A word of warning to those that think we should only vape where smoking is allowed...

[Berylanna]

(You do realize that there are people who will dump 100mg nicotine down the toilet.....into the wastewater system, right? (I can't iimagine doing this on a septic system eeks.) These are things that concern me greatly since wastewater is piped to a central sewage plant, then discharged into area rivers, lakes and streams. Most municipal systems rely on bacteria or other organisms to decompose the waste, and some pass through the system unchanged and thus pollute the water downstream. )

Per CASAA nicotine is only slightly more toxic than caffeine. In the amounts in normal e-juice, that is probably about like dumping coffee grounds, or unused ground coffee. (And, yes, it is possible to get a fatal caffeine overdose, it's just freakin' difficult if you start with beans....)

Or composting cuttings from an ornamental nicotiana plant. And unlike heavy metals, it is an organic compound that probably breaks down, though if someone knows better please correct me.

It is true that we are supposed to take our used pesticide cans to the toxics recycling center rather than throw them in the trash, but I bet no more than about 40% of households do that, which means if you pour a 10 ml bottle of e-juice into the sewer system, you've maybe done about .1% of the harm as someone down the block probably did last week, and someone else will do next week, and if you put it into the trash (wrapped, like we are supposed to wrap flea collars and empty flea-treatment capsules) it is probably about .001%.

And a study of EXHALED vapor shows no nicotine effects on experimental subjects that were locked in a room with vapers for hours.

 

[budynbuick]

You know what this is. It's folks that can't control much and they have focused on something they think they can. I recognize it in myself sometimes. Like with pollution, waste etc. So you jump on some thing. Tobacco is an easy target. I think it has gotten to the point of ridiculous. Happens in politics, Condo's, home owners associations. Use to live in San Antonio and there was a huge effort for water regulation partially to save an endangered fish that was not even native to the area. People want to control something. So you get stuff like this. Ridiculous when viewed by others. The World is full of Control freaks. Maybe we all are.

So true. We tend to cry when our 'pet' freedom is messed with, but remain silent when someone else has their freedoms trampled.
Keith

 

[budynbuick]

Ignorance, misinformation and negative perceptions are the only things I can think of that would get vaping banned.

You left one out. Special interests.
Keith

 

[budynbuick]

I don't see what this has to do with the discussion. Wanting to ban vaping in public for fear of some litterbug dumping nicotine is not much different than wanting to ban alcohol for fear of some idiot driving drunk.

LOL True. We could ban paper when someone litters. Besides, I let my dog smell a bottle & he sneezed & took off! He certainly wasn't gonna eat it.
Keith

 

[Hello World]

vsummer1: I am not using a tobacco product, that is why it confuses me so much as to why people want to refer to them as e-cigs. I use a personal vaporizer, so would argue that mine would be legal to use. I would probably lose the argument, but I would sure present it if someone told me no e-cigs. It looks nothing LIKE those e-cigs!

Vaping non-nicotine juice cannot possibly fall under any smoking regulation anymore than a steaming hot cup of tea.

Further, it's not illegal or against any ordinances to have in your possession any nicotine vaping device as long as it's not being vaped in such places.

Legal Solution: Take 2 identical PVs w/ carts, one filled with nic juice, the other without kept in one hand at same time and vape away. If charged, it would be up to them to prove in court which device was being vaped. Let whoever wants to charge you know you have one for public properties (non-nic) and one for private unrestricted use (nic).

This is merely an avenue for those who need to vape in areas they are restricted to and furnish a legal case if it ever came down to that.

Thucydides: Just to brainstorm, the term "mist" strikes me as much less sinister-sounding than "vapor."

Agreed.

Some non-English languages refer to them as "Steamers", as "Mist" or "Vapor" could conotate spray-emission too.

Not all that much difference between a non-nic menthol VP and a Vicks eucalyptus steam inhaler. And eucalyptus (PG & Water mixture) can be vaped too, making it pretty much the same deal.
http://www.pricegrabber.com/vicks+personal+steam+inhaler/products.html

 

[EddardinWinter]

Did you see the list of bans I listed earlier in this thread?
I can promise you that none of them were the result of vapers without manners.

Submission will be seen as weakness by our enemies. They will not be satisfied with half measures, they will begin to achieve the total ban they desire with "reasonable restrictions". We have to assert our rights, not ask for them. The AG in Virginia, Ken Cuccinelli, has been good enough to clarify that vaping is not smoking, and therefore smoking bans do not apply to vaping.

This does not mean vape anywhere all the time. I do not do it in a crowded public area or place where it makes no sense. If I am asked politely not to vape because it bothers someone, I always stop if I am not in my own personal space. Let me assure you, however, I vape outside all the time pretty much as I please. I vape in my car. I vape in my office at work. If someone has an issue with it, they don't need to come into my office or ride in my vehicle.

We do not need anyone's permission to vape. Asking permission gives the responder the authority to say no. Just my thoughts.

 

[candimccann]

Here is your future: No ifs, ands or butts

What gets me is how they can lump together "all tobacco" and include ecigs but not nic patches or gums. It's also possible to use zero nic in your ecig... then what? Or how an employer can have a nicotine free workplace and test you for nicotine use when there are non-carcinogenic delivery systems for nicotine such as ecigs, patches, and gums. These same employers aren't running alcohol use tests on their employees. *grumble*

 

[Racehorse]

It is true that we are supposed to take our used pesticide cans to the toxics recycling center rather than throw them in the trash, but I bet no more than about 40% of households do that, which means if you pour a 10 ml bottle of e-juice into the sewer system, you've maybe done about .1% of the harm as someone down the block probably did last week, and someone else will do next week, and if you put it into the trash (wrapped, like we are supposed to wrap flea collars and empty flea-treatment capsules) it is probably about .001%.

