AC9 Rebuildable Atomizer Launch Date!!
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Price point not bad, good to have two kit options. Wish it had a smaller air hole so those who want larger could drill and those who like a tight draw would be set. There are ways around that though. Watching rest now...
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It looks good. I'm diggin it. The price is great as compared to it's greek counterparts. 125 for the basic and 139 for the kit. Sepetember 26th 9pm is when it's supposed to be available for purchase.
might have to pick this up...
though question is... what makes it better than the others already out there? I have a ZAttyU, a Zen Standard,an orion, a GTankUS (with mesh)...
price point is a nice change but what makes THIS mod worth me buying one over all the others?
Im not trying to be rude...it's an honest question...
we have:
Cobra
ZAttyU
Hellfire
rba
GTANKUS
Maxi and Mini
DID
etc. etc.
i like the look of the AC9 i just feel i need to be sold on what makes it unique in order to pull the trigger
though question is... what makes it better than the others already out there? I have a ZAttyU, a Zen Standard,an orion, a GTankUS (with mesh)...
price point is a nice change but what makes THIS mod worth me buying one over all the others?
Im not trying to be rude...it's an honest question...
we have:
Cobra
ZAttyU
Hellfire
rba
GTANKUS
Maxi and Mini
DID
etc. etc.
i like the look of the AC9 i just feel i need to be sold on what makes it unique in order to pull the trigger
great question - i feel the same way. We are being flooded by new rebuildables so newcomers to the market would have to stand out from a crowd somehow. Price-wise - it doesn't, its a decent price but if it was under $100 - then that would be it selling point. Granted it does have unique tank system, although to be honest from the pics i thought it would be clear and it looks very foggy unfortunately in the video. Whats is the advantage of this over lets say well established and similarly priced zen's(well msrp price-if u are lucky enough to catch instock)? Now if you guys could ramp up the production of these on mass scale and sell for $80 or under a set - then it would take over e-cig community like a tsunami - make profits on quantity, take the Chinese approach(before they do). Not trying to discourage anyone from buying(will probably pick myself a full kit) just a bit, well disappointed i guess.
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do you ship to the EU ? cause otherwise I aint bothering getting up so damn early 
To me there are some things different about this atomizer compared to the others but not necessarily greatly improved over the others.
It's nice to have another high quality USA made atomizer in the competition with a competitive price tho and I'm certain it will have great success.
I was really hoping for a price of about $80 - $100, I think in this tough rebuildable genesis atomizer market that a sub $100 price for a nice atomizer this style is just about the best improvement that can be made that would make the biggest influence on a purchase.
These are just my opinions. It looks well made and solid and a very worthy option for somebody looking at genesis style attys. Good luck and well done Vapinaze.
It's made by Americans for one. You aren't sending your money over seas and helping out your own country men.
You aren't going to have to wait as long for shipping if you live in the US. I will be shipping from closer to home.
It's unique. Why would you own all other Genesis style atties and not this one? It's not some Chinese knock off. It's not necessarily if it's better or worse. It's different.
The price point is where it should be or on par with the competition. You want that style of atomizer you pay around that price to get one. You want a cheap China knock off? You will most likely have that choice in the future. They HAVE lowered the price point a bit to help encourage sales. They won't be able to lower the price much until after they have re-couped their initial investment of R&D, testing, Machining etc. I'm sure the price will come down a bit in the future but they can't just sell these things for a loss of profit. If they were to do that they might as well be just giving them away.
You want a decently priced American made Genesis Style atty. This is prob for you. You want to collect them all than this would be a great addition to your collection. You want to complain about a price on a similar product to whats currently available and already priced lower than the competition? Contact China I'm sure they could help you out.
You aren't going to have to wait as long for shipping if you live in the US. I will be shipping from closer to home.
It's unique. Why would you own all other Genesis style atties and not this one? It's not some Chinese knock off. It's not necessarily if it's better or worse. It's different.
The price point is where it should be or on par with the competition. You want that style of atomizer you pay around that price to get one. You want a cheap China knock off? You will most likely have that choice in the future. They HAVE lowered the price point a bit to help encourage sales. They won't be able to lower the price much until after they have re-couped their initial investment of R&D, testing, Machining etc. I'm sure the price will come down a bit in the future but they can't just sell these things for a loss of profit. If they were to do that they might as well be just giving them away.
You want a decently priced American made Genesis Style atty. This is prob for you. You want to collect them all than this would be a great addition to your collection. You want to complain about a price on a similar product to whats currently available and already priced lower than the competition? Contact China I'm sure they could help you out.
