A New Study... (lol)

[Bramble]

They want to know if e-cigs are safer than real ones. They say it's the first study of its kind...

E-Cigarette study at Roswell Park Cancer Institute | WHEC.com

Edit: Oops Sorry I just noticed I posted this in the wrong area.

 

[zoiDman]

They want to know if e-cigs are safer than real ones. They say it's the first study of its kind...

E-Cigarette study at Roswell Park Cancer Institute | WHEC.com

Edit: Oops Sorry I just noticed I posted this in the wrong area.

I don't see any of the Details about the Study so I Can't say if it is "the first of it's kind" or not.

 

[DrMA]

careful with this one... RPCI is well know for its peddling of second/third - hand smoke nonsense, including the worst nonsense of all about pre-birth "exposure". They are essentially an arm of BP. The ecig study might be a pretext to allow them to fabricate junk science on vaping, just like they've done before:
http://ntr.oxford
journals.org/content/early/2013/12/10/ntr.ntt203.short?rss=1

 

[rothenbj]

I wouldn't expect too much-

https://www.roswellpark.org/media/n...t-findings-2-e-cigarette-studies-srnt-meeting

 

[zoiDman]

I wouldn't expect too much-

https://www.roswellpark.org/media/n...t-findings-2-e-cigarette-studies-srnt-meeting

One word that I love seeing in a summation paragraph is "Significant".

It is such a Beautiful word. In that it can be Used to convey so Many Different Connotations. But Doesn't have a very widely excepted Quantitative Value.

 

[Bramble]

I don't see any of the Details about the Study so I Can't say if it is "the first of it's kind" or not.

careful with this one... RPCI is well know for its peddling of second/third - hand smoke nonsense, including the worst nonsense of all about pre-birth "exposure". They are essentially an arm of BP. The ecig study might be a pretext to allow them to fabricate junk science on vaping, just like they've done before:
http://ntr.oxford
journals.org/content/early/2013/12/10/ntr.ntt203.short?rss=1

They are setting out to "find out" if something that has already been shown to be true, is actually true... I look for a very skewed survey to come out of this.

 

[zoiDman]

They are setting out to "find out" if something that has already been shown to be true, is actually true... I look for a very skewed survey to come out of this.

I'm not saying that the Study won't be Skewed in some way.

It is somewhat Rare when Study does not Lean to yielding Favorable Statistical Results for the Person/Group Funding it.

Because if it Doesn't, they are Many times Not Published.

 

[DrMA]

They are setting out to "find out" if something that has already been shown to be true, is actually true... I look for a very skewed survey to come out of this.

I'm afraid that's a bit off mark. I'm guessing they're setting out to demonstrate that 2nd-hand and 3rd-hand vapor are as hazardous as 2nd-hand and 3rd-hand smoke. And they will do all this in their white lab coats under the guise of science.

I'm not saying that the Study won't be Skewed in some way.

It is somewhat Rare when Study does not Lean to yielding Favorable Statistical Results for the Person/Group Funding it.

Because if it Doesn't, they are Many times Not Published.

Yes, this is called publication bias or the "file drawer effect" - Publication bias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
However, I don't expect that will be the case here. It's far more likely this will be a case of "data dredging" or confirmation bias.

 

[zoiDman]

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Yes, this is called publication bias or the "file drawer effect" - Publication bias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
However, I don't expect that will be the case here. It's far more likely this will be a case of "data dredging" or confirmation bias.

I've seen it done Many Times.

When the testing Can't be Relaxed Enough, or Non-Outlining Data was Omitted to the Point of being Too Obvious, that Good Study Results die on the vine because they Differ from what the Funder can Tolerate Seeing.

 

[Steamix]

Yada yada , and there's not only the 'pre-birth' risk, there's also the the 'pre-conception' risk...

Think of all the children ...

And the Flat-Earth-Society...

 

[Endor]

I was delivered in the late 60's by a doctor who, according to my mother, was literally smoking a cigarette as I came down the birth canal.

Its a miracle that I survived my own birth with second-hand smoke in the air as I took my first breath.

Frankly, its amazing our species even survived the 60s and 70s with all the smoking going on. And now, we have VAPING putting "significant" quantities of nicotine on surfaces... oh my.

 

[rothenbj]

I'm afraid that's a bit off mark. I'm guessing they're setting out to demonstrate that 2nd-hand and 3rd-hand vapor are as hazardous as 2nd-hand and 3rd-hand smoke. And they will do all this in their white lab coats under the guise of science.



