Nobody said anything about being against smokers - least of all me. I was just commenting on how I was complaining about the stink and taste - from smoking one myself...
A thought on "Analogs."
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Nobody said anything about being against smokers - least of all me. I was just commenting on how I was complaining about the stink and taste - from smoking one myself...
lol that was funny... thanks.. good point *2 thumbs up* .... I totally agree with that, seriously thanks for the laugh
Right! As I was a smoker - and still smoke (vapor). I haven't quit. I've just opted for a more responsible alternative. Obviously the term cigarettes have negative connotations. My suggestion is that, for those who are 100% sold on e-cigs, we steer clear of the association of big tobacco.
Social rights? The social rights of tobacco smokers are gone. Face it.
It's over.
I'm not going to tell a smoker that he/she shouldn't smoke big tobacco...
I prefer to suggest that he/she smokes vaporizers.
There's a positive message in that.
But, you know, there's an argument in everyone... just ask.
In response to the OP, I have had a long running habit of using acoustic for any non-powered device i.e. electric razor v. acoustic razor, acoustic mowers... and I will throw that around for the PV too. My guess is it wouldn't catch on with the purists though. I know it drives my wife crazy.
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Well you are a dogmatist, willing to hurt others. I am not.
End of story.
C.
I find the hardest people to deal with in the world are reformers who want to enlighten others about their path to more appropriate behavior. Analogue is a warm and fuzzy word that developed in this forum over time as a function of lots of imput and the genius of marketing a similar behavior as a smoking alternative.
How strange that someone so pro-choice for e-smoking is not pro-choice for other individual endeavors. I personally detest the saggy pants trend where undies are displayed...but I will not side with a ban to remove that individual choice. I don't agree with censorship as a rule but I respect the mandates of this forum. Choice covers a multitude of behaviors and care should be exercised where you tread...you may be treading on me.
How strange that someone so pro-choice for e-smoking is not pro-choice for other individual endeavors. I personally detest the saggy pants trend where undies are displayed...but I will not side with a ban to remove that individual choice. I don't agree with censorship as a rule but I respect the mandates of this forum. Choice covers a multitude of behaviors and care should be exercised where you tread...you may be treading on me.
Amazing! Well, we are creatures of habit. haha
I like the "Smoking Everywhere" filters with vitamin B in them. You mean I can smoke and it's better for me than if I didn't?!!
Wow. That's a habit I'll support. hoho
Keep going strong!
We've just swapped one habit for another. Lets not get all preachy about it. I know we smell better and feel better but a nicotine habit doesn't just burst out on you so chill a little, mhmmm? Personal vaporisers don't make us all paragons of virtue overnight.
I find the hardest people to deal with in the world are reformers who want to enlighten others about their path to more appropriate behavior. Analogue is a warm and fuzzy word that developed in this forum over time as a function of lots of imput and the genius of marketing a similar behavior as a smoking alternative.
How strange that someone so pro-choice for e-smoking is not pro-choice for other individual endeavors. I personally detest the saggy pants trend where undies are displayed...but I will not side with a ban to remove that individual choice. I don't agree with censorship as a rule but I respect the mandates of this forum. Choice covers a multitude of behaviors and care should be exercised where you tread...you may be treading on me.
Interesting. "Analogue" being "warm and fuzzy."
Sounds like a good deal. Why would I want to smoke something cold and sterile when I can have something "warm & fuzzy?"
Thanks for supporting my point. I'm surprised that so many people have counters on their posts "smoke free for 8 weeks"... and are so quick to defend the monster that they've so proudly subdued.
But, I don't believe that the general consensus is that smoking cigarettes is a fine idea and we shouldn't be so quick to judge. Hence: the counters.
Why is the government so involved in our business? Inability to make decisions... obviously. You can't condemn the thing and defend the thing.
I mean, you can, it's just nonsense though. Draw the line.
I'm not attempting to "tread." I'm just raising a point.
Why shouldn't a seven year old child smoke big tobacco?
Can you give me a good reason? Or do you think that's alright?
Preachy? Whoops, sorry.
It's just that... this is the first time in 15 years that I've successfully, happily quit smoking and am very pleased with a brilliant invention.
Is that preachy? I'm not interested in the support of tobacco smokers rights.
Nor am I ( or should say, was I) under the impression that the people on the "e-cigarette-forum" would be so quick to defend the thing that they were attempting to rid themselves of.
This is the e-cigarette forum, right?
Ok. I'm PRO e-cigarettes and would like to see them made available at my local petrol station. I would not like it if they were banned.
Can you get with this?
There's been a global ban on tobacco smoke. The price of cigarettes per pack are $9.00+ in NYC. You can't even smoke em when you got em.
A great way to vent all of the "social rights of the people" frustration would be to get the e-cig approved and in the local shops. Part of that is going to be distancing the e-cig product from the tobacco product so the general public keeps an open mind.
