Acrolein production, etc - mitigated with TC?

[TooMuchOrangeTang]

My head's a spinning with all the reading I've done on vaping in the two weeks since I switched from analogs. My local B&M started me with a sub-ohm setup before I knew enough to ask for something simpler.

Upside: No smokes since then.
Downside: so much information to absorb and not a whole lot of safety research. Including some warnings about sub-ohm vaping.

But what research there is, you all - the vaping community - are great about.

As I understand it, one of the -potential- risks of vaping with a sub-ohm unit is the increased likelihood of temperatures high enough to produce Acrolein from VG, or other assorted nasty oxides from the coils, etc.

Assuming (for sake of argument) that this is a risk with sub-ohm coils, would a TC mod set below those temperature thresholds, say at 240C, mitigate those risks with sub-ohm coils?

Am I thinking about this right?

Thanks all

 

[AzPlumber]

Yes, that is the concept of TC, to avoid a "dry hit".

However, even using non TC equipment most folks know when they have taken in the dreaded "dry hit" and only do it once.

 

[TooMuchOrangeTang]

Awesome. Thank you!

(I had thought a "dry hit" was a hit that burned cotton rather than liquid)

 

[AzPlumber]

A dry hit can happen with any type of wick material. It happens when there is not enough liquid and/or air flow to temper the coil's temperature and subsequently burns the liquid.

 

[cobalt327]

CONGRATS on the analog cessation!!!!

There IS a ton of info to sift through. I remember an interview the maker of the DNA 40 did (w/P Busardo IIRC), one of the main points he made was the inherent safety TC brings to vaping by keeping the temp below the threshold where bad things happen.

I'd be interested in hearing what hardware you are using atm.

 

[TooMuchOrangeTang]

Thanks!

Currently using a Fuchai 200 with an Arctic V8 mini, which has suddenly started tasting disgusting. Somewhere between painfully, burningly citrus/pixie-stick sweet and burnt. It's really weird.

Tried a Uwell Crown. Could not get rid of the burning rubber taste (even following that one priming vid every recommends and three full tanks through it).

I mean, I know about vape tongue, but I feel a bit like I'm losing my mind.

For TC, I'm eyeing the Sigelei 213 or a DNA. Not sure which yet - largely because I'm not sure how I feel about LiPO.

 

[Cacique]

Just wanted to jump in and say to check the Sigelei 213 owners thread in the VV/VW section. Not pretty. Obvious question for me but might not be for you, did you change the coil in your arctic v8?

If you want a DNA with 18650s, I'm about to order a VT133 myself. Maxes out at 133 watts but that's more than what many need. Or you can always grab the RX200, 3 18650s for full 200w and cheap, and the DNA version isn't that expensive either. Has a short 510 connection, so some tanks like the TFV4 seems to benefit from a shim.

 

[TooMuchOrangeTang]

Just wanted to jump in and say to check the Sigelei 213 owners thread in the VV/VW section. Not pretty. Obvious question for me but might not be for you, did you change the coil in your arctic v8?

If you want a DNA with 18650s, I'm about to order a VT133 myself. Maxes out at 133 watts but that's more than what many need. Or you can always grab the RX200, 3 18650s for full 200w and cheap, and the DNA version isn't that expensive either. Has a short 510 connection, so some tanks like the TFV4 seems to benefit from a shim.

You read my mind - that thread sent me running in the opposite direction of the 213. Sadly :/

The VT holds promise, and the RX is growing on me, especially as endorsements for both pile up from ECF members

I want to give the DNA75 a little bit more time, see who releases what, and then I'll be taking the dual 18650 plunge.

Currently falling back on a VTC mini - just waiting for my SS coils to get here in the mail to start the TC ball rolling

 

[sawlight]

There's one in every crowd.
Your fishing for things to go wrong with this.
Sub ohming causes formaldehyde-false
Sub ohming causes metal particulate-false
Vapors are going to die from diacytle/popcorn lung-false.
These are all scare tactics that have been used, and all proven false by people trying to shut down vaping. I've been hearing this crap for years. Sorry if I'm being harsh, but it's all been hashed and re-hashed over and over ad nauseam.
Pull the wick, throw it away, burn the crud off the coils, make them happy and glowy again, wash out the tank, re-wick, put in new juice and be happy. Easy.

 

[Cacique]

I've yet to try TC. I got an IPV D2, but couldn't get Ti coils working for me and gave up. It died after about 3-4 months of rarely being used. Won't turn on. I've been looking for something over 100w, close to 150 or more because my daily vape is at around 80 watts (dual SS316L Claptons). I really wanted the RX200, but I got to hold the owner's at my local B&M and it was quite heavy, don't feel I could pocket that especially since I have a Samsung Galaxy Note 4 already strapped to my waistband. I feel that with the VT133, I could go up to 100-110w, my max, with some head room in there, on top of being a DNA200 chip.

