a new GGTB review

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SlapNuts

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I don't need a warranty I need someone to replace this junk button
this button that three separate reviewers have pointed out does not function correctly.

YouTube - The GGTB - Hardware PV review
YouTube - How To Mod The GG TB Button To Activate a 100% Now
YouTube - Kobold's GGTB home button fix.

This button that grinds, misfires due to some design flaw (I think the spring) and generally has a hard time between figuring out if it wants to lock or fall off.

I don't have any experience with the old design but I have one of the new 510 GGTB's with the shorter improved button and I have to say after a week of owning this I have had zero issues, no grinding or misfires. Also I don't use the magnets but plan on getting a set just to try.
 

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Golden, I just saw your video. I have to say 1-2 things about it.

1. You could stretched the exisiting spring instead of putting a new one. But your new spring is fine if it works ok for you
2.
a. I dont know why you dont unlock or lock button hard. I dont see a reason for this. The only you earn is to make your life dificult by not being able to screw or unscrew it again easily.
b. If you insist screwing or unscrewing hard the locking nut but you are trying to find a solution to your habit then you can screw a little with pliers the lower of the knurled rings. Thats it.
3. You are still not a big fun of GGTB. I dont know why, maybe you need more of a PV. GGTB was made to last for ever (thats why my lifetime waranty) and to offer a nice, simple solution to its users by being more than user friendly. Its not a GGTS but even if its almost like the first mechanical e-cig PV (GGGrant), it still has its place on vaping community because of its simplicity and because its robost.

If you need something really special you can have GGTS/UFS combo. You will never look back again.
 

stitosma

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I have 5 GG's and love them all, including the GGTB. The only issue I've had is with my older GGTS and its 510 connector. Imeo is sending me a replacement. He has been more than helpful . I can't say enough about the GG line or the customer service I have recieved. I love the fact that they are all mechanical and so easy to use and maintain. I'm an older lady and I think it's great that Imeo keeps inventing new things for GG for those who want them...but for me I'll keep it simple...vapes first time every time...no problems
 

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I don't need a warranty I need someone to replace this junk button
this button that three separate reviewers have pointed out does not function correctly.

YouTube - The GGTB - Hardware PV review
YouTube - How To Mod The GG TB Button To Activate a 100% Now
YouTube - Kobold's GGTB home button fix.

This button that grinds, misfires due to some design flaw (I think the spring) and generally has a hard time between figuring out if it wants to lock or fall off.

Oh, MY!!! You are going WAY out of your way to be difficult. The warranty is what will replace or repair the switch. But, you have to contact IMEO and set something up with him in order to make this happen. Doing a negative video is NOT the way to have a manufacturer repair something under warranty.

Don't complain that you are getting wet if you wont come in out of the rain! From what I have seen, others are having no problems working with IMEO. Have you even tried?????

I am done posting in this thread. I do not like where it is going......

I like my GGTB. I wish you luck with getting yours fixed and working like it should.
 
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This idea that you can't review a defective product, without contacting and waiting for Greece to respond is preposterous and I have already addressed it. I have already fixed the problem by means of a clicky pen and some wire cutters, an inglorious solution for an inglorious product.

This whole idea of a lifetime warranty does not coincide with many peoples experience under the GG line, if the GG has a lifetime warranty then why did vaporkings offer a maintenance plan? You do not buy a maintenance plan for something under a lifetime warranty.

If the GG has a lifetime warranty then why are the springs available for sale? You do not buy a replacement car door if your door is under warranty, that is what the warranty does. A lifetime warranty is great, asking for more money for a defective part, that has independently been shown to affect performance, is not.

If the GG is so stellar why is the product return policy for it worse than any other product in the Vapor Kings and now Clouds of Vapor line up, they have more confidence...and buy confidence I mean policy of return...in every other product they sell from the Ego to the cherry vape drip tip, than they do for the GG line.

