Advancements in Vaping Technology...

[suprtrkr]

I'm kinda' digging the idea.
May not be practical...may be expensive...certainly is different. And having a mod with no button could be a lot of fun.

You couldn't use your patented Double Super Extra Fused Clapton Left Handed Zipper coils on it, unless it was a 900 watt mod or had a pre-heat function. But either of those would be easier to build than the pressure switch So what do I know? Maybe you guys are right...

 

[DergBerg]

You couldn't use your patented Double Super Extra Fused Clapton Left Handed Zipper coils on it, unless it was a 900 watt mod or had a pre-heat function. But either of those would be easier to build than the pressure switch So what do I know? Maybe you guys are right...

The harder you suck, the better it chuck!!

 

[Mooch]

You couldn't use your patented Double Super Extra Fused Clapton Left Handed Zipper coils on it, unless it was a 900 watt mod or had a pre-heat function. But either of those would be easier to build than the pressure switch So what do I know? Maybe you guys are right...

LOL...
Yea, would not be easy at all. And might be huge and expensive. But I thought the concept could still be fun.
But...dang-it...those left-handed coils were supposed to be a secret. Who told ya'?

 

[suprtrkr]

LOL...
Yea, would not be easy at all. And might be huge and expensive. But I thought the concept could still be fun.
But...dang-it...those left-handed coils were supposed to be a secret. Who told ya'?

I had a man at court side in your last competition...

 

[Mooch]

I had a man at court side in your last competition...

Awww, fudge...I thought my backwards baseball cap was going to be a great disguise!

 

[DergBerg]

Awww, fudge...I thought my backwards baseball cap was going to be a great disguise!

Plus all that squatting I did, and my big greesy palms!!! Damn!! Knew a glass top cap was not the best idea...

 

[suprtrkr]

But seriously, folks... it does make better sense on a hybrid mod, where the atty didn't come off. You would not then be limited to a cylindrical form factor, nor have to dedicate the center of your connection to electricity, nor yet build all your connections in a concentric manner. You could put things where they made sense to go, avoid some voltage loss, and build a mechanically stronger box/atty connection. If you fed make-up air through the base, directing it in separate streams to the bottom and side of each coil by "towers" on the base, you could build an atty that would work equally well as a cloud or flavor chaser, or selectably use any number of coils up to the maximum by adjusting air flow; and it wouldn't have to be gigantic as the air adjustments could be on the mod, not the atty. If your mod was metallic, you could cast or machine your atty base integral to the case. You couldn't break that with a sledgehammer.

And dumping the 510 for removable attys is still a great idea. I envision a cam-locked, keyed, bayonet type fitting. Taking a 22mm diameter atty as standard, you'd have at least a 16mm diameter contact patch to locate two electrical contacts, make-up air flow, squonk tube, pressure sensor feedback contacts, anything desired. Air and liquid tubes could use machined or investment cast tapered quick connects with o-ring seals to eliminate leaks and the need for a "spilled juice" well common on squonkers. Electrical contacts could use pogo pins for better contact. If the cam-lock ring could have a 22mm ID, the contact patch could be 18, maybe 19mm in diameter. And compated to a 510, it'd be he11a strong, offer better service life, easier to maintain and-- if keyed-- idiot proof comes for free.

Just a thought...

 

[Mooch]

But seriously, folks... it does make better sense on a hybrid mod, where the atty didn't come off. You would not then be limited to a cylindrical form factor, nor have to dedicate the center of your connection to electricity, nor yet build all your connections in a concentric manner. You could put things where they made sense to go, avoid some voltage loss, and build a mechanically stronger box/atty connection. If you fed make-up air through the base, directing it in separate streams to the bottom and side of each coil by "towers" on the base, you could build an atty that would work equally well as a cloud or flavor chaser, or selectably use any number of coils up to the maximum by adjusting air flow; and it wouldn't have to be gigantic as the air adjustments could be on the mod, not the atty. If your mod was metallic, you could cast or machine your atty base integral to the case. You couldn't break that with a sledgehammer.

And dumping the 510 for removable attys is still a great idea. I envision a cam-locked, keyed, bayonet type fitting. Taking a 22mm diameter atty as standard, you'd have at least a 16mm diameter contact patch to locate two electrical contacts, make-up air flow, squonk tube, pressure sensor feedback contacts, anything desired. Air and liquid tubes could use machined or investment cast tapered quick connects with o-ring seals to eliminate leaks and the need for a "spilled juice" well common on squonkers. Electrical contacts could use pogo pins for better contact. If the cam-lock ring could have a 22mm ID, the contact patch could be 18, maybe 19mm in diameter. And compated to a 510, it'd be he11a strong, offer better service life, easier to maintain and-- if keyed-- idiot proof comes for free.

Just a thought...

Interesting idea!
There are bayonet-lock circular connectors available in several sizes...including 22mm. I use them for hi-reliability applications where the product might experience severe abuse. A lot of these connectors are watertight too.

Some can take huge amounts of current and you could even leave one of the contact holes empty for tubing. The atty side of the connected pair probably wouldn't be directly adaptable but a new atty base that bayonet mounts could be machined. For the mod side of the connection you might be able to use an existing connector.

 

[suprtrkr]

Interesting idea!
There are bayonet-lock circular connectors available in several sizes...including 22mm. I use them for hi-reliability applications where the product might experience severe abuse. A lot of these connectors are watertight too.