This post assumes all interested buyers will be American only. This is not the case. There is more to the economy itself than just a singular nation.
Again, this assumes you are an American buyer alone. Heck, you say it yourself in this quote.
In a world where rebuildable atty's are getting cheaper by the day, it needs to do something other than be unique. A product must strive to be better than its predecessor, not merely attempt to live up to its name.
The first part of your post I actually agree with, although you're still coming off fairly rude. Prices on this item will inevitably drop, and if, once they've recouped their initial investment, they can drop it to around $90-$100, then I think this thing will sell like hotcakes. From all the videos, it looks like it performs like a champ through and through.
Again, completely condescending in this part of the post. Yes, the price point will probably be a complaint for many. I've had my heart set on this since I first came across it, and while I think $139 is more than fair, I can see how some people would find it excessive.
And on my own side note; I'm excited for this. I will be alt f5ing the page to assure that I get one from the first batch. This will be my first "genesis" style tank; it seems that it will be the perfect topper for my Provari.
Zen's are all American made... GTankUS I believe is too... Being US made is definitely a selling point...and the price is fine for the competition...but just saying USA USA USA isn't a true "difference" if there are others made in the US too...esepcially when the price is very similar
as someone else said not every buyer is from the US anyways...plus...supporting economies around the world is not bad either...this is world phenomenon and activity so it is inherently better just because it is made in the USA... is it better than Chinese mass produced knockoffs or regular atomisers?? sure... no one is arguing that by any means
i agree it is different...i just want to know why it's specific differences are better than the other offerings...
i am not saying it is BAD or not as good...i just want to know why it is worth me getting instead of others based off of design or performance or anything...
sell em on it...i dont think that is too much to want a company to do...
they have me considering it already so marketing has done its job..but pulling the trigger on buying it OVER others is a real question that a lot of people ask and want to know...it's not rude and i dont think replies to that question should be rude
do i think it will sell? of course... but if i had $150 to spend and i could get ONE rebuildable why should it be this one...
as someone else said not every buyer is from the US anyways...plus...supporting economies around the world is not bad either...this is world phenomenon and activity so it is inherently better just because it is made in the USA... is it better than Chinese mass produced knockoffs or regular atomisers?? sure... no one is arguing that by any means
i agree it is different...i just want to know why it's specific differences are better than the other offerings...
i am not saying it is BAD or not as good...i just want to know why it is worth me getting instead of others based off of design or performance or anything...
sell em on it...i dont think that is too much to want a company to do...
they have me considering it already so marketing has done its job..but pulling the trigger on buying it OVER others is a real question that a lot of people ask and want to know...it's not rude and i dont think replies to that question should be rude
do i think it will sell? of course... but if i had $150 to spend and i could get ONE rebuildable why should it be this one...
@ Catharlex
The post was directed at the Americans that were complaining about the price lol. I realize that people from all over the world will be interested in this atomizer. The point I was trying to make is that not many things are actually made in America any more but as an American it's good to support your countrymen when you can.
Didn't mean to say "I ship" meant to say "It ships". Again, directed towards an American poster. I know if someone on the other side of the world orders one they will have to wait perportionally long to receive thier atty. Same when we (Americans) order an item that is shipped from overseas.
Agreed. Keep in mind though that performance especially as far as vaping goes is extremely subjective. Uniqueness and aesthetics (to me) are jsut as important as performance. It's not like I can take this down to my local performance shop, put it on a dyno, and have a print out sheet of it's performance.
Hard to capture tone of voice in text. If I came off condescending please forgive. Prob could have worded it different.
Again, not meant to be offensive. My point being find an atty of this style, fit, and finish for cheaper. I don't know of one.
MY own side note; I'm excited for this too though I don't have the cash to get it right now =) lol I agree would def look great on top of my Provari.
The post was directed at the Americans that were complaining about the price lol. I realize that people from all over the world will be interested in this atomizer. The point I was trying to make is that not many things are actually made in America any more but as an American it's good to support your countrymen when you can.
Didn't mean to say "I ship" meant to say "It ships". Again, directed towards an American poster. I know if someone on the other side of the world orders one they will have to wait perportionally long to receive thier atty. Same when we (Americans) order an item that is shipped from overseas.
Agreed. Keep in mind though that performance especially as far as vaping goes is extremely subjective. Uniqueness and aesthetics (to me) are jsut as important as performance. It's not like I can take this down to my local performance shop, put it on a dyno, and have a print out sheet of it's performance.
Hard to capture tone of voice in text. If I came off condescending please forgive. Prob could have worded it different.
