Oh, I think they knew all about cigs long before they had to release the information.
They knew exactly what they were doing and what to put in them to get everyone hooked.
A prelude for the FDA approving E-cigs?
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Oh, I think they knew all about cigs long before they had to release the information.
They knew exactly what they were doing and what to put in them to get everyone hooked.
Actually- A kid could go to any grocery store, drug store, walmart, etc with cash in hand, and purchase a Visa gift card. That can now be used as a credit card on any website. I have no doubt that many kids have done just that in order to purchase membership to porn sites. So nothing to prevent them from buying e-cigs the same way. But I doubt the majority of kids are going to want to waste their money buying e-cigs. Those kids that think smoking is "cool" are going to want the real thing. Very few are going to have any interest in e-cigs (my opinion)
i happen to agree with a lot of the things that are said on the thread so far. i am a parent myself and i keep my vaping supplies out of the reach of my son just like anything else i dont want them to touch. also i fail to see how the "only enter if you are 18 and over" really works. what is the premise behind that? to say that my kid lied if i saw that he went to a site he shouldnt have?
i see it as my responsibility to make sure my child doesnt do what i dont think he should do: a simple problem with a simple solution. seems to escape the majority of the people.
also at the age of 27; most of the younger people i work with laugh at me when i pull out my ego-t and vape in the smoke section at work; this isnt marketed for them so they have little interest in it; any who do are quickly duped by the vague fear-mongering of the prohibitionists: "you're smoking anti-freeze" they say, PG is added to anti-freeze to make it LESS TOXIC and at the same time go to walmart and read the ingredients for angel-food cake: they put PG in it!
i see it as my responsibility to make sure my child doesnt do what i dont think he should do: a simple problem with a simple solution. seems to escape the majority of the people.
also at the age of 27; most of the younger people i work with laugh at me when i pull out my ego-t and vape in the smoke section at work; this isnt marketed for them so they have little interest in it; any who do are quickly duped by the vague fear-mongering of the prohibitionists: "you're smoking anti-freeze" they say, PG is added to anti-freeze to make it LESS TOXIC and at the same time go to walmart and read the ingredients for angel-food cake: they put PG in it!
Ok, Now I'm gonna be ill, because I'm going to say something positive about the FDA.
They did a good thing in catching the one N-Joy carto that had a touch of actual anti freeze in it...
It was a rare case and a miniscule amount that wasn't harmful but they did catch it....
Now we are made aware and it is looked for.
Now I gotta hurl ((*******))
That said, they then used it as a tactic to condemn the whole industry, insight fear and spew misinformation like nitrosamines in e-cig nicotine as carcinogenic which is still in question (unproven), is in perscription gums, inhalers, and patches, and is 100-1000x less than real cigs.
Eat a charred steak and see how many carcinogens you get.
They did a good thing in catching the one N-Joy carto that had a touch of actual anti freeze in it...
It was a rare case and a miniscule amount that wasn't harmful but they did catch it....
Now we are made aware and it is looked for.
Now I gotta hurl ((*******))
That said, they then used it as a tactic to condemn the whole industry, insight fear and spew misinformation like nitrosamines in e-cig nicotine as carcinogenic which is still in question (unproven), is in perscription gums, inhalers, and patches, and is 100-1000x less than real cigs.
Eat a charred steak and see how many carcinogens you get.
The whole situation with the FDA is a no brainer im a commercial fisherman and I am being regulated down tonthe point where I can't even make a living, yet imported seafood has more pollutants in it than you can imagine. But what does the government want? Taxable product. And loyal customers like tobacco users to use it until they die. Because when. They use it more than likely they're children will use it and so on. You think they keep raising the tax on cigarettes for no reason. And on Canada alcohol and tobacco pay for their free healthcare and that's why they banned ecigs. Did they ever stop to think of the health care they could save by allowing ecigs ? You get a bunch of people sitting in an office that don't know what they're regulating they just see the profit margin. You think the government really tests ecigs. They probably think it's a tobacco cigarette that has a lighter strapped to the end of it.
