About to pull the trigger on a Reo Mini...but..

[rc10mike]

Noob here, had my Volt for only a month now but quickly realized its downsides, so I went searching. I wanted something that would last a whole day, if not more. Something that didnt need refilling all the time. Something that doesnt need anything other than juice/charging with some* maintenance. (EDIT: Volt 78mm do last me a day, but sick of the carts..)

I am all about convenience, I wont be able to kick analogs completely if its not. I dont care about the price of initial investment, but I do care about upkeep.

Now, a little about me. I dont need to chain vape all day. I am just a pack a day smoker. My hits on my Volt are rarely longer than a few seconds, (unless Im drunk, then I chain vape..lol)

This led me to the Rio Mini...whole bottle of juice, big batt = less refilling/charging. Next question was the atomizer/cart issue. I just read a thread about the HH 357...and now Im intrigued....

Rio Mini + HH 357 = exactly what Im looking for? Or does it? Again, noob here! Thoughts?

(EDIT 2: Rio Grand seems too big for me for everyday use..)

 

[Mudflap]

I'd say you should start with a Reo Mini and at least four AW IMR 14500 batteries. Get a plastic battery case to carry them in your pocket, because you will swap for fresh batteries 2 or 3 times before you go through the 3 mLs in the bottle. The HH .357 attys are great, but I'd suggest you start with some $4 - $6 low resistance 510 atomizers to start.

Once you get the hang of bottom feeding an atomizer, you should definitely try an HH .357.

 

[madsen6466]

I made the jump from egos->silver bullet -> a mini with 357. Now I'm grand shopping. I did start with a Cisco 306 and an aero 510 before goin 357. Definitely try to manage a couple cheaper attys before goin 357! However I must say it only took a few days to learn. Best vapevestment ever

 

[rc10mike]

Just realized I spelled Reo wrong, now I feel like an idiot noob lulz

 

[Rhapsodies Fire]

Hi rc10mike Welcome!
I agree with mudflap...especially if you're new to atomizers....don't get the 357 yet until you feel comfortable with this new (for you) vaping style. It's common for new vapers to burn through a few atomizers as they learn and it would be a shame to burn through a $20+ atty from user error. I loved mine...it lasted me for about 3 months. I just started using another one today on my VV Woodvil and hope it lasts me as long as the last one. This atomizer also has a learning curve to it. In my opinion, its best to take on one learning curve at a time.
Most folks find the Grand to be much smaller than they thought. Imagine...its as tall and wide as a business card. And about 1" deep. But the Mini is about as tall as a bic lighter and about as wide as two bic lighters.

The Grand

The Mini

 

[rc10mike]

Yeah, I actually agree. I would probably try some cheap attys first just to get the hang of it.

One idea I plan on trying is ultra high capacity batteries. If anyone is into RC as a hobby, li-po batteries come in 1C aka 3.7v. They make them all the way up to 6500mah. My only concern is if the low voltage cutoff if accurate enough to protect said li-po batteries.

 

[rc10mike]

Hi rc10mike Welcome!
I agree with mudflap...especially if you're new to atomizers....don't get the 357 yet until you feel comfortable with this new (for you) vaping style. It's common for new vapers to burn through a few atomizers as they learn and it would be a shame to burn through a $20+ atty from user error. I loved mine...it lasted me for about 3 months. I just started using another one today on my VV Woodvil and hope it lasts me as long as the last one. This atomizer also has a learning curve to it. In my opinion, its best to take on one learning curve at a time.
Most folks find the Grand to be much smaller than they thought. Imagine...its as tall and wide as a business card. And about 1" deep. But the Mini is about as tall as a bic lighter and about as wide as two bic lighters.

The Grand

The Mini

Wow, thats a great comparison shot.....might go with the Gand now......fuuuuu..doesnt seem too big now..

 

[Mudflap]

Yeah, I actually agree. I would probably try some cheap attys first just to get the hang of it.

One idea I plan on trying is ultra high capacity batteries. If anyone is into RC as a hobby, li-po batteries come in 1C aka 3.7v. They make them all the way up to 6500mah. My only concern is if the low voltage cutoff if accurate enough to protect said li-po batteries.

You'll probably be interested in this product coming to market in a month or so.

 

[Mudflap]

Here's another video that goes into more detail about the fuse.

 

[Rhapsodies Fire]

I'm no battery expert...but I am extremely leery of any claims of a 14500 carrying that kind of mah rating. That is ridiculously high. I only recommend the AW IMRs. It doesn't mean they're the best battery out there...but for this purpose, it handles LR atties the best.

When you say low voltage cutoff...are you talking about the protection circuit on the battery?

 

[Mudflap]

And just to be clear, I'm not pimping other modders, but this fuse. It adds an effective layer of protection to pretty much any mod.

 

[Rhapsodies Fire]

Just realized I spelled Reo wrong, now I feel like an idiot noob lulz

No worries...I fixed it for ya.