Different story from U.S. Geological Survey scientists, and published studies about what they find in rivers and streams that aren't filtered out by the waste treatment plants....ditto prescription drugs, because water filtration plants weren't designed to filter these things out at the rate people are dumping them. It is it going into rivers like the columbia river, but there are also minute amounts of stuff like tylenol and prescription drugs showing up in tap water.

Who cares if only 40% of households are doing the right thing? That's akin to saying most people are selfish and irresponsible, so I should be too.

Yes--- I turn in my outdated prescription medicines, paint thinners, etc. to hazmat and DEA once a year because there are enough studies showing that we shouldn't be putting all this stuff down the toilet...there are scientists taking samples, and plenty of research on what is showing up, and because I have a choice. There are many unprecedented health hazards coming to light that were previously neglected.

If your argument about organic compounds breaking down were true, we wouldn't have human waste contamination in recreational waters or outbreaks of food-borne pathogenic disease in farm fields!

Therefore, as a vaporer, I will urge people to consciencious practices. The most immediate, cost-effective way to keep pollutants out of the water is to change consumer behavior.

 

[mrfixit]

Okay am I reading this right? We start out with a warning about all the efforts being out forth to restrict or flat out ban vapping and now water quality and environmental impact creeps in. First of all the post about some poor animal finding a puddle of e liquid that some what words did I just read oh holier than tho vaper just poured out on the ground and would lap it up made laugh so hard I about fell out of my chair. I can't speak for everyone but I personally try to vaporize every last drop juice I have. To even think that we vappers are in sufficient numbers to impact the environment is a stretch and way off topic. If you think that FDA is concerned about our environment think again. They may throw a few words to that affect around but it's just fluff. By all means we Vapers need to be heard so send your letters and comments make up petitions in your local community even. We need to keep this in the public eye as much as we can. We need the manufacturers and vendors asking/paying for studies to show the positive benefits of vapping. This whole scam is about money folks make no mistake about it. They are no more concerned for your health and safety than the man on the moon. The FDA consistently approves drugs that do us more harm than good they receive a po arge part of their funding from big pharmaceuticals follow the money and you'll find the truth. Let's not hide our vapping but let's not he in your face about either,there's enough of that silliness going on in our lives. Besides it's extremely tacky and rude. So I say do what you can to help the cause and educate people about vapping when the opportunity presents itself.

 

[Hello World]

This whole scam is about money folks make no mistake about it. They are no more concerned for your health and safety than the man on the moon. The FDA consistently approves drugs that do us more harm than good they receive a po arge part of their funding from big pharmaceuticals follow the money and you'll find the truth.

Well put !!!

 

[budynbuick]

I know a person that gets ill at the smell of 'juicy fruit'. Better hide that juicy fruit. They are coming for it. When I still smoked I would not go in 'smokers only' areas as they all look like they have the mark of Cain on them.
Keith

 

[iBored]

I was out at a cafe with my friend vaping and the manager was fine with it. Haha.

 

[DC2]

Here you go...
Petaluma council toughens smoking restrictions

The Petaluma City Council unanimously voted Monday to broaden citywide restrictions on smoking to include private living spaces, medical ......... and electronic cigarettes.

Most restrictions will take effect in a month in public places, such as bus stops, outdoor dining areas, city parking lots and commercial sidewalks.

The restrictions covering private living quarters will be phased in. In existing apartments, duplexes and condos -- any housing with at least one shared wall -- smoking will be prohibited beginning Dec. 16 to allow for leases to expire and to be changed. New multi-family housing units must be smoke-free by July 16.

 

[Salt&PePPer]

Ok first things first, we need to as a community "Coin" a new term for Electronic Cigarettes that does not include the word Cigarette.

I like how the powers that be just lump the eCigs in there like congress slapping something totally unrelated to the back of a new bill or law; most times without the public knowing about it.

OK i haven't read this thread since I posted my last post so I don't know if there are any good names for eCigs.

I was just checking out a Wholesale website and they classified the eCigs as "Smokeless Inhalers"!

I thought how brilliant is that?

It's an Inhaler BUT IT IS SMOKELESS! Not Yelling but that Nullifies anyone's argument that can associate eCigs with actual burning tobacco.

 

[wmacy1028]

Its the government telling us what is best for us again. No i am not anti government i am anti we know what is best for you and will make laws based around that. so buckle up and put out that cig...

 

[fwellers]

Man do I wish I were rich just so I can sue that town all the way to SCOTUS if necessary. What they ate getting away with is wrong wrong wrong!!

 

[budynbuick]

Man do I wish I were rich just so I can sue that town all the way to SCOTUS if necessary. What they ate getting away with is wrong wrong wrong!!

When people do not understand the role/boundaries of their gov, the gov gets to define their role & set the boundaries by which the gov is restrained. The proverbial fox guarding the hen house. The American ignorance in politics & finance is leading to it"s demise

 

[fwellers]

When people do not understand the role/boundaries of their gov, the gov gets to define their role & set the boundaries by which the gov is restrained. The proverbial fox guarding the hen house. The American ignorance in politics & finance is leading to it"s demise

Scary but true.