Yes, this is called publication bias or the "file drawer effect" - Publication bias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
However, I don't expect that will be the case here. It's far more likely this will be a case of "data dredging" or confirmation bias.

I can't wait until "White Collar", "CSA" and "Law and Order SVU" get replaced with "FBI, WCCU" (White Coat Crime Unit). Of course the FBI has to actually set up a unit to investigate before TV can develop a semi-reality show, but I've got their pilot already developed.

They investigate a mechanical engineer that has worked his way into the Tobacco Control mafia and is wielding his power in a West coast university in a money laundering operation for the drug company cartel.

 

[rothenbj]

I was delivered in the late 60's by a doctor who, according to my mother, was literally smoking a cigarette as I came down the birth canal.

Its a miracle that I survived my own birth with second-hand smoke in the air as I took my first breath.

Frankly, its amazing our species even survived the 60s and 70s with all the smoking going on. And now, we have VAPING putting "significant" quantities of nicotine on surfaces... oh my.

I had already reached adulthood by the time you got delivered, one of the children from the Greatest Generation- a proverbial smoke factory produced by the survivors from WWII and the men that stayed behind to service all the wives. There was huge baby production in those days as the social security rolls continue to climb now. Smoke filled doctor's offices, schools, stores and homes littered the landscape creating what is known today as a super fund site of THS, but somehow this deadly environment with chemicals that have no half life remains lived in today.

The strange thing about those dark, smoke filled days of civilization, you didn't see the massive number of kids with asthma, panic attacks, ADHD and general mental illness. Maybe someone will some day study what went wrong.

 

[NorthOfAtlanta]

As another member of the first year of baby boomers, at that time they called most of those "diseases" growing up.

 

[AgentAnia]

....The strange thing about those dark, smoke filled days of civilization, you didn't see the massive number of kids with asthma, panic attacks, ADHD and general mental illness. Maybe someone will some day study what went wrong.

I know, I know, correlation does not equal causation, but it kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it...?

 

[NorthOfAtlanta]

Things like above make me think that BP is way ahead of us. They are trying to get complete control of nicotine so they can "find" all the good things about it when they own it. Some corporations do think that far ahead.

 

[rothenbj]

I know, I know, correlation does not equal causation, but it kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it...?

Actually, I don't believe the lack of smoking has a relationship to the increases in all these human ailments. However the psychosomatic effects of the nanny state may be linked to many of the health issues we are now seeing. Further study is needed and there is no scientific proof of these statements, but I'm sure with proper study by well funded researchers in Cali., the evidence will be provided. BP is currently working on the vaccine.

 

[dave8944]

One word that I love seeing in a summation paragraph is "Significant".

It is such a Beautiful word. In that it can be Used to convey so Many Different Connotations. But Doesn't have a very widely excepted Quantitative Value.

Well, it did have an accepted quantitative value before these political and agenda driven studies started getting published without it. Even now, in most fields an effect has to show a less than 5% probability that the effect is not due to chance factors. I think they blew that out of the water with the first second-hand smoke studies in this area of research, so you're right. No telling what they mean in a study by the gland.

 

[DrMA]

Well, it did have an accepted quantitative value before these political and agenda driven studies started getting published without it. Even now, in most fields an effect has to show a less than 5% probability that the effect is not due to chance factors. I think they blew that out of the water with the first second-hand smoke studies in this area of research, so you're right. No telling what they mean in a study by the gland.

Actually that was the EPA, not the Cali researchers. They also excluded data that did not fit their expectations. Unfortunately, the Osteen decision which called out their bs was overturned on appeal and thus the shs nonsense became fact.

 

[Endor]

I had already reached adulthood by the time you got delivered, one of the children from the Greatest Generation- a proverbial smoke factory produced by the survivors from WWII and the men that stayed behind to service all the wives.

I'm at the very beginning of Generation X, but as I've gotten older and (hopefully) more wiser, I have developed a serious respect for your generation.

My father-in-law is 89 and fought active combat in the WWII Pacific theater as a Marine... and by "active combat" I mean landing on Iwo Jima in a Higgins boat and spending 31 days being shot at.

*sigh*... I wish we still our society had the values and can-do attitude that you all had back then.

Sorry for this being a bit OT, but just had to pay some respect....