So, maybe this conversation has raised other issues.
Sorry if I hit a nerve.
If you've found something worth preaching about - preach!
I could preach about The Beatles as well. Anybody care to hear that one?
haha - really though, not trying to be mean. Just defending my post.
Ulysses, I have to agree with lady in that you are coming across as a bit .. idk.. insane? Probably not the best word in the world to use but honestly it's the first word to pop in to my mind. I personally can't stand the idea of being so extreme to the point you seem to want. The term analog was never intended to be anything other than a simple word that people could use in the beginning to differentiate the difference between cigarettes and electronic cigarettes. You're making it out to be this whole big thing that it really isn't.
I believe that every person should have the right to choose anything as long as they aren't hurting anyone else. Period. That includes all extremes and everyting inbetween but I believe we should keep our choices to ourselves. That means you shouldn;t go preaching to someone else because you are now "reformed" or because you were a "lost sinner" and have now "found god" it's all the same. When you were an avid smoker you hated those non-smoking freaks that tried to push their opnion on you didn't you? Personally people telling me not to smoke and jumping all over me and trash talking it just made me want to smoke all the more.
If you want to promote E-cigs as better than analogs and "convert the world" why not try a better tactic - let them see how happy you are with what you have? Why is passive persuasion so difficult? Trash talking and being all agressive towards analogs just makes a smoker want to hold on tighter, better to let them see your new toy and then they want one of their own. I don;t care if your 1 or 100 if you see a spiffy new toy someone else has, YOU WANT IT.. or at least consider the possibility of having one of your own.
Being all super agressive the way you are coming across is just going to give Vapers the same bad name as non smokers have always had to other smokers, lets try not to alienate the world shall we? I'd say a more preferable idea to consider would be to befriend the world. The way I see it, we're halfway in between we "smoke" so we can associate with the smokers... and we quit smoking and are now (to varying extents) repulsed by analog smoke and therefor can associate with the non smokers.
I say we all take the hippy way out... make love not war!!
Amen brother!
Seriously, I don't see anyone preaching. Cause if they were, I'd be passing the offering basket. No cash, just juice and atomizers. Give 'til it hurts brothers and sisters. The Enlightened Church of the Glorious Mist needs your donations!
Hmm, gets me thinking about "freedom of religion" vs FDA, but that's for another thread...
Totally agree, these PVs, imo, should not have a cigarette reference/name to them at all.
And, we don't "smoke"; we vape!
As for analog, I'm not partial to any name for them. Call them tar, carcinogen and chemical sticks or tccs for short.
Of course I may be speaking too soon (my first e-cig is still in the mail), but to me smoking has always been something I've chosen to do. I will admit, I love smoking. I find it relaxing, a way to deal with stress and anxiety, etc. etc. I DO NOT like the way it smells, affects my health, and how it makes non-smokers around me feel.
E-cigarettes seem to be a steady compromise. Sure, you are probably still addicted to nicotine, which is certainly not good for you, but for the first time it has given smokers a chance to stop feeling like bad people. I've quit smoking before, and long after the nicotine had left my body, I've missed holding the cigarette in my hand, taking a drag...
I plan on eventually cutting out the nicotine content completely. It's the "act" of smoking that I enjoy, and if I can do that without the tar, chemicals, and carcinogens, than hells yeah!! Bye bye analogues!!!
E-cigarettes seem to be a steady compromise. Sure, you are probably still addicted to nicotine, which is certainly not good for you, but for the first time it has given smokers a chance to stop feeling like bad people. I've quit smoking before, and long after the nicotine had left my body, I've missed holding the cigarette in my hand, taking a drag...
I plan on eventually cutting out the nicotine content completely. It's the "act" of smoking that I enjoy, and if I can do that without the tar, chemicals, and carcinogens, than hells yeah!! Bye bye analogues!!!
Personally I never felt like a bad person because I made the bad decision to start smoking. I have been willing to take responcibility for my actions and the resulting cancer (which is currently in remission). I also know that some of the worst of the anti-smokers are ex-smokers but I feel that just because I have found a better alternative that works for me other people still have the freedom to make their own choice. I don't like it when other people try to force their views on me so I will never do that to someone else. That being said I will try to inform people to the alternative that I have found but in the end it is a matter of freedom to choose
I think the e-cig movement is too new for most people to know it's even an option. Informing and encouraging analogue smokers to try e-cigs can be done in a way that is not condescending. We aren't any better than them for switching to vapor just like non-smokers aren't any better than us for not smoking.
In the end though, I think the e-cig community needs to be very vocal and clear that in the end vaping is NOT smoking. I think most non-smokers who hear about vaping still have the same negatives views they have towards cigarettes. Not that smoking is bad, but we need to remove ourselves from it as much as possible (and hire great PR person).
In the end though, I think the e-cig community needs to be very vocal and clear that in the end vaping is NOT smoking. I think most non-smokers who hear about vaping still have the same negatives views they have towards cigarettes. Not that smoking is bad, but we need to remove ourselves from it as much as possible (and hire great PR person).