I didn't bash this product in the review, I honestly portrayed it. Its an 80 dollar mod that does less than other mods of the same price range. It has the worst return policy in the business. It may or may not have the worst Warranty in the business. It has manufacturer defects. It looks pretty but only if you keep it behind glass. Its prone to falling apart as Schlitz points out. Some people don't have tarnishing issues, but there are more than enough threads on this sub forum alone to show that some people do...even between different GG's of the same metal.. Imeo says the GGTB is "perfect" I disagree. Mine doesn't get used anymore.

Mine sits in a drawer, maybe one day I will drag it out and rip off the 3 toned nickle, powder coat the brass and fix the internal resistance.

I will leave with a quote from the thread that started all this from one of the ECF users.

"I at one point put alot of money into these products and everything I ever had tarnished very quickly and become a pain in the **s to keep clean.. Also the updates just got crazy IMO, I have a Super T P16 that I have used regularly for 6 or 7 months now and I've NEVER had to clean it"
 
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I will stop saying the GG's warranty is in a state of limbo when the sellers of the GG, and not some fan made GG wikipedia site, actually confirm it. As it stands the warranty does not meet US regulations on what is and is not a "full warranty" under magnuson-moss, in fact clouds of vapors removes itself from any implied warranty by stating "as is" in the product description.

There is no legal warranty on the GG in the united states. End of story.

edit: and obviously since warranty is a legal term it has no warranty in the US.
 
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Golden, I like the way you deform things :lol: I think you are good on this but not very good.

So here what you said:

"This idea that you can't review a defective product, without contacting and waiting for Greece to respond is preposterous"

My simple answer is:

You did well. I dont have a problem with that. But I have a problem with you suggesting to people on your first video to buy other mods. I am sure that you dont expect from anyone much respect for this. It was so obvious that you wanted to badmouth the GG that I was going to cry from laughs.:lol:

You said: "If the GG has a lifetime warranty then why did vaporkings offer a maintenance plan?"

My simple answer is:

Because only God lasts for ever. And my lifetime waranty doesnt mean that GG will last for ever, no need for warranty then!!! It means that I will replace any part that will fail after years because I dont afraid of what I make. Also means that I care too much for my customers. But you try for one more time to deform my good intentions.

You said:

"If the GG has a lifetime warranty then why are the springs available for sale?"

Again my simple answer is:

Because your spring maybe get damaged from a short cirquit from a bad atomizer. If you use cheap things that cause damages them I cant take care of those damages you do. But to see how my waranty works, I will still replace your tube that a truck will brake, or the caps or anything inside GG with only 10 euros fee! Also you never asked for a replacement spring when you got the GGTB. If you had said Rob that you had a problem be sure that Rob or me would had replace it immediately as I do with all my customers. But you never bothered to contact me or Rob, am I right?

You said:

"If the GG is so stellar why is the product return policy for it worse than any other product?"

My very simple answer is:

Because noone in this world accept returns for a product that works. Noone accept returns for a product because a customer realized suddenly that he doesnt suit him. And all companies ask first about the issue, so if its an easy fix they just fix it. Your issue was a spring :lol: Big deal! a defective spring from a bad batch of springs and you want to return a product for this? Is this the only thing you saw on GGTB? But you never ask anyone about anything, you just try to beat the product.

Also you still insist on the price difference. You talk always with dollars. Maybe you want to force people to buy from USA now that dollar is cheap? You will do the same when dollar gets more expensive that euro? Will you make a video to say that GGTB is very cheap now? I have said before that here is Europe and you have to talk in euros. If you want to talk in dollars then you must review and compare prises of the usa mods, dont bother with European ones. Its a bad policy and you make your reviews look a little fool to my opinion.

You said:

"It may or may not have the worst Warranty in the business".

My too simple answer is:

I am sure that after my explanations about my waranty, (you never asked for it, you never understand it) not only you will take this back but you will say that GG waranty is the best.