Activating those visa cards isn't as easy as you think. It is much like opening a checking account, over the phone. You have to give out a lot of information, like SS#, address, phone number, etc. I'm not sure someone under 18 could successfully activate one - but I could be wrong. As a walmart cashier, I also bet that you have to be 18 just to purchase one. (though that is one of the few items I have not yet sold). Cashiers are prompted to check IDs for so many items other than just tobacco, alcohol, and firearms, including: ammunition, inhalants, cold medications, and mature rated CDs, DVDs, and video games. If it isn't legal for an underage person to purchase one, I guarantee the cashier is prompted to check the ID - whether or not they actually do is another story.
I have actually activated one of those things, when my mother and law sent us some money on one of them, rather than a regular walmart gift card. Took about 25 minutes on the phone, and the phone system actually pulled up a lot of information on its own, in addition to what I was required to supply in order to get it activated, and there were pauses while the information, such as my SS# was verified. Like I said, any information you'd be required to give to open a checking account is required to activate one of those cards.
Yes, of course banning flavored and menthol cigarettes, and ecigs will prevent minors from being interested in tobacco. I mean, look at how well it worked 50 or 75 or 100 years ago. Back in the good ol' days of tobacco only flavored analogs, kids were never interested in them, and never got hooked. If you take the picture of the cartoon dromedary off the pack, and remove the minty menthol flavor, no child will ever want to smoke a cigarette. Likewise, ecigs are fun electronic devices, kinda like video games, and therefore will never be uninteresting to children - therefore they have to be banned.
Maybe things are different here in TX. I have bought Visa gift cards and given them to nieces and nephews. Nothing was every asked of me at the time of purchase, and they had no problem walking into any store and using them same as cash.
My daughter (14yr) has walked into a walmart with cash in hand, and bought her friend a Visa gift card for a birthday gift.
Also to note- I regularly receive a "rebates" from my electricity company in the form of a Visa gift card. And many stores "mail in rebates" send you a Visa gift card in the amount of the rebate. Visa gift cards a very common here.
In person, in a store, they work. But just try using one to buy online - they fail in the confirmation stage, without the bank issuer having name, address phone number on file.
Wrong- I have used gift cards (that were given to me as gifts for Xmas) to buy juice online. These cards work just as easily online as they do in the store.
Hmmm, I must have been thinking about the anonymous type cards. I assume you must have had to at least activate it with the issuer, with your name, address, phone number, etc. prior to use?
no. They are pre-paid gift cards. You just walk in a store and purchase them. You purchase any amount from $25 up, you have to pay cash for them, and then they just swipe it at the register to with the amount. It simple terms, you are just loading your cash on to a card. The card will be kicked back if someone attempts to purchase more than what is loaded on to the card. There is no verification of the "owner"- if you lose the card, you lose the money.
I think different rules apply with different cards. You are correct, no information is asked when the cards are purchased, but it isn't until you try to activate the card that you have to go through the process. As per the patriot act, there are rules on activating some cards, same rules that apply to checking accounts. The ones that bear the Walmart and Visa logos are a pain to activate. I did sell one just yesterday, and handed the receipt with the activation info to the customer, told her not to lose the receipt because the information (32 digit number) is needed to activate the card - she didn't look to impressed by that fact.
There are others that don't have the Visa logo, but say debit on them, and they can be used as a debit card - but not as a credit card, as well as some with the visa logo that are debit only. I process so many different versions of those things I can't even keep track of them. The worst are the verizon rebate debit cards, I can't run them unless the customer knows the exact amount left on the card for me to key in. Maybe those other cards are easier to activate, I'm not sure.
The only one I've ever had to activate personally, as the user of the card, was one of the Walmart/Visa ones. The card in the packet was a temporary card, activated once I phoned in my SS#, telephone, name, address, etc. Then an actual Visa card with my name on it was sent to me in the mail. It was literally like opening a checking account without the checks. We depleted the funds using the temp. card and have never put more money into the account.
Those cards are a pain in the --- to deal with as a cashier. Sometimes they customer swipes them and they work fine, other times they have to be run multiple times, as "shopping" card, debit, credit etc. to get them to work. Not like the debit/credit cards issued by banks which have far fewer problems.
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