 

[NaOH]

Also a noob here, just got my mini today, and I still can't put it down. Wanted to chime in about the atties. I too am very intrigued about the HH-357's, but wasn't prepared to drop 25 bucks on an atty. I started off on 510LR's and have come across some good, bad, and mediocre specimens. I went with Avid's 1.5ohm Cisco specs, and they rock! Reminds me of an awesome batch of East Mall LR's I stumbled upon way back when. Definitely recommend them.

 

[rc10mike]

I'm no battery expert...but I am extremely leery of any claims of a 14500 carrying that kind of mah rating. That is ridiculously high. I only recommend the AW IMRs. It doesn't mean they're the best battery out there...but for this purpose, it handles LR atties the best.

When you say low voltage cutoff...are you talking about the protection circuit on the battery?

Im actually talking about a whole different battery. Heres a link (hopefully works...)
TowerHobbies.com | Search Results

Does the Reo have an actual low voltage cut-off for its regular batteries? Somewhere around 2.5v? If so, ANY high capicity li-po battery will work. (granted, the 6000mah are about the size of the Reo Grand itself...). Im just toying with ideas here, nothing concrete.

No worries...I fixed it for ya.

Thanks!

 

[rc10mike]

Also this booster module could probably work well for other mods:
TowerHobbies.com | 5477 Novak 1S LiPo Booster Module

 

[Mudflap]

The AW IMR 14500 batteries are 4.18 to 4.20 volts fully charged and droop in voltage as they are discharged. Most users are swapping for fresh batteries before they dip much below 3.8 volts and suppliers usually advise not to discharge them below 3.5 volts. Basically, you know when to swap batteries based on the quality of your vape. The Reo Mini and Grand are both 100% mechanical mods with no sort of voltage monitoring/cut off built in, but the spring is designed to collapse in the event of a short circuit, dropping the battery from the firing pin and opening the circuit before the battery can get too hot or worse.

 

[Rhapsodies Fire]

Im actually talking about a whole different battery. Heres a link (hopefully works...)
TowerHobbies.com | Search Results

Does the Reo have an actual low voltage cut-off for its regular batteries? Somewhere around 2.5v? If so, ANY high capicity li-po battery will work. (granted, the 6000mah are about the size of the Reo Grand itself...). Im just toying with ideas here, nothing concrete.



Thanks!

There is no low voltage cut off. How this works is if a battery fails or a short occurs, it overheats. The spring is heat sensitive and collapses when it gets hot. This drops the battery away from the positive battery contact, thus severing the flow of power....preventing damage to the battery, the mod, and you. Now if the battery is too big and compresses the spring too much, there is no room for the battery to move in case of a short or failure. So its very important to make sure that whatever battery you use, leaves room for the spring to do its job.

 

[rc10mike]

Short circuit protection is one thing, but low-voltage cut off is very important with lithium batteries. Lithium batteries by nature (1 cell) are 3.7 nominal and 4.2 when fully charged. Lithium is easily damaged from over discharging below about 3.2 volts.

So far, I can only find a low voltage cut-off module for 2s (7.4v) not 3.7.

If I could find a 3.7v module to incorporate into the Reo, it would be awesome...

 

[mwa102464]

Also this booster module could probably work well for other mods:
TowerHobbies.com | 5477 Novak 1S LiPo Booster Module

The Reo Mini, Grand, Woodvil, has no low voltage cut off,,, it is an all mechanical MOD,, so it has no electronics in it at all rc10mike. The Batteries you posted wont work in the Reo Mini,, nor the booster. The only Size Batts that will work is the 14500, and the AW is the best IMR 14500 Battery on the market for this Mod. If you want circuit protection the man ( Rob ) who makes the Reo line of Mods is coming out with the variable voltage Reo Woodvil next week & & Reo VV Grand soon after,,, both of these Mods have a built in protection in the circuitry, and also will run on 18500 Batts. This may be a better selection for you than the Mini , If you can get your paws on one of them that is. Beginner or not, sounds like you may be ready for this Mod YMMV but I find the VV Woodvil the very Best of the Best of the Reo Line, and sure the Reo VV Grand will be right there if not better. Just my 2c on this by the way your talking and since you know RC stuff and Batts and Electronics, your gonna pay a little more for these, but you already know how that is with RC Toys, you get what you pay for

 

[Mudflap]

Short circuit protection is one thing, but low-voltage cut off is very important with lithium batteries. Lithium batteries by nature (1 cell) are 3.7 nominal and 4.2 when fully charged. Lithium is easily damaged from over discharging below about 3.2 volts.

So far, I can only find a low voltage cut-off module for 2s (7.4v) not 3.7.

If I could find a 3.7v module to incorporate into the Reo, it would be awesome...

You won't need it. The vape becomes very weak and unsatisfying well above 3.2 volts.