You said:

"It has manufacturer defects. It looks pretty but only if you keep it behind glass. Its prone to falling apart as Schlitz points out. Some people don't have tarnishing issues, but there are more than enough threads on this sub forum alone to show that some people do...even between different GG's of the same metal.

My answer is:

Exept spring what are the other "manufacturer defects"? Its the first time you mention them. You found more? Can you explain better or you just want to throw things on table just to make impressions? It doesnt look very pretty when you take a very close look on it? You mean that its not too shiny? It has marks? What exactly you mean? Do you know that GG has the best finish from all the other mods? As for our friend Schlitz , what was his problem? That he will lose the parts? IS THIS A SERIOUS ARGUMENT???? He said that you can lose easy the false battery, the button etc. Then maybe to make a very big GG with huge parts like a hookah? Will you buy it just because you cant lose those big parts? Are you serious? We try to make things smaller and smaller and you suggest to make them as big as we can? Making big is too easy, making small is the difficult part my friend golden and thats we all try to do here. If you want a huge cig that you can carry only by a truck I can make one for you lol.

As for the tarnishing issues that you mention, nickel is nickel and some people have corrosive sweat and nickel is tarnishing. Maybe you want me to invent a new metal? Ok, I will go to my laboratory tomorow to make one!!

You said:

"Mine sits in a drawer, maybe one day I will drag it out and fix the internal resistance."

My very simple answer/question is:

1. sell it

and 2. what internal resistance are you talking about? Maybe the metals I use are different than what other people use? Maybe "my" aluminium or "my" nickel or my brass are different? You mean that I make my own metals? Maybe you mean that other mods have less resistance? Maybe you mean that you can suggest me a metal supplier? What exactly you mean by internal resistance? Maybe the metals I use have some plastic inside? Or maybe I do a secret prossedure that makes my metals more resistant?

You said:

"I will leave with a quote from the thread that started all this from one of the ECF users.

"I at one point put alot of money into these products and everything I ever had tarnished very quickly and become a pain in the **s to keep clean.. Also the updates just got crazy IMO, I have a Super T P16 that I have used regularly for 6 or 7 months now and I've NEVER had to clean it"

My last and still simple answer is:

When I was making GG, ALL the other modders were simple users. So if a customer has an aluminium mod he has to clean it. Some day I was making aluminium GG and too many modders still make mods from aluminium. And customers still have to clean them. So maybe you mean that all aluminium mods are rubish? Do you want to say this in an open forum on ecf or you are afraid that all modders will come against you?
So older customers have to clean all aluminium mods, am I right? Yes I am. Do you have a proposition for that? You just complain and complain and you dont offer a solution. People that only complain without offering a solution are the people that bring only problems my friend golden. And you are one of them. You always complain, you deform things, you dont contact with seller or me, you make videos proposing other cigs to people, you insist on your opinions even if we all here try to explain you the reality.

So if I say that you are a real troller I would be right or wrong? I dont say that you are, I want you to tell me.

supert mod and any other steel mod doesnt need cleaning because they are made from steel. But when supert was making aluminium mods (seeing what I was doing) was ok? Think a little before you post, I told you the other day to do it but you still do nothing about it.

And the big laugh is about the updates. I mean that if you post here this quote from a thread on ecf you mean that you also agree with it, am I right? So you agree that I have to stop making updates? You mean that other modders that dont make updates are better modders? Maybe you mean that we have to stuck on what we have? You mean that Trog that made SD didnt do well and we had to stuck with China cigs? You mean that I have to stop inventing things? You mean that I have to stop updating GG even if I have a nice idea for it? You mean that if a modder updates its product follows a bad policy? That way we would still live in caves or in graves golden lol.
I am a man that likes new things, I like progress, I like life and I have too many ideas. Also I never forced anyone to buy any update. If you dont want to buy the update then dont. Will you accuse me for that too? So if you try to say that people with no new ideas are better than a man with full ideas then you have no reason to post on ecf. You can by a DES 901 cig and go home. Because here is the place for science and progress, you dont belong here. And better not to post here again because I dont want to lose my time answering to you. You dont need answers, you need fight. I have serious things to do like updating GG or making new things for it, something that you dont like. So please go and fight somewhere else, we have to invent some things here now.
 
