Absorption levels of nicotine / a good fda?

[forthwith]

While I feel the FDA sticks it's nose into to many pies, and smells them through its proverbial ---hole, would long term involvement be an eventually positive influence? One thing about vaping that is uncertain from opinion to opinion is the absorption of nicotine through vapor. How much, depending on the atomizer temperature, nic level of juice, amount of vapor produced, amount of vapor held in the lungs for how long, and time spent vaping per session.
Also what kind of ingredients make our venerable flavors, whether or not nut allergies and such can be irritated by vapor containing the same, and I'm sure the list goes on and on. While I have enjoyed my trip through the flavors searching for the perfect juice, I am not allergic to anything I know of, and I have seen and heard of people having all kinds of problems with various juices. I don't think these products are necessarily harmful, but if a flavor contains peanut oil and someone is allergic to nuts, there might be liability issues that a more stringent and universal means of identification and classification could be immensely positive.

 

[GaryS]

I totally agree that there needs to be real scientific studies into absorption and the effects of inhaling copious amounts of PG. Time to get some rats hooked on vaping.

 

[v1John]

If you're allergic to nuts you really should stay away from nut flavors, that's my opinion.
The FDA, big tobacco, and pharma are allergic to ecigs' water vapor.

 

[David Bruno]

The FDA has all the big rats they need. Us. I'm sure that they could get all the test people they need. Clinical trials often provide a wage to those tested. I think they could get the best test subjects here on the forum. I think a $1000.00 gift cert at my favorite supplier would work!

 

[forthwith]

I am not allergic to anything.. But I think a standardized means of content identification would be in the best interests of companies wishing their clients healthier.

 

[forthwith]

And it's not just PG or VG, (these are chemicals with well established safety guidelines) but nicotine effect through vaping. Personally I used to smoke like a pack a day for the last 16 years, and I needed to start at 24mg juice, vaping pretty constant, whereas I know some people who had crazy nic od symptoms vaping half that, who had smoked alot more than me. So I suppose vapor affects lungs of different people in different ways.

Also, there has to be a formula for it. I suck at math (I have an art degree to prove it) but I imagine it would involve factors like Atomizer temperature, inhale time, juice, and other ingredients. Any math wizards out there?

 

[FritzC]

I was actually wondering about the nic absorption rate. I see it said in quite a few places that analogs are superior to any other form in regards to nic absorption.

But it really must be all about style of smoking as opposed to the gear involved. I have only been on the PV method for about two weeks, and analogs just don't do it for me. I think the major thing that hooks people on analogs is the additives. I keep craving the analogs, but when I finally cave and pick one up, I just find myself disappointed (in the effects of the analog, not myself for smoking). The PV (in my case a 510) seems to satisfy all my needs, with the exception of curbing my hunger. I have been starving sense I have quit the analogs.

Obviously nic is addictive, but in my case, I believe I must be craving certain additives in analogs, because I am not having any problems with nic withdrawal, which is a real thing, right?

Maybe not exactly on topic, though I think it is. Either way, there is my $.02

 

[daisyd]

Anyone who has switched from premade analogs (read tobacco soaked for days in chemicals, then made into a paper substance, then chopped up to fill cigs) to additive free rolling tobacco (not top or any of those, they still have additives) like from a smokeshop knows that you are at least partly addicted to the chemicals. Once I got over that switch I ended up smoking a lot less without even trying. It's still hard to quit those, but every time I bum a premade off of someone I end up craving more and more.

 

[ezmoose]

I don't know that the FDA or any other "Public Health" agency is willing or able to do unbiased research given the slew of disinformation they have been propagating regarding E Cigarettes. I'd welcome any independent, unbiased, studies.

 

[Lumiis]

You can bet your .... that the FDA and underlying agencies have done their research, and tests on E-Cigs, they have been in court for over a Year now!

The only reason they have not released any statements or lab results disproving the use or effectiveness of E-Cigs is because they have found none.

Or maybe I'm wrong and paranoid.

 

[Dkrom68]

With all the scientific data reguarding the PG, VG, and Nicotine I feel they are not what really needs to be tested, but still do. If they are going to find anything wrong it is going to be in the flavoring, as there is no data anywhere about the inhalation of them at all. While guidlines need to be set, and long term testing done, I totally agree someone needs to get involved to do detailed studies into the effects of vaping long term.

 

[ezmoose]

With all the scientific data reguarding the PG, VG, and Nicotine I feel they are not what really needs to be tested, but still do. If they are going to find anything wrong it is going to be in the flavoring, as there is no data anywhere about the inhalation of them at all. While guidlines need to be set, and long term testing done, I totally agree someone needs to get involved to do detailed studies into the effects of vaping long term.

For time immemorial, bakers, confectioners, and loving parents have filled the air with the sweet aroma of flavorings as they prepared their sweet offerings to the delight of us all. Granted, this may not be 100% correlation with inhaling flavoring in a mist of vapor concurrent with PG, VG, and/or Nicotine; however, I would be surprised if it were concluded that this particular mode of transport imparts health risks.

I, for one, do not plan on worrying about the risks or depriving myself of the pleasures of flavorings; wherever they may emanate from and/or by whatever means! lol

 

[D103]

You can bet your .... that the FDA and underlying agencies have done their research, and tests on E-Cigs, they have been in court for over a Year now!

The only reason they have not released any statements or lab results disproving the use or effectiveness of E-Cigs is because they have found none.

Or maybe I'm wrong and paranoid.

I believe you are absolutely right Zaija!! I find it very difficult to believe that the FDA has done only the one (pitiful) test to which it constantly refers, along with the alphabet suits. Zaija is correct, in my opinion, there are probably numerous tests showing not only effectiveness and general overall safety of this technology but a distinct lack of harmful/toxic chemicals and/or chemical levels, leading to the conclusion that electronic cigarettes are indeed magnitudes 'safer' than traditional cigarettes - much in keeping with the Health New Zealand study but with one exception -those FDA tests will NEVER see the light of day - Bet on it!! Someone on this forum quite awhile back asked about filing a "freedom of information" claim against the FDA - I wonder if this would be feasible and if it might yield some very interesting and helpful 'test results' - not to mention the looming question as to why pertinent information was being witheld form the Public and the Federal Court, for that matter.

 

[ChuckB]

Maybe they should check out what a university i Canada has found out? Kind of an interesting clip

Daily Planet

In the clip the researcher states that the risks of nicotine are about the same as coffee or recreational driving, but at the end, there's still a statement that e-cigs aren't safe.

 

[Dkrom68]

I agree there has been studies on this issue but its not for the inhalation, it is for the consumption of these products.

For time immemorial, bakers, confectioners, and loving parents have filled the air with the sweet aroma of flavorings as they prepared their sweet offerings to the delight of us all. Granted, this may not be 100% correlation with inhaling flavoring in a mist of vapor concurrent with PG, VG, and/or Nicotine; however, I would be surprised if it were concluded that this particular mode of transport imparts health risks.

I, for one, do not plan on worrying about the risks or depriving myself of the pleasures of flavorings; wherever they may emanate from and/or by whatever means! lol

 

[ezmoose]

Out of curiosity, I took a couple of Candy Factory tours online; in no case was respiratory protection in use. You would think that if "inhaling" concentrated vapors from candy flavorings presented a health risk, that candy makers would be required to wear protection?