Some can take huge amounts of current and you could even leave one of the contact holes empty for tubing. The atty side of the connected pair probably wouldn't be directly adaptable but a new atty base that bayonet mounts could be machined. For the mod side of the connection you might be able to use an existing connector.

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Precisely. I'm Mechanical, not Electrical or Electronic, so it was the mechanical strength of the connection vs. the 510 that first attracted me. And I got the idea from exactly that type of connector, which is both milspec and common of good field equipment.

 

[rurwin]

One idea I had a while ago was a swappable connection plate for the bottom of an atty/dripper. It connects the posts in parallel or series, or any other arrangement you want for the mad coil design you've come up with. It only needs to be a piece of high current PCB, although at high wattages maybe solid copper in a ceramic matrix makes more sense, and it need only add a couple of millimetres to the height of the atty. As a bonus you get to double-dip the punter's wallet for each plate. For quad-capable drippers you could sell at least four different ones.

 

[Mazinny]

I wonder what Role the coming Deeming may have in All This?

I think a lot of the bigger players may be waiting until the regulations are in place, before entering the market in a meaningful way. Larger, more technologically advanced corporations do not like uncertainty. Once the regs are in place ( hopefully a lot more in our favor than we fear ), i am hoping more technology companies will join the fray. Perhaps 3M with their Nextel technology or companies with infra-red technology for the heating of liquid or the big electronic software players for the mods etc ...

Unless the future is cig-a-likes ....

 

[Mooch]

I think a lot of the bigger players may be waiting until the regulations are in place, before entering the market in a meaningful way. Larger, more technologically advanced corporations do not like uncertainty. Once the regs are in place ( hopefully a lot more in our favor than we fear ), i am hoping more technology companies will join the fray. Perhaps 3M with their Nextel technology or companies with infra-red technology for the heating of liquid or the big electronic software players for the mods etc ...

Unless the future is cig-a-likes ....

Where do you see that ceramic fabric tech being used...around coils and/or as wicks?

 

[suprtrkr]

I have wondered why we can't have a coil sealed in a copper bar/plate that would use conduction to send the heat to the juice, with or without wick, depending on design...

edit: a float valve allowing juice into the vape chamber to sit on a hot copper plate would remove the need for wicks entirely. And that's one of the biggest coil failure sources.

 

[Mazinny]

Where do you see that ceramic fabric tech being used...around coils and/or as wicks?

Purpose built ceramic fibers for the wicks maybe !? I never tried the Nextel wicks so i don't know what the reason was for it not taking off. Performance or cost or producers not wanting their tech used in an unregulated industry, or a combo maybe. But if the market is big enough perhaps they would be able to do their due diligence re safety and build a better fiber.

Perhaps there will be a way to do away with wicks and coils altogether. Liquid accurately and variably measured and heated in a ceramic cup perhaps via infrared ? I am not a tech geek by any stretch but i am convinced if the market is large enough and stable enough, we will be laughing at todays tech, in 5 or 10 years.

 

[suprtrkr]

Purpose built ceramic fibers for the wicks maybe !? I never tried the Nextel wicks so i don't know what the reason was for it not taking off. Performance or cost or producers not wanting their tech used in an unregulated industry, or a combo maybe. But if the market is big enough perhaps they would be able to do their due diligence re safety and build a better fiber.

Perhaps there will be a way to do away with wicks and coils altogether. Liquid accurately and variably measured and heated in a ceramic cup perhaps via infrared ? I am not a tech geek by any stretch but i am convinced if the market is large enough and stable enough, we will be laughing at todays tech, in 5 or 10 years.

Hhhmmm... That's not a bad idea. But I am concerned about the transmission losses in IR heating. The Square Law of Radiated Power never takes a vacation, AFAIK. I think magnetic induction through a wave guide or conduction through food-grade copper is going to be less energy intensive.

 

[suprtrkr]

Day-yum, but this turned into an interesting thread...

 

[Mazinny]

Hhhmmm... That's not a bad idea. But I am concerned about the transmission losses in IR heating. The Square Law of Radiated Power never takes a vacation, AFAIK. I think magnetic induction through a wave guide or conduction through food-grade copper is going to be less energy intensive.

Like i said, i really don't know enough about the specifics to know what type of technology is more suitable for accurate and efficient heating of liquid, but it just has to be something other than cotton wicks and resistance coils, with the aid of air-flow and vacuum. It just seems so much like 19th century technology, what we have now !

 

[suprtrkr]

Like i said, i really don't know enough about the specifics to know what type of technology is more suitable for accurate and efficient heating of liquid, but it just has to be something other than cotton wicks and resistance coils, with the aid of air-flow and vacuum. It just seems so much like 19th century technology, what we have now !

In some things, the old ways are best. You can use, for example, a a variable resistance fluids sensor, a microprocessor, and a pump to maintain a liquid level in a tank. But a float valve works as well and much cheaper. Still, you are correct: improvements can be made, particularly in the field of precise temperature control. The induction coil is a brute force technique for heating. But the vaccum-over-pressure system common in holding the juice in tanks is not a bad idea for making use, as it does, of the natural forces of air pressure and gravity. Those are free, and pretty dependable. Re-inventing the wheel is not necessarily a good idea, is what I'm saying.

 

[Mooch]

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[suprtrkr]

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