Advice For Next Step?... VTR, Cloupor, Kayfun/Mini, Etc

[aldenf]

Hi Gang,

Happy 4th of July!!!

Been vaping for 6 weeks. Been analog free for 3 (after PAD for 25+ years). Would love your thoughts and advice on any of the below. I've done a lot of research in a short period of time. But still wonder if I'm on the right path...

I've collected a small assortment of basic gear in a short time:

1x 650 mAh Inno Ego Batt
1x 1300 mAh Elego Twist
1x 1300 mAh eGo VV3 Mega
1x eGo Charger

2x CE4
1x iClear 16
3x EVOD
2x EVOD Glass
1x Protank 2 w/ Variable Airflow Base

I've rebuilt all the BC heads with cotton & single microcoils. 2.0 Ohms seems to be the sweet spot for my current devices. The Kanger heads perform much better after being rebuilt. Unfortunately the Protank single coils do not fit in the DC clearomizers. I even picked up PT2 Mini bases to put on the EVOD Glass. Fail. Completely different design due to the nature of the DC heads. They don't seal on the chimney and don't feed correctly in the Mini base. I managed to fix the seal with a hand-cut silicone washer. But it seems like too much trouble. Am thinking about moving to all DC clearos and simply rebuilding with single cotton/microcoils. I like them in the EVOD Glass anyway...

Been having a hard time finding ejuice I really like. I have a few. Looking for more. But I'm new and haven't let anything steep more than a few days. Have an order from Mt. Baker on the way...


Looking at getting an RDA & RTA or 2.


Also looking for an APV that will get me through an entire day. I mostly only sleep at home lately and don't sit behind a desk all day. I don't like single button APVs. Native 510 & eGo threads are preferable. Trying not to spend more than a couple of months worth of analogs.

For $65, I'm leaning towards the iTaste VTR. I know it's heavy. But it's very pocketable with the nested clearo. At 5 Amps, it should perform well with just about anything reasonable I throw at it, .8 ohms and above. I am not interested in chasing clouds (yet).

Considered a Cloupor 30 for $70. A couple of the juices I like vape best between 5 & 6 W, which leaves DNA type devices out. I wish they were all VV and bucked below battery voltage...

Also considering a SS VAMO v5 as a backup/home vape for $30. The MVP 2 & Groove 2 were both on my radar but their limitations/design have mostly pushed them off the short list.

Along with the APV would go a couple of good Panasonic Hybrid, 10 Amp, high-drain 18650s with a Nitecore i4 charger. The Pany batts should be great for 5 Amp APVs.

Considering a Helios clone for an RDA. Looking at Kayfun type RTAs. The mini would be great for the VTR. Are there any other 19mm RTA choices? Full-sized Kayfun 2.1 clones or Russian 91% clones also looks interesting (and will fit better on the VAMO).

I'm finding pretty good prices at trusted US vendors. That makes me happy.

Am I missing anything? Does my thought process make sense?


Thanks!

~Alden

 

[dice57]

Well you can't go wrong with a Cloupor box mod. They will go down to 3.,6 volts.

Would Not bother with a 10 amp batt for any device, they just don't have enough poop to pop, pretty much worthless batts IMHO. Stick with a 30 amp and you can't go wrong.

Sure you may be happy and all at 5-6 watts currently, but once you start rba's, one usually jumps up their vape a bit. I am currently vaping my Russian at 40-72 watts, though when I first bought it I was only vaping at about 10 watts. Just saying, don't limit your self in new gear by the levels you are currently vaping at, get something that will allow you to grow in vape.

 

[realsis]

I agree the cloupor box mod Dna 30 gives as many options as you would want to have.! You can dial it in to your liking .right now fluid vapes has them in stock for 69 dollars. The second generation with Improved electronic and new 510 connector. They ship from california. I just got one in red. Couldn't pass it up! Great price and no waiting list. My hubby ordered his from a different place, he paid more and there is at least a one week wait time. If your interested grab one from fluid vapes it's a great deal

 

[Bunnykiller]

I do believe the Cloupor is made for dry herb application.... juice wont work in it...

nevermind... I was thinking of the "atomizer"...

 

[Necrotic]

Agreed with the above. The cloupor will be the best and will have the most breathing room when it comes to building coils. The Cloupor can handle anywhere from (and I think) 0.4 - 3.3 ohms. So that's a lot of breathing room. Yes it only goes from 7-30 watts but hey maybe you'll prefer one of your juices in an RDA at 15-20 watts. My buddy is getting one of the cloupor DNA30 devices hopefully tomorrow. Will let ya know how it works.

