ones) at higher or lower ohms. Voltage is determined by the battery's charge and usually falls in the range of about 3.2-4.2v (the battery tops out around 4.2v at full charge, and by the time it gets down around 3.1-3.3v it's time to charge the battery or swap out with a fresh one), and the current (amperage) is a factor of the other two. The lower the resistance of your atomizer, the more current will be applied to it at any given voltage.

With a regulated device like your iStick, though, it's a different story. Another related quantity is power, measured in watts and is equal to Volts * Amps (or V^2 / R). A regulated mod has a chipset inside that will adjust ("regulate") the power based on user-selected settings. In this case, power into the chip = power out. The chip varies the input power by internally adjusting its resistance, which in turn varies the amp draw from the battery which, when combined with the battery's current voltage (that's current as in "right now, at this moment," not current as in amperage) determines the power (wattage) level.

So if, for example, your battery is currently sitting at 3.7 volts and you set the mod to 15 watts, then the chipset adjusts its resistance (ohms) to provide that amount of power. So it sets it resistance to roughly 0.91 ohms, which leads to an amp draw of 3.7/0.91 = 4.05 amps. This 4.05 amps, multiplied by the battery voltage (3.7 volts, remember) comes out to 14.985 watts (or exactly 15 watts, if the mod didn't round the numbers like I did.)

So, there are 15 watts being delivered to the chip. On the other side, there are still 15 watts coming out of it, but now this time the resistance is determined by the atomizer coil. So say you've got a 1.8 ohm coil, and we know that power (15 watts) is equal to voltage squared divided by resistance (1.8 ohms); now we have an equation that we can solve for x (or in this case, v):

15 = v^2 / 1.8
15 * 1.8 = v^2
27 = v^2
sqrt(27) = v

So the voltage applied to the atomizer in this case is sqrt(27) or about 5.19 volts. So unlike a mechanical mod, where lower resistance results in increased power, in a regulated mod, lower resistance simply leads to less voltage being applied to deliver the specified power level.

Of course there are many factors that go into determining the resistance of a coil. Okay, maybe not "many" but at least two. Resistance is directly proportional to the length of the wire, and inversely proportional to its cross-section (thickness), so you can have a long, thick wire with the exact same resistance as a shorter, thinner wire. So even though they have the same resistance, and therefore the same power applied at a certain voltage, the vape experience could be quite different between the two coils. But in general, a lower resistance will allow you to use more power for a fuller, warmer vape, as long as the device you're using, and the battery that's powering it, are up to the task.
 
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Welcome to ECF, Lato!

You've gotten some great tips from people (including Susan's link to evape.us for the coils!) $10/5-pk is a good price.

You probably won't tell much difference in the 1.6Ω v. the 1.8Ω coils. I have two full-sized and one mini Nautilus. Truthfully, I'm not crazy about the full-sized - that's almost too much to go through before changing flavors :) I have flavor ADD and like to change more frequently :D

I have a handful of Kanger PT2s for which I rebuild the coils, and I build between 1.7-2.0 most of the time. I'm hard-pressed to tell what ohm coil I'm running unless I look at my display.

I do have a couple Kanger Subtank Nanos now. THOSE I can tell a difference - I can up the power (haven't gone much over 23W on the 0.5Ω coils or over 18W on the 1.2Ω coils) and it is quite a bit different than even the Nautiluses.

Long rambling aside, the full-sized Nautilus v. the Nautilus Mini isn't going to be any different on either iStick (just how much juice you can hold at one time.) But, if you want to play with increased power, the Kanger Subtanks, Aspire Atlantis (I don't have one of those) or some sort of rebuildable where you can control the coil build will allow you to expand your horizons.

However, DO NOT get into rebuilding until you're well-versed in Ohm's Law and have a good ohmmeter with which to measure the builds BEFORE firing the coil. The iStick 50W can handle downwards of a 0.2Ω build safely, but the iStick 20W I believe is limited to about 1Ω (maybe 0.8, but I don't remember its exact specs.)
 

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Frankly, I've tested both and did not find much difference between the 1.6 and 1.8 ohm. I would suggest to try the BVC coils. In my opinion, it makes hell of a difference in terms of flavor and vapor.

Sadly, I dropped my Nautilus Mini today and cracked the tank. Due to the fact that it's going to be Chinese New Year here, all the shops will be closed for at least 2 days. So I desperately went to the closest vape shop and bought a Kanger Subtank Mini. Oh god...tons of difference with the flavor and vapor. With Nautilus Mini, I was vaping at 15W...with Subtank Mini, I'm currently vaping at 28W
 
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