Again, not meant to be offensive. My point being find an atty of this style, fit, and finish for cheaper. I don't know of one.
MY own side note; I'm excited for this too though I don't have the cash to get it right now =) lol I agree would def look great on top of my Provari.
@ thejager
Those are made in America as far as I know. Though thay are designed differently and look differently. You couldn't easily use parts from one on the other. US made is a selling point, for those of us in the US, that would prefer it. Is it better just because it's made in the US? No, not necessarily.
I'm not opposed to supporting economies around the world. I've stumbled upon some mods made in Italy that I thought were just amazing. Honestly, if I had the money to do so I'd buy one of everything cause the only true judge of performance of one item or the other is extremely subjective.
Without having tried the others and this one side by side, how would one really know which to buy over the other? Performance is subjective, you get peoples opinions from their reviews but how do you know you'll like what someone else likes? My wife and I hardly ever agree on devices. She likes things completely different than I do. So really, aside from taking the plunge and just getting one or the other to try, you have aesthetics, personal preferance on mechanical design, and other people's opinions to base your decision off of.
Those are made in America as far as I know. Though thay are designed differently and look differently. You couldn't easily use parts from one on the other. US made is a selling point, for those of us in the US, that would prefer it. Is it better just because it's made in the US? No, not necessarily.
I'm not opposed to supporting economies around the world. I've stumbled upon some mods made in Italy that I thought were just amazing. Honestly, if I had the money to do so I'd buy one of everything cause the only true judge of performance of one item or the other is extremely subjective.
Without having tried the others and this one side by side, how would one really know which to buy over the other? Performance is subjective, you get peoples opinions from their reviews but how do you know you'll like what someone else likes? My wife and I hardly ever agree on devices. She likes things completely different than I do. So really, aside from taking the plunge and just getting one or the other to try, you have aesthetics, personal preferance on mechanical design, and other people's opinions to base your decision off of.
Anyone notice Provape released the Z-Atty Pro a day before the AC9? Coincidence?
Really?? lol Now I will have to make a choice. I wanted ZAP but couldnt get one now they are both available... lmao
MaxPerilous, I don't take anything you posted right after me personally but yes, some of the wording and direct responses did come off a touch harsh. But hey, no problem with that at all. I completely understand and respect yer position and actually agree with you in almost every way. so 
I will however elaborate some.
Yes, it is USA made. Yes, there are others that are USA made. Yes, the price point on the AC9 is competitively priced.
However, some of the first questions regarding the AC9 were like "...what makes THIS mod worth me buying one over all the others?..."
This is obviously a very hard question to answer as you stated, price, quality, performance, options, visual appeal, build materials, ease of use are all very subjective. Just as subjective as country of manufacture.
Let's take the BliSS vs. AC9 just as an example:
Both made in USA? Yes
Both Stainless steel? Yes
Both have a clear tank? Yes
Readily available? Yes
Both "genesis style"? Yes
Ships to other countries? Yes (I believe I saw that the AC9 would, correct if wrong please)
Now some subjective better/worse stuff:
Appearance: dunno, they both look cool to me. I like some of the parts of each one better that the other.
only the user can decide.
Performance: It's a genesis style atomizer, AC9 looks as if it performs awesome, but so does the bliSS (so does the crappy fake DiD)
only the user can decide
Build quality: AC9 looks like well machined steel, the bliSS is also well machined steel.....better or worse?
only the user can decide
Ease of use: the way the top coil is secured on the AC9 looks difficult to work with compared to the bliSS but not hard either. B/W?
only the user can decide
Tank: they are both clear and hold juice, good amount of juice, don't impact taste. Better or worse?
only the user can decide
Now, if we remove the subjective stuff and the equal stuff what do we have as a quantifiable difference.....price.
AC9: $125
BliSS: $139
Is $125 for the base AC9 an awesome value for this caliber of rebuildable atomizer? Absolutely!!! I'm certain it will take it's place among the best of the best.
Is $139 for the BliSS as good a value or better in certain regards? Sure it is.
Are there some things that make the BliSS $14 more attractive than the AC9? Maybe, but again that is subjective.
I think for those of use who own or have used many of the high end atomizers currently on the market today (USA or not) have a tendency to meticulously scrutinize the "next big player" in the rebuildable atomizer game. But along with that we can appreciate and see the value in them appreciate the price.
For those that are looking for their first(and maybe only) rebuildable or don't care to collect every "big time" atomizer out there, the question of "...what makes THIS mod worth me buying one over all the others?..." is a very valid concern. USA, USA or just being different rather than being truly improved/better might not be enough deciding factors.
