Additives to control coughing?

[Nana2B]

After reading the thread below--- the following info in particular ... "GENERALLY, the higher the nicotine, the greater the hit. Nicotine hits the top of the airway passages and causes the muscles there to contract sharply. It's like gasping, or being punched in the chest. If the hit is strong enough, a user involuntarily coughs to expand the muscles."

I was wondering if any research has been done reguarding some additive to e-liquid that would allow vaping without coughing at higher than 0mg Nic. Or if anyone has solved this problem on their own? TY

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/product-feature-design-requests/3204-ph-values-harshness-eliquid.html

 

[atom48]

Wow, you found an oldie thread. While I don't have any information for you, at the time of that thread most of the e-liquid was produced in China and nearly 100% PG. People had just begun talking about VG. Of course, it has now been found that some people have difficulty with PG-based juices, and have since switched to VG. I would assume, besides producing more vapor, that the viscosity of VG also helps to reduce throat harshness. Someone else may have more definitive information on any studies that may have been conducted.

 

[Nana2B]

atom48 ..yes I know it's an old thread. I often search the older ones in hopes of finding some sort of answer. I switched to VG months ago with no difference. If I only take the vapor into my mouth & don't inhale as has been recommeded I don't get any satisfaction from the nic at all....I was hoping someone may have stumbled upon an answer by now. Thanks for answering tho

 

[atom48]

So, am I to understand that you're not inhaling at all? Most of the recommendations I have seen (and as I do myself) advise to draw the vapor into your mouth, then inhale thereafter. Some people smoked by directly inhaling into their lungs, no "mouthful" beforehand. When I first tried vaping (and because of using automatic batteries back then) I tried the direct inhale method and would cough up a lung. I just couldn't get it, because even when I smoked I didn't do direct inhale. To your point, though, I've not seen any posts of anyone coming up with any additives to quell coughing specifically.

 

[Nana2B]

No.. I'm inhaling-- not a direct inhale. I tried not inhaling on recommendation that nic absorbtion through the mucus membranes (mouth & nose) was quicker than lung absorbtion. That didn't work for me.
I've got the actual vaping technique down however any nic higher than 0mg causes caughing.
I think I might be grasping at straws here or at the very least seaching for a unicorn...LOL

 

[atom48]

I gotcha now, nana. But sorry that I don't have any other clues or info to help you.

 

[Nana2B]

Thanx atom I'll just keep bumping this up for a few days to keep it forefront just in case someone has discovered somthing that helped them. I appreciate your interest.

 

[kinabaloo]

The cough is telling you to stop what you're doing.

My advice would be to stop the lung inhale, hold the vapor longer, maybe exhale slowly through the nose - and maybe try a higher nic level.

 

[Scottinboca]

It could be a reaction to PG, you may want to try 100% VG. It also could be the flavor or vendors juices in particular. Try a different vendor or maybe a different flavor.

 

[pwmeek]

Vaping with V4L cartos (I think mostly straight PG, but maybe a small amount of VG in some flavors?) in 24 and 36 nicotine levels. Frequently they cause me to cough. I don't notice a lot of difference (in coughing) between the 24 and 36 cartos.

Currently, I welcome the coughing (three sets of three coughs - progressively stronger) because I am trying to get over a bout of heavy chest congestion (which started BEFORE I started vaping, and has been going on for about 10 weeks now). Coughing is the only way I can clear the crap out of my lungs.

I usually pull three or four mouthfuls, inhaling each before the next mouthful. Then inhale deeply, hold for a bit and exhale. The cough comes on the exhale. Repeat for three batt/carto sets (the cartos get too hot if I don't give them a rest between uses). I go through 4 or 5 cartos a day using this technique.

I used to be a heavy smoker (up to 4 packs of unfiltered a day) but had been using snus for the past two years, but then went back to smoking for a month (hated it - especially the smell on my clothes) before I started vaping on Sep 23, 2011. No smokes or snus since then.

 

[Cokeybill]

I'm starting to get a hack from ant liquid now. Maybe my flavoring is too strong too. I vape 12mg 50/50. Tried both VG only and PG only...same thing.

 

[Stubby]

atom48 ..yes I know it's an old thread. I often search the older ones in hopes of finding some sort of answer. I switched to VG months ago with no difference. If I only take the vapor into my mouth & don't inhale as has been recommeded I don't get any satisfaction from the nic at all....I was hoping someone may have stumbled upon an answer by now. Thanks for answering tho

Not inhaling vapor takes a different technic then lung inhaling. You need to use an e-cig much more like a pipe instead of..... not inhaling a cigarette.

Don't take long draws on the PV. Take shorter draws as it is difficult to manipulate the vapor when trying to take in large amounts of vapor. With a bit of practice you can manipulate the vapor to exhale it through the nose which is a big help in absorption of nicotine. You can also hold it for a bit in the mouth before exhaling.