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According to US law the GG has no lifetime warranty as sold by Clouds of Vapor Imeo,
It simply doesn't under US law and I think you and Clouds both know this...whether or not you choose to send out parts on your "pay me 14 dollars and get a part plan" is a totally different thing than a warranty. Legally speaking you have no warrantied GG's sold in the US.

Here is the scam
GG claims a warranty
Cloud sells a product with a language that automatically voids all warranties in most states.
Neither GG nor Cloud is at this point covering the product under US law. ECF users still run around claiming GG has a warranty when in fact it does not.

right here
"Because your spring maybe get damaged from a short cirquit from a bad atomizer. If you use cheap things that cause damages them I cant take care of those damages you do. But to see how my waranty works, I will still replace your tube that a truck will brake, with only 10 euros fee! Also you never asked for a replacement spring when you got the GGTB."

shows that whatever you do have is completly subjective to your whims at this point, you cover the tube? Do you honestly think that is what all these people thought you meant. The tube?
You do not have a full warranty you have an "If Imeo feels like it" warranty
you have the worst warranty in the business as far as the US market is concerned, that is called a complete lack of warranty.
To actually legally say you have a warranty you would have to have one GG for sale in the united states covered under a warranty, and to have a warranty you have to actually HAVE a warranty available for viewing somewhere and not have your only authorized US seller void the warranty before each sale, and you do not.
 

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I do not own a GG, but I would like to say that I believe Golden has an axe to grind. GG's have a reputation and I feel Golden just wants to try and knock the GG down a peg or 2.

From everything I have been reading here, i would feel very confident buying a GG, that would satisfy me. The GGTB looks like a really nice entry level PV in the GG line.

The GG line are some of the nicest PV's I have seen and seem very innovative. The gripes Golden has, are so minor, that I don't see what the issue is.

If I bought one and thought it was horrible, it would go right up in the classys with a loss of a few bucks and lesson learned. The fact that it has not gone up for sale, makes me believe that it is not as horrible as Golden tries and make it out to be.

Believe me if I had money, I would have a bunch of mods. Due to money, I have to make my own.
 

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Bert, I'm very pleased to read that you wouldn't be detered from buying a GGTB or any other GG for that matter from what you have read here.

I own 2 GGTB's . . . I love them both, I barely recognise the rant against them as being the devices that I own and use on a daily basis.

For me, when you purchase a GG - you buy a 'package', not just the device itself . . . but great vendor service and personal help from Imeo himself.

I don't understand why, if Golden was what unhappy he didn't just contact Imeo/BB who would have resolved any issues, without the need to resort to causing this upset.
 

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John: I couldn't tell if you were joking, but it's a flexible atty connector. Here's a link to a Gooseneck video.

I have to tell you that I googled one of the russian scientist's pictures and your avatar came up!!!! I broke out laughing!!!:thumb:

No, the reviewer mentions them in a couple of his reviews, I found it odd and surreal..........non-sensical IMO but what the heck do I know about common sense? I still try in the GG contests!!!!!:lol::lol::lol::lol:
 

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I have to tell you that I googled one of the russian scientist's pictures and your avatar came up!!!! I broke out laughing!!!:thumb:

No, the reviewer mentions them in a couple of his reviews, I found it odd and surreal..........non-sensical IMO but what the heck do I know about common sense? I still try in the GG contests!!!!!:lol::lol::lol::lol:

I mention it in response to Igetcha's humorous review of the gooseneck as the most pointless thing ever invented. You may notice I only mention it when I am talking on his threads..you may not.

As far as your comment about me hating most mods...well I am flattered you pay so much attention to my posts, but you are wrong.

Imeo, close this thread.
 
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