I love to buy USA also..(Provari, Puresmoker Legacy, G-Tanks-US, bliSS), my comment about hoping to have seen a better price for a good USA piece was only mentioned because I feel if somebody saw a high quality USA atomizer like this for $100 or less then the answer to "...what makes THIS mod worth me buying one over all the others?..." would be extremely simple....
I hope nobody has taken any of my comments as negative or in any way a persuasion one way or another. The AC9 looks awesome and it looks like Rip and team have hit a home run!!
Have fun guys, see you on the other side.....
I will however elaborate some.
Yes, it is USA made. Yes, there are others that are USA made. Yes, the price point on the AC9 is competitively priced.
However, some of the first questions regarding the AC9 were like "...what makes THIS mod worth me buying one over all the others?..."
This is obviously a very hard question to answer as you stated, price, quality, performance, options, visual appeal, build materials, ease of use are all very subjective. Just as subjective as country of manufacture.
Let's take the BliSS vs. AC9 just as an example:
Both made in USA? Yes
Both Stainless steel? Yes
Both have a clear tank? Yes
Readily available? Yes
Both "genesis style"? Yes
Ships to other countries? Yes (I believe I saw that the AC9 would, correct if wrong please)
Now some subjective better/worse stuff:
Appearance: dunno, they both look cool to me. I like some of the parts of each one better that the other.
only the user can decide.
Performance: It's a genesis style atomizer, AC9 looks as if it performs awesome, but so does the bliSS (so does the crappy fake DiD)
only the user can decide
Build quality: AC9 looks like well machined steel, the bliSS is also well machined steel.....better or worse?
only the user can decide
Ease of use: the way the top coil is secured on the AC9 looks difficult to work with compared to the bliSS but not hard either. B/W?
only the user can decide
Tank: they are both clear and hold juice, good amount of juice, don't impact taste. Better or worse?
only the user can decide
Now, if we remove the subjective stuff and the equal stuff what do we have as a quantifiable difference.....price.
AC9: $125
BliSS: $139
Is $125 for the base AC9 an awesome value for this caliber of rebuildable atomizer? Absolutely!!! I'm certain it will take it's place among the best of the best.
Is $139 for the BliSS as good a value or better in certain regards? Sure it is.
Are there some things that make the BliSS $14 more attractive than the AC9? Maybe, but again that is subjective.
I think for those of use who own or have used many of the high end atomizers currently on the market today (USA or not) have a tendency to meticulously scrutinize the "next big player" in the rebuildable atomizer game. But along with that we can appreciate and see the value in them appreciate the price.
For those that are looking for their first(and maybe only) rebuildable or don't care to collect every "big time" atomizer out there, the question of "...what makes THIS mod worth me buying one over all the others?..." is a very valid concern. USA, USA or just being different rather than being truly improved/better might not be enough deciding factors.
I love to buy USA also..(Provari, Puresmoker Legacy, G-Tanks-US, bliSS), my comment about hoping to have seen a better price for a good USA piece was only mentioned because I feel if somebody saw a high quality USA atomizer like this for $100 or less then the answer to "...what makes THIS mod worth me buying one over all the others?..." would be extremely simple....
I hope nobody has taken any of my comments as negative or in any way a persuasion one way or another. The AC9 looks awesome and it looks like Rip and team have hit a home run!!
Have fun guys, see you on the other side.....
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Man, totally forgot about the Zen Provape thing. Looks like it's already out of stock tho...
@ spraintz
Well said bud. Basically what I was trying to get at. Glad you took the time to write that all out. You did a much better job than I did. lol
Well said bud. Basically what I was trying to get at. Glad you took the time to write that all out. You did a much better job than I did. lol
I've been waiting for this atty to come out for what seems like forever I will pick one up(if possible) just to try out and if I decide I love it then keep it if not then it'll go to the classified's At a fair price
There are some things that worry me from watching the video but like someone had said before. "Easiest way to know for sure is to just jump in and give it a try." The worst case scenario is I don't like it for this or that reason and then I'll just sell her. That's why I love ECF. There is always someone else who wants to try it because hey, vaping bliss IS subjective
I will pick one up(if possible) just to try out and if I decide I love it then keep it if not then it'll go to the classified's At a fair price There are some things that worry me from watching the video but like someone had said before. "Easiest way to know for sure is to just jump in and give it a try." The worst case scenario is I don't like it for this or that reason and then I'll just sell her. That's why I love ECF. There is always someone else who wants to try it because hey, vaping bliss IS subjective
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