 

[v1k1ng1001]

I own a vamo and an mvp...The mvp2 is clearly the better, more versatile device.

 

[Warpigs]

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Once you go Silver Bullet you will never want anything else!

 

[joesquid]

Not sure why you discount the MVP? What limitation? I thought about a VTR but didn't like the limitation of toppers that would fit it. ie..no Kayfun. Was chomping at the bit for a DNA 30 til someone on here mentioned it was a great mod if your current mod doesn't provide enough power for you. Thought about that and realized I never turn my MVP past 9 watts. Am happily vaping a MVP and KFL +V2 now.

 

[JulesXsmokr]

six weeks in - Congratz!
don't rush in head first so fast, find some juices you like first...
tons of folks have found vape nirvana with ego's and bottom coil toppers. the device without the tasty jucies won't get you there.
just my humble observation. take it slow.. or else it'll empty your pockets.

 

[gsx678]

I have the VTR and LOVE LOVE LOVE it..Minus the stripped threads which turned it into a paperweight. Innokin will not respond to emails so now I have a bad taste in my mouth for innokin products. They say the new VTR's are not prone to stripped threads but I have no experience with the newer version. Also mine would not fire less than 1.2 ohms.

I also have.

SMOKTECH SID VV-VW Nice little device that works well, Only complaint is often while pushing the button my finger slips just enough to put it into menu mode and a non vape condition. no biggie just press the button better.

LAVATUBE V2 VV Very nice device that never misses a beat ZERO complaints. I think the ohm limit it 1.2.

I am very much over the round mods. Just do not like them since my VTR.
The VTR was awesome and felt perfect in my hand. The recessed tank was the best part about the mod for me. This made it fit in a pocket with ease and no worry of the tank. If they would make a DNA 30 VTR I would be all in.

Now I am looking at the Cloupor DNA 30 only because a lot of my coil builds end up just below the limits of the other devices I have.
I am not trying to vape .5 ohms or lower but .7-1 ohm would be nice.

I am not sure of the ohm limitations of the MVP but I would guess it will not go sub ohm.

For e liquid I use Tastyvapor

Hope this helps

 

[aldenf]

OK... This is frustrating. I understand the reason for not allowing noobs to post links. But when I am prevented from posting because of a "link" when there is NO link in the post and nothing is highlighted for me to revise, something is wrong. So much for artificial intelligence...

 

[aldenf]

Thanks guys, for all your thoughts. It is much appreciated.

My leaning towards the VTR is simple. I'm at work 10+ hours a day for the time being. My rig lives in my pocket when not being vaped. EVERYTHING besides the VTR puts the toppers in jeopardy when in my pocket. Besides, my APV/Topper is hitting the floor 2-3 times a day. The VTR is a 5 amp device capable of light sub-ohm duty. With the adapter, it will take any Clearo, RDA or RTA. 15 watts/5 amps should be plenty to get me started down the road of advanced vaping. Unlike any DNA-type device, it also works in VV, my mode of preference.

The MVP v2 is brilliant. My problems with it are: unprotected, top-mounted tanks; limited to 3 amps; wont' fire below 1.3 ohms; internal battery eventually making the device useless. These concerns may not be be relevant to some but are a deal-breaker for me for a main device.

In another 3 months we will see DNA type devices all over the place for $50-60. Heck, we can buy a Cana 30w Mod from China now for $54!

One of the things I do for a living is design & build custom electrical "things" for the theater, film & tv industries. I'd like to build my own box mod. What I really want is a VV (3-6v), 7 amp (through entire voltage range) device that outputs flat DC current (NO PWM!) with built in ohmmeter. (5v at 5amp into 1 ohm is 25 watts!) I'm currently investigating all USA designed (made?) chipsets capable of fitting my needs from companies like T.I. & GE. I think the problem is the chipset size to handle this load would severely restrict mobility. Hence everyone's unfiltered PWM output. But I continue to research.

If the Provari weren't limited to 3 amps and maxed at 5 amps (or 7!), I wouldn't be having this discussion. I'd just buy the Provari for $200 and be done with it; even though I think I like box mods best.

Even if I owned a DNA or sx200-350 device, the VTR would remain my daily workhorse because of my lifestyle at the moment. Anything else would be for the very rare occasion I get to sit and vape at home.

Maybe the answer is the VTR as the daily workhorse and an inexpensive 20-30w device for home use. I could make this happen for $150, including batteries & charger!

Thanks!

~Alden

 

[aldenf]

Really? It didn't like the "at" symbol. Geeesh...

 

[gsx678]

The VTR is awesome.
Just make sure you get one without the spinning connection.