I haven't found anything I like better than the VT133 at the moment, that doesn't use Lipos, 3 18650s, or is out of my budget lol. Glad I got my warning in about the Sig 213 in time, I was REALLY looking forward to that mod, had basically decided to get it when the thread explodes with the bad news the next day.

 

[TooMuchOrangeTang]

I've yet to try TC. I got an IPV D2, but couldn't get Ti coils working for me and gave up. It died after about 3-4 months of rarely being used. Won't turn on. I've been looking for something over 100w, close to 150 or more because my daily vape is at around 80 watts (dual SS316L Claptons). I really wanted the RX200, but I got to hold the owner's at my local B&M and it was quite heavy, don't feel I could pocket that especially since I have a Samsung Galaxy Note 4 already strapped to my waistband. I feel that with the VT133, I could go up to 100-110w, my max, with some head room in there, on top of being a DNA200 chip.

I haven't found anything I like better than the VT133 at the moment, that doesn't use Lipos, 3 18650s, or is out of my budget lol. Glad I got my warning in about the Sig 213 in time, I was REALLY looking forward to that mod, had basically decided to get it when the thread explodes with the bad news the next day.

You and me both. Even bought the darn J-Wraps cupholder in anticipation of ordering it.

 

[sawlight]

Sorry OP, off night for me!
I'm running a Theorem with the notch, going on almost two weeks, amped it up to 400deg tonight, been around 370 deg, 35w, on an Istick Pico. Try TC! It's not that great of an improvement over VW/VV, but it's "smoother" somehow? Hard to explain, but I'm really wishing I'd have bought more SS wire with the Lightning vapes sale. I'm also looking for another Pico, just for this feature.
It's hard to define, but once you try it I really think you'll like it.

 

[TooMuchOrangeTang]

Sorry OP, off night for me!
I'm running a Theorem with the notch, going on almost two weeks, amped it up to 400deg tonight, been around 370 deg, 35w, on an Istick Pico. Try TC! It's not that great of an improvement over VW/VV, but it's "smoother" somehow? Hard to explain, but I'm really wishing I'd have bought more SS wire with the Lightning vapes sale. I'm also looking for another Pico, just for this feature.
It's hard to define, but once you try it I really think you'll like it.

All good man. Have you messed about with the VTC Mini enough to compare it to your Pico?

 

[sawlight]

All good man. Have you messed about with the VTC Mini enough to compare it to your Pico?

No, don't have the VTC, can't say I've even seen one in the wild?
The Pico drifts in VW for some reason, not all, but some, seem to just slowly drop power. They are also finicky about power on/off and switching modes. Just little things.
But I've not heard anything bad about the VTC.

 

[TooMuchOrangeTang]

Picked up the mini today...thus the question. Kinda in love with this little thing.

Also - trying to not give in to the gadget-nut in me and just accumulate more mods!

....I give it 72 hours until I cave and get a pico

 

[sawlight]

Picked up the mini today...thus the question. Kinda in love with this little thing.

Also - trying to not give in to the gadget-nut in me and just accumulate more mods!

....I give it 72 hours until I cave and get a pico

I'm looking for another Pico as we speak! Only thing I've liked this much was a Kayfun lite!

 

[TooMuchOrangeTang]

I'm looking for another Pico as we speak! Only thing I've liked this much was a Kayfun lite!

I'm finding myself kinda obsessed with building a really crackin' small setup. The big hangup for me is tank-size - it seems like the way to go is an RDA, but 1) then I have to carry around a bottle, which defeats the "really portable and pocketable" goal for my tastes, and 2) I've been vaping for 20 days: I'm not quite ready to start building stuff. Mostly.

 

[sawlight]

I'm finding myself kinda obsessed with building a really crackin' small setup. The big hangup for me is tank-size - it seems like the way to go is an RDA, but 1) then I have to carry around a bottle, which defeats the "really portable and pocketable" goal for my tastes, and 2) I've been vaping for 20 days: I'm not quite ready to start building stuff. Mostly.

There's ways around that.
The Theorem looks pretty good on it, I'm rocking one now, and works rather well IMO (others disagree) with the notch coils. They aren't that cheap, but fairly easy to change out. Two fatal flaws with it, the O-rings on the bottom are too large and the glass fits on to tight! Way too tight! Lots of reports of broken tank glass, myself included. Then instead of two holes, the cut a slot in the positive post, so you have to hold your tongue right to make sure it's under the grub screw as you tighten it down. Not terrible, but annoying for sure.
The other is the Avocado, I'm hoping to get one soon, doesn't have the glass issue and you don't have to take the glass off to rebuild it! Then you can look at Fasttech and order pre-made coils, just pop them in and clip off the ends. Easy peasy! Taste of a dripper with a 2.5ml tank. Good for 4-6hrs.
Others really like the Milo tank, I haven't tried one, and probably wont, it just seems to airy for my taste. But it's easily replaceable coils and holds 3ml.

 

[sawlight]

Here's a thread on the mini, eVic-VT mini?