I find the hardest people to deal with in the world are reformers who want to enlighten others about their path to more appropriate behavior. Analogue is a warm and fuzzy word that developed in this forum over time as a function of lots of imput and the genius of marketing a similar behavior as a smoking alternative.
How strange that someone so pro-choice for e-smoking is not pro-choice for other individual endeavors. I personally detest the saggy pants trend where undies are displayed...but I will not side with a ban to remove that individual choice. I don't agree with censorship as a rule but I respect the mandates of this forum. Choice covers a multitude of behaviors and care should be exercised where you tread...you may be treading on me.
You said it very well. I will add that I would never want to associate with anyone who sides with the anti smoking movement and all the crap they represent. I would, in fact, stop vaping and resume smoking full time if I thought that I was becoming one of them. You decided to start smoking. No one forced you to do that. You could always quit, even though it would be hard. Millions of people have done so. Turn your back on the smokers with self-righteous indignation and you turn your back on the freedom to choose to do what you want without the little bast##ards that attempt to rule us all. You are treading on a fine line here.
To me they are P.V.'s and Cigarettes are Analogs, cancer is a disease not a name for a cigarette.
I am not going to put smokers in the Evil Empire zone because I now vape. What am I supposed to do..divorce my husband? Throw out my mother? They both smoke.
Smoking was my choice, quitting is my choice, I am only responsible for me..it's a full time job. I don't have time to be in charge of everyone else.
I am not going to put smokers in the Evil Empire zone because I now vape. What am I supposed to do..divorce my husband? Throw out my mother? They both smoke.
Smoking was my choice, quitting is my choice, I am only responsible for me..it's a full time job. I don't have time to be in charge of everyone else.
I completely agree... we do live in a free country after all (a free world to smokers in most countries ).
).You guys... look... it's not about the "smoker" it's about the smoke.
Freedom of choice, the right to kill yourself, freedom of speech, the right to call me a communist because I obviously don't believe in these freedoms... please!
You're missing the point!
Smokers smoke.
It's their choice.
Fine.
Did the smoker manufacture the product?
No.
What's in it? You don't know. Smokers don't know. Apparently it causes cancer.
So, why smoke it? Because we like the feeling and enjoy the ritual. But it makes us sick. Do we like getting sick too? I've never heard of a smoker who likes getting sick.
This whole yer not the boss of me reaction to my post is, frankly, startling.
Hey, guys and gals, like I said: I'm just making a few observations.
Nobody over the age of 30, with a conscience, smokes tobacco without a plan to eventually quit. Why quit if it's such a great decision? Because we don't want to get cancer!!
Somebody actually said that they'd quit vapors and revive their tobacco habit if they thought that vapor people were anti-tobacco. What???
Interesting. The ENTIRE world is against tobacco. You can't smoke anywhere.
The arguments over the freedoms of a tobacco smoker are all futile.
This just in: the tobacco smoker lost. Time to pack it in.
Hey, I hear ya...
I was pis*ed off about it. Like I've said: I was a 15 year, pack and a half smoker.
But there's a real alternative to tobacco smoke called the e-cigarette.
This thing may break loose if the general public doesn't view it as any sort of threat.
Supporting tobacco smoking won't help the e-cigarette... just like buying an Escalade won't help the electric car.
I don't know. Pick your battles wisely.
Freedom of choice, the right to kill yourself, freedom of speech, the right to call me a communist because I obviously don't believe in these freedoms... please!
You're missing the point!
Smokers smoke.
It's their choice.
Fine.
Did the smoker manufacture the product?
No.
What's in it? You don't know. Smokers don't know. Apparently it causes cancer.
So, why smoke it? Because we like the feeling and enjoy the ritual. But it makes us sick. Do we like getting sick too? I've never heard of a smoker who likes getting sick.
This whole yer not the boss of me reaction to my post is, frankly, startling.
Hey, guys and gals, like I said: I'm just making a few observations.
Nobody over the age of 30, with a conscience, smokes tobacco without a plan to eventually quit. Why quit if it's such a great decision? Because we don't want to get cancer!!
Somebody actually said that they'd quit vapors and revive their tobacco habit if they thought that vapor people were anti-tobacco. What???
Interesting. The ENTIRE world is against tobacco. You can't smoke anywhere.
The arguments over the freedoms of a tobacco smoker are all futile.
This just in: the tobacco smoker lost. Time to pack it in.
Hey, I hear ya...
I was pis*ed off about it. Like I've said: I was a 15 year, pack and a half smoker.
But there's a real alternative to tobacco smoke called the e-cigarette.
This thing may break loose if the general public doesn't view it as any sort of threat.
Supporting tobacco smoking won't help the e-cigarette... just like buying an Escalade won't help the electric car.
I don't know. Pick your battles wisely.
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