 

[shuvool]

Not sure why you discount the MVP? What limitation? I thought about a VTR but didn't like the limitation of toppers that would fit it. ie..no Kayfun. Was chomping at the bit for a DNA 30 til someone on here mentioned it was a great mod if your current mod doesn't provide enough power for you. Thought about that and realized I never turn my MVP past 9 watts. Am happily vaping a MVP and KFL +V2 now.

The VTR does come with an adapter that takes up the space of the tank so a larger tank would stick up off the top of the mod. I'm using an Aspire Nautilus on my VTR. Dual 1.8 ohm coils at 15 watts produces decent clouds and a satisfying hit with no burnt/hot taste

 

[joey-w]

as far as juice goes i would go to giantvapes.com i love alloy blends juice but they have a ton of awesome premium juices that actually taste good

and apv's i love the dna's thats all you need and get a good rda like the zenith or tobh and youre smooth sailing my friend

 

[Completely Average]

Not to try to dissuade you from your choice, but, just to address a couple of things here....

EVERYTHING besides the VTR puts the toppers in jeopardy when in my pocket.

With the adapter, it will take any Clearo, RDA or RTA.

With the adapter the topper will be in the same position as a DNA30. If you're concerned about the position of the topper then you cannot use the adapter.

Unlike any DNA-type device, it also works in VV, my mode of preference.

My I ask why you prefer the less accurate, more fiddly VV?

DNA30 and their clones make adjustments in 0.1 watts. The smallest adjustment you can make on a VV device greater than 0.5 watt.

For example....

3.7V * 3.7V / 1ohm = 13.69 watts
3.6V * 3.6V / 1ohm = 12.96 watts

DNA30 type device gives you 6-7 settings within that single .1v change. It's more accurate and more flexible.



And as far as subohming on a VTR, it will NEVER power even a 1ohm coil properly.

You've got a 15 watt limit, and as the math above shows that means even with a 1ohm coil you can't push the voltage higher than 3.8V without hitting your wattage limit. Using a mech mod with a fresh 4.2V battery and the same 1ohm coil you'll pushing 17.64 watts. As for using that 6V setting... You'll never actually run it at 6V unless you're running a 2.4ohm or higher coil. With a 2.3ohm or lower coil you'll hit the wattage limit before you hit 6V. It may say 6V on the display, but it's not going to push more than 15 watts.

 

[choppersb]

I've been using a MVP v2 with Nautilus and it's been great, but similar to OP I've been interested in RDAs and RBAs so I bit the bullet and ordered a Clouper. I figure absolute worse case it's a nice project box for a genuine DNA 30 etc. This is probably a pretty specific thing to me, but I find the box shape and size of the MVP much better on my RSI plagued wrists than my old ego clone. Here's to hoping the bigger box plays well in that sense too.

 

[VBdev]

A couple of the juices I like vape best between 5 & 6 W, which leaves DNA type devices out. I wish they were all VV and bucked below battery voltage...

bucking is/was an important feature to me too but I am reconsidering now that I am into rebuildables. I still feel like I want it but not so sure. With the clearos getting up above 10 watts just didn't taste good. Dryer hits starting above 7 and getting bad at 10. Was wondering what all that power was for and thought 7 watts was the right place. Felt like it was a macho big cloud my watts are more that your watts contest I didn't care to compete in.

Well with rebuildables and drippers you can keep that wick wet even at higher power. Wow what a difference dense moist plentiful vape is. I'm getting good wicking action on my RTA with CC Rayon also Rayon in the dripper. On clearos the tiny heads with small amounts of silka are just struggling to keep up, up the wattage and dry hit. No it's not just a macho contest, with the right equipment it does improve the vape. On my aerotank and nautilus though, no point. But if/when you are rebulding your wattage reqs will change IMO

But why not be able to regulate down and up? This is still my gripe with the DNA and think the SX chip has the edge..give me buttons though. My Vamo's watching a mech from the sidelines. Solid battery rotation and the vape is awesome. Will have more VV/VW in the collection when the right one strikes my fancy, will have more mechs too.
HTH

 

[niczgreat]

Well you asked if you were missing anything. I think there is another durable alternative to consider.

The Reo Grand is pretty indestructible. Add to it a Reomizer 2 which is a metal RBA and you have a rugged setup.

Rebuild kit on the Reo Grande is $25.00. The initial investment is high, but when the parts start to wear you can gut the APV with a rebuild kit for $25.00. I have the tumbled aluminum, so no paint to chip. With a Mechanical very little to break down and the 6 ml juice tank should last all day.

Bottom feeding is like dripping, just from the bottom. So you get the flavor of dripping without the muss.