You can also use a shallow throat inhale to get some throat hit it you want.

It takes some time and practice to get comfortable and efficient with not deeply inhaling into the lungs. Lung inhaling with a PV is just a habit we brought over from cigarette smoking and there is some evidence that it is not necessary.

 

[Nana2B]

Not inhaling vapor takes a different technic then lung inhaling. You need to use an e-cig much more like a pipe instead of..... not inhaling a cigarette.

Don't take long draws on the PV. Take shorter draws as it is difficult to manipulate the vapor when trying to take in large amounts of vapor. With a bit of practice you can manipulate the vapor to exhale it through the nose which is a big help in absorption of nicotine. You can also hold it for a bit in the mouth before exhaling.



You can also use a shallow throat inhale to get some throat hit it you want.

It takes some time and practice to get comfortable and efficient with not deeply inhaling into the lungs. Lung inhaling with a PV is just a habit we brought over from cigarette smoking and there is some evidence that it is not necessary.

Stubby do you also recommend High Nic levels for this technique as Kinabaloo did? If so how high should it be? 8 & 11mg does nothing for me with this technique. The nose exhale is difficult to master for sure

 

[Str8V8ping]

My mom has a coughing problem from vaping as well . No matter what she does she chokes on every pull and is turned off from vaping however she has no problem smoking analogs every 5min .

 

[Stubby]

Stubby do you also recommend High Nic levels for this technique as Kinabaloo did? If so how high should it be? 8 & 11mg does nothing for me with this technique. The nose exhale is difficult to master for sure

Good question and..... I don't know the answer. You would just have to experiment with different strengths and see what works for you.

The nose exhale is really essential for nicotine absorption. I don't even know quite how to explain how its done. One thing to try is to take a very short draw on the PV and immediately exhale through the nose. With a bit of practice you will be able to exhale all the vapor through the nose without inhaling it into the lungs. The trick when you start is to take short draws so you can more easily manipulate the vapor. Relaxing also helps a lot.

A key to this is to not take the long draws common with people who inhale into the lungs. You won't be able to manipulate the vapor if you take in to much at a time. At least not at first.

You might want to watch some videos of pipe smokers to get a feel for it. Notice how they take short draws on the pipe. More like sipping as opposed to gulping it down. It may sting a bit at first when you start exhaling through the nose but that will get better as you get used to it.

 

[Nana2B]

Good question and..... I don't know the answer. You would just have to experiment with different strengths and see what works for you.

The nose exhale is really essential for nicotine absorption. I don't even know quite how to explain how its done. One thing to try is to take a very short draw on the PV and immediately exhale through the nose. With a bit of practice you will be able to exhale all the vapor through the nose without inhaling it into the lungs. The trick when you start is to take short draws so you can more easily manipulate the vapor. Relaxing also helps a lot.

A key to this is to not take the long draws common with people who inhale into the lungs. You won't be able to manipulate the vapor if you take in to much at a time. At least not at first.

You might want to watch some videos of pipe smokers to get a feel for it. Notice how they take short draws on the pipe. More like sipping as opposed to gulping it down. It may sting a bit at first when you start exhaling through the nose but that will get better as you get used to it.

Thanks Stubby I'll spend time on YouTube watching pipe smokers. I'll probabaly use 0mg nic until I get both the pipe technique & the nose exhale reasonably perfected & increase the nic after that. I have some great smelling fruity e-juices that I would love to use one's 18mg & the other is 12mg(both v4l). So that will be my goal-- to vape the fruits.
Thank you for the help

My mom has a coughing problem from vaping as well . No matter what she does she chokes on every pull and is turned off from vaping however she has no problem smoking analogs every 5min .

Exactly....so if we knew what to add to the e-liquid to control the coughing, as long as it wasn't cancer causing, we'd be able to quit Analogs...tell your mom to try 0mg nic. I have no problems with that & have been able to cut out a few analogs that were just smoked from habit or boredom. Any analog I don't smoke is a small victory to me.

 

[Stubby]

This is a good example of a pipe smoker using the nose exhale technic.

Ben Wade Canadian with a saddle bit - YouTube

 

[Nana2B]

Thanks Stubby that's a good one. He exhales pretty much all the smoke through his nose. I found some others that show How to smoke a pipe and but only 1 or 2 show the nose exhale so this is great. Thank you.

 

[Nana2B]

I'm starting to get a hack from ant liquid now. Maybe my flavoring is too strong too. I vape 12mg 50/50. Tried both VG only and PG only...same thing.

I found certain flavors make me cough even at 0nic especially chocolate. I've heard others complain that Vanilla did it too but I've not found that. Maybe try a lower nic level or a different vendor if all flavors do it to you..if you DIY you can adjust accordingly. I don't so I can't help you there. keep us posted any info is good info